Gisella Gruber-White: (5/27/2014 07:29) Welcome to the ALAC Monthly call on Tuesday 27 May 2014 at 1400 UTC
Gisella Gruber-White: (07:31) Agenda: https://community.icann.org/x/AJThAg
Maureen Hilyard: (08:53) Hi Sunil from Fiji
sunil lal: (08:54) hello Maureen my closest neighbour
Maureen Hilyard: (08:54) :)
Holly Raiche: (08:55) Hi Siranush - long time no talk!
Jean-Jacques Subrenat: (08:56) Hello All!
Maureen Hilyard: (08:56) yes.. seems like only a few hours.. oh that's right.. it was!
Eduardo Diaz: (08:56) !Hola a todos!
Oksana Prykhodko: (08:56) Hi everyone!
Holly Raiche: (08:57) Hi Everyone
Murray McKercher: (08:59) bonjour tout le monde, en observant seulement aujourd'hui
Heidi Ullrich: (09:03) Hurray, a new language!
sandra hoferichter: (09:04) Hi all!
Leon Sanchez: (09:04) hello everyone!
Heidi Ullrich: (09:04) Action Items : https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/ALAC+Monthly+Teleconference+-+2014.04.29+-+Action+Items
Gisella Gruber-White: (09:08) Dev has joined the call
Gisella Gruber-White: (09:09) Alberto Soto has joined the call
Alberto Soto: (09:10) Hi all!
Hadja: (09:11) hello everyone
Heidi Ullrich: (09:15) Thanks to Nathalie for handling all the ALS applications!
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (09:17) Wow, 177
Leon Sanchez: (09:17) CROPP is fruitful @Dev ;-)
Gisella Gruber-White: (09:18) Avri Doria has joined the Adobe Connect
Siranush Vardanyan: (09:19) joined via adobe as well
Jean-Jacques Subrenat: (09:21) Hello, my Adobe Connect connection went off for about 20 minutes, but I'm back.
Gisella Gruber-White: (09:22) Luis Sergio Valle joined the Adobe Connect room
Gisella Gruber-White: (09:29) Wolf Ludwig has joined the Adobe Connect
Jean-Jacques Subrenat: (09:29) Question to All: in recent months (say 2 years), what were the cases of RALO not reaching a consensus on advice for ALSs?
Jean-Jacques Subrenat: (09:29) The most recent case was LACRALO, have there been other cases, RALOs?
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (09:30) for LACRALO, I would think several cases
Jean-Jacques Subrenat: (09:31) Isn't it the responsibility of a RALO Chair to arrive at a consensus? If he/she can't reach that, there's no reason/way the ALAC would act as a substitute to a RALO.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (09:34) RALOs usually reach a consensus but there have been some concerns recently, when the RALO did not reach consensus -- the ALAC needs to vote & sometimes there is pressure to act fast; when the vote is open
Gisella Gruber-White: (09:38) Evan has joined the audio bridge
Evan Leibovitch: (09:40) here too. sorry fopr the lateness
Gisella Gruber-White: (09:40) Matthew Rantanen has joined the Adobe Connect room
Alberto Soto: (09:41) The responsibility of the Chair of RALO, is trying to reach consensus. Further decides ALAC, not the RALO. Maybe we could put this in the process we are working. LACRALO has problems with ISOC Mexico; also with non-participation of IBDI Brazil and other ALS of Colombia
Leon Sanchez: (09:42) @Alberto what kind of problems are you facing with ISOC Mexico?
Alberto Soto: (09:42) Sorry, Isoc Venezuela
Evan Leibovitch: (09:42) Did I miss the vote on the columbian ALS application?
Jean-Jacques Subrenat: (09:42) @Alberto: well, the cases you mention are, IMHO, typically things that a RALO Chair should settle.
Evan Leibovitch: (09:43) sorry, venezuelan?
Leon Sanchez: (09:43) Thanks @Alberto
Murray McKercher: (09:43) Sorry I have no audio just now
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (09:43) ISOC venezuela was approved by online vote of the ALAC
Murray McKercher: (09:43) can you plesae move forward to nect and I will circle back Thanks
Evan Leibovitch: (09:43) Ah, OK I did not see the result
Alberto Soto: (09:44) Evan, There was a problem of participation, no certification
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (09:44) did I miss SSAC liaison
Jean-Jacques Subrenat: (09:44) @Dev Anand: yes, ALAC approved the ALS from Venezuela, but it's a pity the RALO Chair did not achieve consensus upstream of the ALAC.
Siranush Vardanyan: (09:44) APRALO monthly report for May has been posted today after our monthly call
Heidi Ullrich: (09:46) Adigo is dialing to Murray now
Heidi Ullrich: (09:47) Murray is on
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (09:48) @Jean-Jacques, indeed its a pity that there has been a lack of consensus of regional advice from LACRALO over the past few years
Julie Hammer: (09:50) Olivier, thank you for those comments. Much appreciated!
Heidi Ullrich: (09:51) PD page: https://community.icann.org/display/alacpolicydev/At-Large+Policy+Development+Page
Heidi Ullrich: (09:51) 10!
Heidi Ullrich: (09:52) See: https://www.icann.org/resources/newsletter/policy-update-2014-05-21-en#/9
Evan Leibovitch: (09:55) Actually, I think the issue (the retention waivers) may be a response to EU privacy regulations
Heidi Ullrich: (09:55) SSAC leadership - Patrick and Jim - are confirmed for Monday, 23 June 14:45-15:15 :)
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (09:56) excellent - thanks!
Holly Raiche: (09:59) @Alan -it won't be just after this call - but when I get up afterwards.
Evan Leibovitch: (09:59) My views on the strategic plans are well known -- they're a waste of paper and electrons. The openness of the language and ICANN staff's breadth of interpretation has rendered the strategic plan effectrively useless. A publ;ic relations document with no relation to reality. We are are aware of many instances in which ICANN has not followed its SP in the past with impunity.
Alan Greenberg: (10:00) @Holly. OK, I will be around.
Holly Raiche: (10:00) Thanks - will check with European colleagues
Julie Hammer: (10:02) Thanks for the confirmation of timing, Heidi. That's great!
Evan Leibovitch: (10:05) oh well. I did have something to add to that point on accountability.
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (10:05) I note that there is a report: "Supporting the Domain Name Industry in underserved regions" https://www.icann.org/public-comments/dns-underserved-2014-05-14-en out for comment
Evan Leibovitch: (10:06) Yes, Dev, there was a robust email discussion on this.
Evan Leibovitch: (10:07) Or was it a skype chat list discussion?
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (10:08) I recall the comments on the chat
Evan Leibovitch: (10:08) The issue is whether this is an issue for ICANN to engage in, to support the industry when it has in the opast not actually supported the growth of infrastructure (ie, TLDs) in developing countries.
Siranush Vardanyan: (10:09) sorry, need to leave now, will follow up with the transcript
Murray McKercher: (10:09) @evan is the "discission" taking place on the ICANN web site, skype chat or private email list?
Evan Leibovitch: (10:10) It's not recent, and I forget exactly where it was.
Alan Greenberg: (10:12) @JJS - that is essentially what I am saying.
Murray McKercher: (10:13) @evan It appears the link allows for the standard commenting process.
Murray McKercher: (10:13) ICANN Seeks Public Comment: Supporting the DNS Industry in Underserved Regions English [PDF, 601 KB] Français [PDF, 528 KB] Español [PDF, 471 KB] Русский [PDF, 676 KB] Português [PDF, 472 KB] 简体中文 [PDF, 522 KB] العربية [PDF, 599 KB]
Jean-Jacques Subrenat: (10:13) @Alan, yes I recognize that.
Evan Leibovitch: (10:14) I am perfectly happy to support Alan's comment at the ALAC level
Leon Sanchez: (10:15) I too support Alan's commet at the ALAC level
Jean-Jacques Subrenat: (10:15) @Alan: hear, hear!
Jean-Jacques Subrenat: (10:16) Sandra, very poor audio.
Jean-Jacques Subrenat: (10:16) Open the submarine hatch.
Allan Skuce: (10:17) May be speaker phone?
sandra hoferichter: (10:18) it is only with adobe connect
sandra hoferichter: (10:18) I shear it in an email
sandra hoferichter: (10:18) yes
sandra hoferichter: (10:19) I can hera very well no dial out needed for me
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (10:19) we cannot hear you Sandra - that's why the dial out
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (10:19) so you could speak :-)
Oksana Prykhodko: (10:19) At least reasonable days for departure for all volunteers - it was reat initiative in Canada with Niagara trip, and it's a pity that it did not become tradition
Jean-Jacques Subrenat: (10:19) @Evan: yes.
sandra hoferichter: (10:20) I found something in the AC room to select audio, maybe it is woking now
Leon Sanchez: (10:20) I agree with what Evan has said
sandra hoferichter: (10:20) Travel issues should be solved else where
Evan Leibovitch: (10:24) Oksana: it is not often that ICANN goes to a city that is home to an ALAC member, I was happy to do this because I had local knowledge.
Oksana Prykhodko: (10:24) Evan, thank you very much for your initiative!
Alan Greenberg: (10:24) Is there a way to put up multiple checkmarks and applause (with respect to CLO disdain on another peice of paper in a blue folder)
Evan Leibovitch: (10:25) @Sandra. There are two issues about travel... the low level mechanics, but also (and relevant here) the instructions and policies followed as a matter of volunteer treatment.
Evan Leibovitch: (10:26) (Olivier, the term "red cross" may be protected by intellectual property regimes... be careful)
Leon Sanchez: (10:26) And I would say it extends to other ends of treatment too
Evan Leibovitch: (10:29) I believe that it is possible to express Sandra's concerns in the statement without diminishing it.
Alan Greenberg: (10:29) I will do that.
Anthony Niiganii (mentee): (10:30) speaking of consensus, I recommend reading "The Technique of Consensus", by Richard H. Graff. It's a quick read and provides strategies to works towards consensus.
Tijani BEN JEMAA: (10:30) @ Evan, yes, absolutely
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (10:31) yes @evan there indeed should be a way to do that...
Heidi Ullrich: (10:31) Curation WG Worksapce: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Curation+Working+Group
Ariel Liang: (10:31) This is the wiki space for the Interim Curation WG: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Curation+Working+Group
Evan Leibovitch: (10:31) The group itself is very useful and valuable. It is, however, horribly and misleadingly named IMO. "Curation" suggests library or editing work. This is more accurately a "Social Media" group.
Ariel Liang: (10:31) This is the workflow for the key task of the Curation WG: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Social+Media+Curation+Workflow
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (10:31) @Anthony -- thanks for the tip. I'll check this out!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (10:32) this WG is an EXCELLENT initiative :-) :-) :-)
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (10:32) https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Social+Media+Curation+Workflow
Alan Greenberg: (10:32) How did the term "curation" come about?
Murray McKercher: (10:33) @Anthony excellent suggestion!
Evan Leibovitch: (10:33) If anything, tweets are about the LEAST curated forms of publicity I can think of!
Eduardo Diaz: (10:33) @evan: the curation is for the owner of the tweet account
Evan Leibovitch: (10:34) But "curation" assumed an editing or approval process.
Murray McKercher: (10:34) @evan, tweets can be curated while at the same time allowing open discussion on a global basis.
Eduardo Diaz: (10:35) @evan: Yes for the owner of the account
Eduardo Diaz: (10:35) That is what they are doing now. Curating the static content
Jean-Jacques Subrenat: (10:35) @Evan: yes about "curation".
Alan Greenberg: (10:35) Means we are setting up a museum
Tijani BEN JEMAA: (10:35) I agree with Evan
Heidi Ullrich: (10:36) Definitions of curation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curation
Anthony Niiganii (mentee): (10:36) I think adding "content" to Curation content would provide some additional clarity
Anthony Niiganii (mentee): (10:36) curation content
Wolf Ludwig: (10:36) "Curation" in a German context is rather museal and used for museums etc. ;-)
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (10:37) But if it leads to misunderstanding, certainly the name can be changed
Murray McKercher: (10:37) @ wolf good point, we should be aware of cultural context of our choice of words
Eduardo Diaz: (10:37) MAybe call it social media working group
Evan Leibovitch: (10:37) +1 @Eduardo
Wolf Ludwig: (10:38) +1 from my side
Anthony Niiganii (mentee): (10:38) or even digital curation
Murray McKercher: (10:38) +1
Alberto Soto: (10:39) +1 @Eduardo
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (10:43) Good suggestions for the naming of the Curation WG - definitely will be discussed on the call
Evan Leibovitch: (10:45) @Dev, I inderstand the original intent. But the PRIMARY goal of the group is to actually organize creation of social media content. The editing/selective-retweeting process, which could be called curation, is secondary.
Wolf Ludwig: (10:46) I am only on AC!
Gisella Gruber-White: (10:46) @ Wolf - would you like a dial-out?
Wolf Ludwig: (10:46) Go ahead, Olivier!
Wolf Ludwig: (10:47) I will comment via AC ...
Wolf Ludwig: (10:48) I made detailed assessments of their non-performance and set an deadline for last response until 31 May!
Wolf Ludwig: (10:48) There were NO responses so far -- and won't be!
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (10:49) I see that http://www.kepka.org/ looks active
Wolf Ludwig: (10:49) I didn't say they are not active but they NEVER responded to anything at EURALO!!!
Wolf Ludwig: (10:50) and over 7 years!
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (10:50) Very well
Anthony Niiganii (mentee): (10:53) From what I understand Stephen Soucy Alberta Community Network Association is retired and there appears to be no replacement for him.
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (10:55) I'll second
Leon Sanchez: (10:55) I second it
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (10:56) https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/Former+At-Large+Structures+Workspace
Heidi Ullrich: (10:58) Summit wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/als2/At-Large+Summit+II+Home
Eduardo Diaz: (10:58) atlas.icann.org
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (10:59) http://atlas.icann.org/
Heidi Ullrich: (10:59) Meetings pagaes: https://community.icann.org/display/als2/At-Large+London+Meeting+Agendas+Workspace+-+June+2014
Heidi Ullrich: (10:59) Fayre will be moved to Tuesday - 19:30-21:30
Alan Greenberg: (11:00) Revised Board compensation statement sent to public ALAC list.
Alan Greenberg: (11:00) I will let you know when the statement is formally posted.
Oksana Prykhodko: (11:00) Asfar as I know, second Ukrainian ALS did not receive answers from ICANN
Alberto Soto: (11:01) Tha LACRALO ALS that had not been contacted, already been alerted and they answered
Leon Sanchez: (11:01) We had issues with someone in LACRALO
Heidi Ullrich: (11:01) The agendas are being updated. We will send the agendas to be translated this Friday.
Leon Sanchez: (11:01) This person is being routed through Miami and does not have a valid visa for the US
Eduardo Diaz: (11:02) @Leon: ?
Leon Sanchez: (11:03) @Eduardo someone in LACRALO had issues with ICANN Travel because they're routing him through Miami and he does not have a valid visa to transit through the US. I just want to make sure that his problem is addressed
Eduardo Diaz: (11:04) Staff: Can yo help with the specifics indicated by Leon?
Leon Sanchez: (11:04) Thanks @Eduardo!
Heidi Ullrich: (11:05) @Leon, could you please send an email to staff with the details?
Leon Sanchez: (11:05) Yes. I will @Heidi
Heidi Ullrich: (11:05) Thanks!
Silvia Vivanco: (11:06) Yes, it was mentioned yesterday during the LACRALO call, its Antonio Medina. I asked him to send us the details
Silvia Vivanco: (11:06) apparently he needs to get a visa
Silvia Vivanco: (11:06) to transit the US
Alan Greenberg: (11:06) Or be routed differently
Silvia Vivanco: (11:07) correct Alan. Perhaps that is better, given the timing to get a US visa
Wolf Ludwig: (11:07) Why not directing him with IBERIA via Madrid?
Silvia Vivanco: (11:07) good idea, we need to see his routing, there are options, also via Amsterdam.
Heidi Ullrich: (11:08) Weather forecast for London in June: http://www.accuweather.com/en/gb/london/ec4a-2/june-weather/328328
Heidi Ullrich: (11:09) a bit of rain, a bit of sun...
Leon Sanchez: (11:09) I apologize for having to leave the call
Leon Sanchez: (11:09) Thanks to everyone
Leon Sanchez: (11:09) Have a great day!
Eduardo Diaz: (11:09) I can predict the weather for ATLAS II : 50% chance of rain (which nobody knows!)
Evan Leibovitch: (11:09) oops. hung up accidentally.
Alberto Soto: (11:10) very good!
MAtthew Rantanen: (11:11) How much is expensive?
Heidi Ullrich: (11:11) Approx. GBP 20
Heidi Ullrich: (11:11) it was a few years agao.
Heidi Ullrich: (11:11) Fayre schedule: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/ATLAS+II++Fayre+of+Opportunities+Event+and+Room+Details
MAtthew Rantanen: (11:11) yes, expensive
Gisella Gruber-White: (11:12) Heathrow Express: https://www.heathrowexpress.com/tickets-deals/prices-fares
Heidi Ullrich: (11:12) Pilot Mentoring program: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/Pilot+ICANN+Mentor+Program+Workspace+-+2014
Gisella Gruber-White: (11:13) Fatima - apology
Heidi Ullrich: (11:13) ATLAS II Mentoring program: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/ATLAS+II+Draft+Mentoring+Program
Evan Leibovitch: (11:14) Please check your air itineraries. Many ATLAS people will be coming into Heathrow Terminal *2*, which opens just one week before we arrive.
Murray McKercher: (11:14) @Gisella Thanks for that practical post on rail travel
Evan Leibovitch: (11:15) If you are coming in a star alliance airline (Lufthansa, Air Canada, Singapore, Air China, SAA, United) it will arrive in T2.
Evan Leibovitch: (11:15) I have no idea how to get from t2 to the heathrow express or Tube.
Heidi Ullrich: (11:15) Please note the ATLAS II Summit wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/als2/At-Large+Summit+II+Home
Heidi Ullrich: (11:16) @Evan, I'm sure there will be signs
Heidi Ullrich: (11:16) the tube is approxi. 1 hour into downtown
Heidi Ullrich: (11:16) with one change at least
Heidi Ullrich: (11:16) I believe
Evan Leibovitch: (11:16) Heathrow Express to The Hiltion metropole is pretty direct and one hour.
Evan Leibovitch: (11:17) Tube is about 1h20, with one change at Earls Court.
Alberto Soto: (11:17) What is the deadline for the survey?
Heidi Ullrich: (11:18) @evan, the heathrow express should be far faster than one hour
Heidi Ullrich: (11:18) @Alberto, it was last week
Alberto Soto: (11:18) Thanks
Evan Leibovitch: (11:19) Edgware Road Station is closest to the venue
Alberto Soto: (11:19) Thanks to all!
Alan Greenberg: (11:20) Heathrow Express: GBP 21 one way, 34 return.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (11:20) bye all than
MAtthew Rantanen: (11:20) Can someone post the link for the questionnaire about joining groups?
Anthony Niiganii (mentee): (11:20) Kinanaskomitinawa Ekosi everyone
Heidi Ullrich: (11:20) Link to survey on TG: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/NTLB7J8
Eduardo Diaz: (11:20) Adios a todos
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (11:20) thanks
Wolf Ludwig: (11:20) Bye to all!
Heidi Ullrich: (11:20) Welcome, Kathy!!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (11:20) hi Kathy welcome :-) :-) :-) :-)
Anthony Niiganii (mentee): (11:21) Welcome Kathy
Jean-Jacques Subrenat: (11:21) Thank you all, and goodbye!
Kathy Schnitt: (11:21) Hello All and thank you!
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (11:21) Welcome Kathy!
Alberto Soto: (11:21) Welcome Kathy!!!!
Oksana Prykhodko: (11:21) Thanks a lot to alina, excellent translation!
Murray McKercher: (11:21) Thank You All..excellent meeting! Well done Olivier and all staff!
Heidi Ullrich: (11:21) See you in London!!!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (11:22) bye all safe travels :-) :-) :-)
Gisella Gruber-White: (11:22) 24 days and counting...
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (11:22) Goodness! Huge thanks to the interpreters
Oksana Prykhodko: (11:22) Galina - Russian translator!
Julie Hammer: (11:22) Bye all!
sandra hoferichter: (11:22) By
Allan Skuce: (11:22) Bye.
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (11:22) Take care all
Heidi Ullrich: (11:27) bye!
