Joerg Schweiger:Hi, obviously you can't hear me
Renate De Wulf:sorry, no we cannot
Renate De Wulf:can you dial in through the adigo bridge
Joerg Schweiger:will
Bill Drake:more staff than community
Keith Drazek:mute phones please
David Maher (GNSO - RySG:Could you zoom in on the agenda to make it more legible. thnanks
Evan Leibovitch (At-Large):AAArgh. This has infuriated me from the start. Whoever is using the term "open source" to describe NMI has NO IDEA what "open source" means. This comes across as a gratuitous marketing term without real meaning. STOP IT.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:I've unsynced the agenda so you should be able to scroll through it
Greg Shatan (GNSO - CSG/IPC):It is a "warm and fuzzy" term that makes people feel better. (a/k/a "marketing").
Marilyn Cade:Sorry to be delayed in joining. I was also at the CSTD.
Bill Drake:the report has issues
Marilyn Cade:I note that GIPO was announced as moving forward..
Bill Drake:yup, did a call with them the other day, EC behind it it seems
Marilyn Cade:The Report has two parts. I think that the mapping was excellent to demonstrate some progress. The part that is subjective is different in my view.
Marilyn Cade:I am not sure I can be heard, so I will dial in.
Bill Drake:ICANN staff are responding for ICANN...can the community respond in parallel?
Marilyn Cade:As a member of the CCWG EC, from business, I can comment, as soon as I dial in.
Marilyn Cade:No, ICANN participated as a member of the Tech Community,but also ICANN was mentioned specifically.
Marilyn Cade:I will try tofind the dial in informatinon.
Renate De Wulf:ADIGO NUMBERS: http://www.adigo.com/icann/ ADIGO PARTICIPANT CODE: 21612
Renate De Wulf:Marilyn, if you wish Adigo to dial you in, please give me your number
Keith Drazek:please ask everyone to mute phones and computers
Marilyn Cade:I am on mute
Marilyn Cade:I am on line, but muted.
Bill Drake:Is Stephen Hawking speaking?
Keith Drazek:are others getting the choppy audio?
Marilyn Cade:but now, I cannot understand Oliver
Marilyn Cade:Yes, choppy, cannot understand
nigel hickson:Olivier - a problem did not get last stuff?
Bill Drake:dial back in Olivier
Keith Drazek:Olivier you need to dial back in.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:can you dial me out again?
Keith Drazek:everyone else appears to be ok
David Maher (GNSO - RySG):+1
Marilyn Cade:This is ICANN staff response, right, not ICANN community response. I appreciate seeing it, and I will check with the business reps to see if I can post our comments also as informational input.
David Maher (GNSO - RySG):Is none of the above an option?
Marilyn Cade:The overall issue is Internet Governance, but we might want to have a preliminary list also, it is probably not ITU PP, anymore, but ITU Internet related activities and resoultions
Keith Drazek:we're really having some technical issues today...
Marilyn Cade:Ididn
Marilyn Cade:I just disconnected, but will try mike on ipad now... and see if it works.
Marilyn Cade:WSIS +10 and CSTD do take some in depth focus. I am active on both, as is Nigel... perhaps we try to identify some experts per each topic...
Marilyn Cade:Bill,Avri, are both active in some of these spaces,as well.
Marilyn Cade:I second Evan's comments as ICANN needing to focus, but I also think that we need to understand what ICANN
Marilyn Cade:should be doing, but where is the community of ICANN in 'our' views, as first step.... Understanding the IG world has to be done from a core understanding first of ICANN, of ICANN's role in a larger ecosystem
Bill Drake:Sorry Olivier, very multitasked at the moment
Bill Drake:sorry which item are we on?
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:#4 - Discussion of themes of work for the CCWG-IG
Marilyn Cade:We did a good contribution to the NM as I recall, working as a CCWG IG, and holding a sort of town hall.
Marilyn Cade:I think that we should recall why we started this group.
Bill Drake:temperature of the room is [WCIT]*
Marilyn Cade:my mike does not seem to be working.
Renate De Wulf:please give me your phone number and Adigo will dial you in
Marilyn Cade:1 202 360 1196
Renate De Wulf:Marilyn, I passed it on to Adigo
Marilyn Cade:I think that we need to continue to be subject matter experts within this cCWG. but also ICANN might want to actually engage with the CCWG before launching forth. :-)
Evan Leibovitch (At-Large):+1 MC
Marilyn Cade:I am on the call but you cannot hear me, it seems.
Evan Leibovitch (At-Large):I just heard you enter the call.
Renate De Wulf:I just heard your name
Evan Leibovitch (At-Large):try again?
Bill Drake:if you define holiday as working 60 hour weeks, yes
nigel hickson:For PP-14 we did discuss prerparation with different Commnuity Groups
Bill Drake:yesterday I read the session description for a meeting I'm speaking at that described ICANN as the governor of the Internet....
Bill Drake:maybe defining the boundaries would also be a useful thing to do
Marilia Maciel:Seems like a good summary, Olivier.
Marilyn Cade:BUT the outputs of the ITU PP remain important... such as ITU Council working Group on WSIS and IPP..
Marilia Maciel:Sure. Happy to.
nigel hickson:@MC - yes and when we have the "open stakholder" meeting for ITU CWG we should ccordinate closely
Bill Drake:ITU Internet Party I'll be attending too
Bill Drake:ok
Marilyn Cade:Bill - you are joining the ITU Council WGs?
Evan Leibovitch (At-Large):"Governance SWOT" :-)
nigel hickson:Happy to help where can; UNESCO is covering many IG issues; happy to join a Call
Alex Dans:I'll be happy to work with you Marilyn!
Alex Dans:Yes! :)
Bill Drake:MC: yes
Marilyn Cade:My preference is that we organize and staff supports us.
Bill Drake:absolutely want to move away from Updates and Briefings
Bill Drake:Absolutely Nigel
Bill Drake:brief boot up introduction of topic and then open moderated discussion
Bill Drake:no more than 4 people "on stage" to T things up
Bill Drake:I don't care if it's two or four topics
Bill Drake:Again I'd de-emphasize pure 'updates'
nigel hickson:Re NMI agree with Bill; discussion not confronation; difficult to commit senior staff at this stage
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:ok Nigel - but the idea behind having two points of views was to generate dialogue. If everyone agrees with everyone then it's hard to conduct any kind of dialogue
Bill Drake:I think differing points of views will be stated and clash anyway
Bill Drake:don't need to elevate that dynamic at the start
Bill Drake:I am sold, two topics
Evan Leibovitch (At-Large):OK with me
Evan Leibovitch (At-Large):Good. In fact there are some who believe there is overlap between IGF and NMI :-)
Bill Drake:terrible
Bill Drake:maybe week of Jan. 5?
Bill Drake:doodle
Bill Drake:the next week a bunch of us are in DC for a meeting
Bill Drake:Noncontracted Parties House
Bill Drake:so NCSG and business
Evan Leibovitch (At-Large):Thanks, Oliviwer. Bye!
Bill Drake:thansk
