Terri Agnew:Welcome to the EURALO Bylaws Taskforce call held on Wednesday, 27 April 2016 at 20:00 UTC
Terri Agnew:meeting page: https://community.icann.org/x/B0iAAw
Silvia Vivanco:Welcome Olivier, Wolf JJS and Roberto
Wolf Ludwig:Hello all
Roberto Gaetano:Hi Wolf, hi all
Silvia Vivanco:Welcome Mikhail
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:Hello All!
Silvia Vivanco:Hi Jean-Jacques
Oksana Prykhodko:Hello all
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Olivier, you have an eloquent chin.
Terri Agnew:Welcome Yuliya Morenets
Yuliya Morenets:Hello, good evening
Silvia Vivanco:but we have the new version of the by laws now on the wiki : https://community.icann.org/display/EURALO/Articles+of+Association
Terri Agnew:Brief reminder of Process - as described in Task Force on review and revision of the EURALO By-Laws: https://community.icann.org/x/iAZ1Aw
Roberto Gaetano:I was not on the previous call, sorry
Silvia Vivanco:Tasks are posted on the screen
Silvia Vivanco:Roberto we have transcripts and recordings of the call so you can review if you wish
Terri Agnew:EURALO Bylaws Taskforce Action items: https://community.icann.org/x/KT_AAw
Terri Agnew:EURALO By-Laws: https://community.icann.org/x/mzd-Ag
Terri Agnew:Welcome Matthieu Camus
Silvia Vivanco:4.6 A new European ALS will be created to "collect" unaffiliated individuals from the region. This ALS would be part of the existing EURALO structure and would need to fulfil the minimum ALS requirements according to the ALS formation framework (see http://www.atlarge.icann.org/en/framework.htm and also ICANN Bylaws http://www.icann.org/en/general/bylaws.htm#XI-2.4i). Once it is an integral part of the EURALO structure, this ALS would have the same rights and responsibilities as any other regional ALS.
Silvia Vivanco:article 4.6
Silvia Vivanco:see above
Oksana Prykhodko:could you p[lease call me again?
Terri Agnew:@Oksana, will do
Oksana Prykhodko:Thank you!
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:The Individual Users' Association has a website, on which the legal background is set out clearly, http://individualusers.org/about/
Terri Agnew:@Mikhail, we are unable to hear you. Would you like a dial out on the telephone?
Wolf Ludwig:Brief coclusion: If we would particularly mention the EURLO Ind. Assoc. in a revised Bylaw version -- besides article 4.6 -- it would strongly contradict the compromise we found in spring 2011!
Silvia Vivanco:Jean Jacques please speak up
Silvia Vivanco:or closer to your mic please
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:I can hear him fine
Wolf Ludwig:Roberto's points were *operational* only and not referred to the Bylaws!
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Olivier, I take note with satisfaction that closing down this Association is not an option.
Wolf Ludwig:There are no Bylaws changes needed, Jean-Jacques. For what reason?
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Olivier: yes, "has been created" should be the new wording.
Wolf Ludwig:"... has been created ..." would be the only necessaty.
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Wolf: agreed.
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Olivier: rather than "non geographical", I would suggest "not specific to one European country".
Wolf Ludwig:The geographical question is an issue for the EURALO Ind. bylaws but not "as a specification" for the EURALO Bylaws.
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Wolf (geo. question); agreed.
Wolf Ludwig:That's a practical suggestion for the EURALO Website -- fully agreed!
Wolf Ludwig:But it's an *operational* point, Roberto, with no relevance for Bylaws!
Wolf Ludwig:@Roberto: you never talk "HOW to organize a meeting (wherever) in the Bylaws -- it's just a practical or operational question.
Terri Agnew:@Wolf, we are unable to hear you, please check your mute
Roberto Gaetano:@Wolf - I agree, but I would like to be overly cautious, so that we are sure to be all on the same page
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Wolf, on the Individual Users' website, our Bylaws makes clear that membership is not limitied to any one European country, http://individualusers.org/files/Bylaws_EuroIndividuals_Association.pdf
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:and more specifically, "The Euro Individuals Association was created in December 2012 to offer a home and legal structure for all those individuals participating regularly at activities of ICANN’s European / regional At-Large Organization (EURALO). By the creation of its Association, individuals from all over Europe can gather and assume a voting right at EURALO’s annual General Assembly (GA), as stipulated in EURALO’s amended Bylaws from May 2011 in Belgrade."
Wolf Ludwig:That's what I said, Jean-Jacques, the Ind. Assoc. is a cross-European entity.
Wolf Ludwig:Many of our ALSes are no "legal entities" or associations in a strict sense!
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Mikhail, allow me to disagree on your use of the term "special". It is just one other ALS, with one specific aspect (non limited to one European country), but not "special status" or "privilege".
Yuliya Morenets:We can say any kind of help or contribution, in nature, etc, it's what you are saying Mikail practically, like contribution in nature
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:4.6 a. A new European ALS has been created to offer a home to unaffiliated individuals from the region. This ALS is part of the existing EURALO structure and needed to fulfil the minimum ALS requirements according to the ALS formation framework and ICANN Bylaws.
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Mikhail: again, the term "special" is misleading.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:b. This ALS has the same rights and responsibilities as any other regional ALS.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:c. This ALS is not specific to one European country and is hence a cross-European entity
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:d. Only one such ALS can be created
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:e. Information about this ALS needs to be displayed on the first page of the EURALO Web Site.
Wolf Ludwig:That's a reasonable basis -- except e!
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Olivier: agreed on all, except e.
Wolf Ludwig:That's a practical point -- not for the Bylaws (e) -- Otherwise ordinary ALSes may request the same right or highlightening on the website.
Roberto Gaetano:@Wolf - indeed
Wolf Ludwig:That sounds like a good compromise!
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Olivier, under b it would be useful to add that this ALS was certified (Staff: add date and reference).
Wolf Ludwig:Perhaps just mention it in brackets (...)
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Wolf: yes, in brackets.
Silvia Vivanco:@ JJS your suggestion is noted
Wolf Ludwig:Good point Olivier!
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Thanks Silvia.
Silvia Vivanco:@ Olivier when you would like a next call?
Silvia Vivanco:@ Mikhail I can send you all other RALOs regulations
Silvia Vivanco:okay next week
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@All: thank you for the positive work on the Individual Users' Association! ;-)
Mikhail Medrish:I have, @Silvia
Wolf Ludwig:We can try to follow your availabilities, Olivier
Silvia Vivanco:Okay Mikhail thank you
Matthieu Camus:thank you, good night!
Oksana Prykhodko:thank you all, bye