Gisella Gruber: (2/27/2018 20:48) Welcome to the Cross Community Committee on Accessibility Call on Tuesday 27 February 2018 at 21:30 UTC
Gisella Gruber: (20:49) Agenda: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_Nhu8B&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PqnmlD10aN3cxIHyiUf_hNf25P6Dsv7dJM6flBzRrBs&m=w3n3uNqLNd2OJI1Nx_71hEy83pEsfPYm81RFE4Zmk40&s=rSFHZG4oXeQhbiiAkfEV3BR5sYXtpv3r3d9u-kXHDkM&e=
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (21:29) Hey Everyone!
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (21:30) It is very late in Europe indeed. :)
judith hellerstein: (21:30) I cannot get the call feature to work correctly
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (21:30) I had some sound issues earlier - would be glad to do audiocheck
judith hellerstein: (21:30) Great got it fixed
judith hellerstein: (21:30) I think that Joly is going to come on the call
Alan Greenberg (ALAC Chair): (21:31) Dina, for At-Large calls, 11:30 is not late! ;-)
Gunela Astbrink: (21:31) Hi everyone
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (21:31) Alan, luckily RDS call kept me awake!
Heidi Ullrich 2: (21:32) Welcome, All.
Gunela Astbrink: (21:32) BTW, this is an usually good time for me in Australia :-)
judith hellerstein: (21:33) yes but it far too late for Muhammad Shabbir
judith hellerstein: (21:33) He is in Pakistan
Gunela Astbrink: (21:33) It's difficult to find a good time for everyone
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (21:34) :-)
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (21:35) If my sound is not working, I will use the chat - indeed, this will be a year of linux on the desktop.
judith hellerstein: (21:35) Can you unsynch the agenda
Alan Greenberg (ALAC Chair): (21:35) Sarah's surname mis-spelled in attendance list.
Gisella Gruber: (21:36) @ Alan - all corrected
judith hellerstein: (21:36) apologies from Muhammad Shabbir. he sent these to me
Gisella Gruber: (21:37) @ Dina - we can dial-out to you for this call
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (21:37) Thanks Judith Noted
Gisella Gruber: (21:37) @ Judith - noted thank you
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (21:37) Gisella, yes, let us do that!
Gisella Gruber: (21:37) Please private chat me your number and the operator will call you
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (21:37) Correct Alan
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (21:38) Alan, you wish for no review of last year's work s acknowledged and will not be brought up on this call.
Gisella Gruber: (21:38) We are dialling out to Dina
Gisella Gruber: (21:39) Dina has joined the audio bridge
judith hellerstein: (21:42) HI Gisella, Joly was trying to get in but has not been allowed
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (21:44) AC has been a bit difficult recently it seems
Gisella Gruber: (21:44) Joly McFie has joined the call
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (21:44) Welcome Jolly so sorry for the gremlis with the AC
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (21:44) and misspellings ;-)
judith hellerstein: (21:45) int he past we had a couple of other active people
judith hellerstein: (21:45) such as Glenn, Greg Shattan, Muhammad and many others
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (21:45) please do
judith hellerstein: (21:46) It was not a conscious decision as I was never told this
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (21:46) Yes, that was understood - now we might well have potential for more active participation.
judith hellerstein: (21:46) I have been a long time member and never rememebered it beign a choice of it
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (21:47) Yes, accessibility culture changed radically over years!
Gunela Astbrink: (21:47) I can't remember this decision. Is this in any transcripts?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (21:47) Alan please go back to Gunela next and check with Joly
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (21:48) and now Judith
judith hellerstein: (21:48) I agree there was never a decisions that i recall
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (21:48) Coordination on ICANN level no - cross-community collaboration faciliation and coordination of that effort, yes.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (21:48) eventually
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (21:48) do check with Joly
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (21:49) Yes, Alan, that is what I meant.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (21:49) and go to Judith
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (21:49) Yes, Gunella - that is how I understood it.
judith hellerstein: (21:50) I can also try and address it
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (21:51) please do so Judith
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (21:51) Engagement?
judith hellerstein: (21:51) HI dina, I am on the ccwwg and and was on the writing group to get a new name for it
judith hellerstein: (21:52) He is ISOC NY
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (21:52) You have attracted them, Alan - and now we would like to contribute.
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (21:52) There is not charter for this group?
judith hellerstein: (21:58) So is accessibility
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (21:59) I am glad we all support transparency.
judith hellerstein: (21:59) it is in the byelaws as awll and is a legal obligation
judith hellerstein: (22:00) we need to strive for universal design
judith hellerstein: (22:00) I agree with everythign that Gunella is talking about
judith hellerstein: (22:02) Yes that is call blogs about the success
judith hellerstein: (22:02) I would love to have this at the TTF .We talked about this for a long time but have not had a person to take this on
judith hellerstein: (22:04) @joly we need to bring this up in the TTF
judith hellerstein: (22:04) we may do this so let's talk off line about it
Joly MacFie: (22:06) Apologies foor distracting
judith hellerstein: (22:06) Muhammad Shabbit told me he would like the calls to be more active and the group to be more active
judith hellerstein: (22:07) He apologiezes that he could not be on the call but it was way past midnight
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (22:07) And with minimum beurocracy, as you said Alan - but following the rules
Joly MacFie: (22:07) Function would seem to be butt kicking.
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (22:07) Let's focus on future active work.
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (22:07) Joly, indeed.
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (22:08) Cheryl, you can do a lot at this point already - by engaging more actively.
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (22:10) We are looking backwards, which I was instructed against.
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (22:10) As I am not allowed to talk on the subject, please focus on future work.
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (22:11) That is a most polite request to you as Chair.
judith hellerstein: (22:11) Gunella is also a long term member
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (22:11) Ok, I see - from that perspective it was quite useful, thank you.
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (22:11) Please be civil.
judith hellerstein: (22:12) So is Joly
Gunela Astbrink: (22:12) No, I wasn't at that meeting
judith hellerstein: (22:13) I think we need to do a new survey as this one is very old
judith hellerstein: (22:17) I may not have been there or maybe it was that time when I got lost getting to the meeting in morocco
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (22:17) So, is it ok for the group to draft the survey asap? There hardly can be objection to survey for the members.
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (22:17) We have 33 members, 67 on the mailing list.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (22:18) Ohh that wiki BETA and draft comes back to bite us again
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (22:18) I wish that was never published!!!!!!
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (22:19) Why can't we keep it up to date? We are happy to help.
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (22:19) If given access to help with the list administration etc.
Heidi Ullrich 2: (22:19) This is the case for many of the WGs. However, staff continue to work on updating the lists with approval of the Chairs.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (22:19) your hearing it from 3 or 4 People Alan
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (22:19) Heidi, ok, great!
Heidi Ullrich 2: (22:22) There was agreement during ICANN 53 that this group would meet only f2f.
judith hellerstein: (22:22) Heidi I do not recall this
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (22:22) obviously
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (22:24) Yes, it also eases the burden of actively chairing the committee.
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (22:25) Let's be constructive, no sarcastic comments and hear each other out!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (22:25) Thank you for recognising the milestones again Gunela
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (22:27) Where was the sarcasm? Dina
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (22:28) Yes, gaining volunteers is to be appreciated and supported by all means possible
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (22:28) Alan, were any of my suggestions good?
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (22:28) I listed quite a lot of proposals.
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (22:29) Refreshing the membership is great, thank you!
judith hellerstein: (22:29) we will pass it on to our growing ISOC accessibility issues
judith hellerstein: (22:30) You know I am always trying to get captions for all video that is produed
judith hellerstein: (22:30) this captioning is required by law
judith hellerstein: (22:30) so it cannot be cut
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (22:30) More active engagement with Committee membership doesn't require budget.
judith hellerstein: (22:33) Yes and me for RTT and captioning
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (22:35) You can not call for disbandment and then not deal with that
judith hellerstein: (22:36) Can we change the time so it does not conflict with the CCWG Auction proceeds
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (22:36) Yes, I know :)
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (22:36) Of course not.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (22:37) It is withon the ALAC's jurisdiction to do so Alan but I see no benefit in doing so
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (22:37) Yes, but I have no mandate to act - ask and support the work being done.
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (22:37) Ok, Alan, let us proceed in that logical order.
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (22:37) It makes sense.
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (22:37) That is well said.
Gunela Astbrink: (22:38) @Alan, your proposal sounds reasonable
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (22:38) Ok, great!
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (22:38) I can mail my suggestions to the list.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (22:38) I don't beleive so either
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (22:39) Rememebr no decision will be taken at ICANN 61
judith hellerstein: (22:39) thanks
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (22:39) just a discussion of a way forwar
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (22:39) forwaed
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (22:39) Please define limited participation.
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (22:40) Ah! :)
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (22:40) heh
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (22:40) What about our GAC advisor?
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (22:40) Is it still relevant?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (22:40) and with todays turn out I fear for viability
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (22:40) yes
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (22:41) That is great, thanks!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (22:41) If we serve no purpose then we need to know if we are effective or not that can be analysed
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (22:42) That is exactly what I suggested.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (22:42) and some of us will always have influence as established thought leaders
Dina Solveig Jalkanen: (22:42) Many thanks, yes!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (22:42) BYE
Gunela Astbrink: (22:42) Thank you. Bye
Gisella Gruber: (22:42) Thank you all
