Yesim Nazlar: (4/13/2017 15:25) Welcome to the ALAC Leadership Team (ALT) Mid-Monthly Call on Thursday, 13 April 2017 at 17:30 UTC.
Glenn McKnight: (20:26) muted
Glenn McKnight: (20:27) i may ask for a phone in to my home line. but not now. Working on a proposal for
Glenn McKnight: (20:27) University of Amsterdam’s Institute for Information Law (IViR) announces the 5th IVIR Summer Course on Privacy Law and Policy.
Glenn McKnight: (20:27) July 3 to 7th
Glenn McKnight: (20:27) Copyright and Privacy main topic
Glenn McKnight: (20:28) Maureen line is fine but staff line is noisy
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (20:28) your audio was fine at, though Maureen
Glenn McKnight: (20:29) FYI
Glenn McKnight: (20:29) pictures of NARALO GA
Maureen Hilyard: (20:29) some of us have been awake for two meetings before this one - starting at 2am for me..
Glenn McKnight: (20:30) Maureen and others are real troopers
Maureen Hilyard: (20:30) I hope I don't fall asleep.. it is just as well its a holiday today so I can catch up later
Leon Sanchez: (20:30) Hello everyone
Glenn McKnight: (20:31) Hi Leon
Leon Sanchez: (20:31) I'm in the middle of my "vaporization/nebulization" (or however is called in English) treatment so I will be on mute most of the call
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (20:31) hola Léon yes, Maureen I agree
Leon Sanchez: (20:31) Hi Glenn! Congrats on the BoT election!
Leon Sanchez: (20:31) Hi Cheryl! :*
Maureen Hilyard: (20:31) Congrats Glenn - good on you. I didn't know
Yrjö Länsipuro: (20:32) Congratulations, Glenn!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (20:32) nebulizer
Leon Sanchez: (20:32) That's it Cheryl. Thanks!
Heidi Ullrich: (20:32) Hi All
Ariel Liang: (20:34) Transparency related Public Comment: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_9KXRAw&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=mrDeztziKLa7gZqGADzxcnHA3QXmXYsnChWYBR4NElI&m=4xCPw99HtVFunYWdn1Q3klpquQkBAgCgRO-8fcPGdyE&s=TrEU4JOt-4eO8otWNx6PMWBORZGCoZDZzy8xyEsrjUc&e=
Maureen Hilyard: (20:38) Keep nebulising Leon!
Leon Sanchez: (20:39) Thanks Maureen :-)
Yesim Nazlar: (20:44) @Maureen: you're echoing when others are speaking
Yesim Nazlar: (20:44) when your mic is active of course
Maureen Hilyard: (20:45) OK I won't speak when others are.. sorry
Ariel Liang: (20:46) CCT Review: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_-5F8PRAw&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=mrDeztziKLa7gZqGADzxcnHA3QXmXYsnChWYBR4NElI&m=4xCPw99HtVFunYWdn1Q3klpquQkBAgCgRO-8fcPGdyE&s=jifVJm7vD-jPqY1JbrJVLCvmolW0TivqJ7Oudx35tfk&e=
Yesim Nazlar: (20:46) thank you @Maureen
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (20:47) basically Andre the only issue is the removal of the term Mutual with reference to Intra AC/ SO or Inter Accountability... in other words the terminology used not so much the principal as currently outlined in the draft
Andrei Kolesnikov: (20:49) idns only
Maureen Hilyard: (20:49) @Alan The report was interesting even though lengthy
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (20:51) I was looking at the order as listed in Agenda, stupid me
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (20:52) sorry for any confusion Andrei
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (20:52) agree on ref points re FY18 budget
Ariel Liang: (20:52) I was doing the list mostly based on the order here: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_bwFO&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=mrDeztziKLa7gZqGADzxcnHA3QXmXYsnChWYBR4NElI&m=4xCPw99HtVFunYWdn1Q3klpquQkBAgCgRO-8fcPGdyE&s=dSwEizYNySPpbKog_wzDtRrR5OJpXBK5fT7oSHEZWF4&e= (sry it wasn't clear at the beginning)
Glenn McKnight: (20:52) Tijani says no alot
Maureen Hilyard: (20:52) The captioning program was mentioned
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (20:53) links don't work from the AC mobile app
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (20:54) so I read the screen,
Ariel Liang: (20:54) Board related public comment: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_OcnRAw&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=mrDeztziKLa7gZqGADzxcnHA3QXmXYsnChWYBR4NElI&m=4xCPw99HtVFunYWdn1Q3klpquQkBAgCgRO-8fcPGdyE&s=r1kOzHVtM8p8HXV44OjuATw63iTPSw45GPVSE9R13qw&e=
Ariel Liang: (20:54) @Cheryl - sent you the links via skype
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (20:55) and did not start reading at the last point
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (20:55) Re: At-Large Workspace: Competition, Consumer Trust and Consumer Choice Review Team Draft Report of Recommendations for New gTLDs I was on a business trip in the past week thus unable to focus on this, but I shall give it a good study, based on the ongoing work of the Domain Name Marketplace Health Index
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (20:56) at this hour Ariel I was not planning on booting up an economic
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (20:56) grrr economic should read extra tablet/ lappy but thx for the links
Ariel Liang: (20:57) no problem Cheryl - I was pondering what econimic mean lol
Maureen Hilyard: (20:58) That's how one gets volunteered
Maureen Hilyard: (20:59) Just what I was going to say
Glenn McKnight: (20:59) I can't stay due to other obligations
Glenn McKnight: (21:00) Picttures of NARALO event
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (21:01) well GRRRRR
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (21:11) lets hope sanity prevails
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (21:12) @Julie: will you let the ALAC's IDN working group know about the SSAC advice?
Ariel Liang: (21:13) @Julie - in case you need it - the IDN WG mailing list is idn-wg@atlarge-lists.icann.org
Maureen Hilyard: (21:20) For Council meetings, the ccNSO staff take brief notes and action items, except during important discussions where there is more detail
Heidi Ullrich: (21:21) @Tijani, many (majority) of agenda items are for discussion only. No decision
Maureen Hilyard: (21:22) @Olivier +1
Heidi Ullrich: (21:23) The GNSO experience that they spent more time agreeing to the final notes/minutes than on the call itself.
Maureen Hilyard: (21:25) But a high level summary of the discussion could be really helpful when reviewing a meeting..
Maureen Hilyard: (21:26) I also can't agree with OCL and Alan.. it has to be a staff member as with other sections who use staff to make their notes
Heidi Ullrich: (21:26) How/who would agree the final version of the notes?
Maureen Hilyard: (21:26) I also agree with OCL and ALAn
Maureen Hilyard: (21:27) I meant to start saying I can't agree wth Heidi.. but changed tack during my intervention.. sorry about that..
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (21:29) MINUTES OF Meeting: Gisella introduced the topic.GNSO Council has staff taking notes.Working Groups keep track of action items.SSAC does only keeps note of action items.Olivier outlined the discussion Heidi suggested that Action Items be carefully recorded, a responsibility of the Chair.Heidi suggested that volunteers be identified to act as rapporteurs in Not supported by Olivier and Tijani.Alan suggested that the variety of note taking in ICANN means we are unlikely to reach consensus in the current meeting and to revisit the issue again in the future.
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (21:29) That's the level of note-taking I was suggesting.
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (21:29) to be done by staff
Alan Greenberg: (21:33) Testing
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (21:33) it was 5 minutes ago
Gisella Gruber: (21:34) It will now be on all our ALT and ALAC calls!
Maureen Hilyard: (21:34) Good idea about the times being included
Maureen Hilyard: (21:35) But what I did say was that our actions and outputs are more important - but I also mentioned metrics and minutes
Maureen Hilyard: (21:36) +1 Andrei
Heidi Ullrich: (21:37) Credibility is related to legitimacy and authority. There are academic studies on this with case studies - including one on ICANN.
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (21:37) How can we take a non-credible Review report as a credible source of information saying we are not credible?
Andrei Kolesnikov: (21:38) :)
Maureen Hilyard: (21:38) Very deep OLivier :)
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (21:39) Some critics say that ICANN itself is not credible. Credibility is very subjective to the person making the judgement.
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (21:41) I'll remind everyone that the best way to avoid taking any note of advice one doesn't agree with, is to discredit the source of advice.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (21:41) communication is the key though communications and Outreach to the rest of the organization
Alan Greenberg: (21:42) My concern is setting reasonable expectations. If we can state what we belive is sufficient and publich it and have it accepted by the Board, then we are in a much stronger posiiton to respond to nay-sayers.
Maureen Hilyard: (21:42) ALAC met with the ccNSO
Maureen Hilyard: (21:44) and with the GAC
Andrei Kolesnikov: (21:45) we will try to do GEMS
Julie Hammer: (21:46) Hopefully it will be resoved before then,
Maureen Hilyard: (21:46) Hopefully..
Julie Hammer: (21:46) resolved
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (21:48) The policy forum is extremely short
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (21:48) so we really need to shrin our schedule
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (21:48) shrink
Heidi Ullrich: (21:49) For the Policy Forum, AFRALO will have their GA and likely an AFRALO/AfrICANN meeting plus a Regional leadership meeting.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (21:49) yawn
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (21:49) Totalitarian regime?
Heidi Ullrich: (21:50) There could be discussion at ICANN 59 in the Regional Leadership meeting on the issue of RALO meetings - with the suggestion that only the RALO in which the meeting is taking place (and perhaps the next region) hold f2f meetings
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (21:50) +1 Heidi
Heidi Ullrich: (21:51) Should we take an AI on that?
Maureen Hilyard: (21:52) @Heidi thankfully if the next meeting venue RALO gets a chance to have a f2f meeting as part of their preparation - APRALO will need it
Heidi Ullrich: (21:52) @Maureen, this is all up for discussion at the regional leadership meeting
Julie Hammer: (21:55) Apologies - I have an SSAC Meeting at the top of the hour and will need to drop off this call in a couple of minutes.
Yesim Nazlar: (21:55) thank you for your participation Julie!
Julie Hammer: (21:58) Have already said in chat that we hope it would be resolved by then.
Julie Hammer: (21:58) Sorry, must leave for SSAC Meeting now. Bye everyone.
Leon Sanchez: (21:59) sorry I got disconnected
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (21:59) bye I am in another ICANN call now as well
Maureen Hilyard: (21:59) +1 Tijani
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (22:00) will stay here as well though the bye was for Julie
Heidi Ullrich: (22:03) Schedule: 1 May 2017 - Announcement of call for nominations and Nominee's Statement.* 1 May – 12 May 2017 - Nomination period (nominations accepted for 10 working days). 19 May 2017 - Deadline for nomination acceptances 22 May - 26 May 2017 - Elections (If required, elections will begin no later than one week after the deadline for nomination acceptances and end no later than two weeks after that deadline). 2017 AGM [ ICANN 60 ] - Newly elected ALAC representative shall be seated on the ALAC at the ALAC Wrap Up Session during the 2017 AGM .
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (22:03) nope
Heidi Ullrich: (22:03) Thanks, All!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (22:03) bye
Leon Sanchez: (22:03) bye all
Leon Sanchez: (22:03) thnaks!
Yrjö Länsipuro: (22:03) Bye bye
Maureen Hilyard: (22:04) bye all
