Julia Charvolen:Welcome to the BMSPC call on Thursday 27 February 2014 at 1730 UTC
Julia Charvolen:Agenda: https://community.icann.org/x/ExLRAg
Heidi Ullrich:Welcome!
Rudi Vansnick:do we have audio connect or should i dail in ?
Rudi Vansnick:ok thanks
Rudi Vansnick:i'm in
Rudi Vansnick:how many are we in this call ?
Julia Charvolen:6 for now
Oksana Prykhodko:Hi everyone!
Eduardo Diaz:¡Hola a todos!
Julia Charvolen:Dev Anand joined the Adobe Connect
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Hi, apologies had to sort out something at work.
Rudi Vansnick:but they know candidates on the nomcom list !
Maureen Hilyard:Clarification - So are we voting on the fact that Nom Com ALAC members can vot in this election
Maureen Hilyard:Also Nom Com replacement voters
Rudi Vansnick:that's much clearer
Maureen Hilyard:I don't thiink we were very clear on this Nom Comm issue last time
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:For the record, the ICANN NomCom has not started looking at the applications of people. They usually start after the end of the application period which is likely to be after the Singapore meeting
Heidi Ullrich:I believe the BCEC members can't vote.
Heidi Ullrich:NOT the BMPSC members
Rudi Vansnick:correct Heidi
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:correct
Heidi Ullrich:We can certainly have interpretation on any call
Maureen Hilyard:+1 Eduardo, selected questions and independent moderator
Oksana Prykhodko:+1
Rudi Vansnick:i agree with Eduardo
Rudi Vansnick:equality in presentation of candidates
Heidi Ullrich:2010 Briefing Call with Board Candidates: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/Community+Call+on+At-Large+Board+Director+Candidates+11.10+-+Teleconference
Heidi Ullrich:You will see the agenda was very controlled
Eduardo Diaz:@Heidi::very useful link!
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:It is important to note that some candidates do not use the WIKI
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:some of the candidates don't use the wiki ?
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:or do you mean At-Large ?
Heidi Ullrich:There are global times available - 18:00-22:00 UTC
Darlene Thompson:Sorry that I'm late.
Eduardo Diaz:I will say that we do it next week
Heidi Ullrich:@Dev, we can ask for a rapid turn-around with the transcripts
Maureen Hilyard:You are right Dev - with 5 candidates a phone call will have to be very structured - with a couple of key questions that they can respond to. Other questions can go onto the wiki which they can answer as well
Heidi Ullrich:There was a recording
Eduardo Diaz:Two hours starting at 20:00, Wednesday march 5
Maureen Hilyard:I think we assumed that all the candidates were wiki-savvy
Oksana Prykhodko:It semms to me that it's necessary to organize debates only after first round of voting
Heidi Ullrich:We could likely get a 24 hour turn around from Adigo on the transcript
Maureen Hilyard:Aer we just talking about the first round election ? because I think we can give a similar interaction session with a final statement from candidates for the electorate before the final election
Maureen Hilyard:In Singapore
Rudi Vansnick:the questions should contain a phrase saying tell us within XX minutes what your answer/opinion is
Maureen Hilyard:+1 Rudi
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:@Heidi over the weekend if the call with candidates is scheduled Fri 7 ?
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:The questions could be posted on wiki or sent via email
Oksana Prykhodko:debates after first round!
Rudi Vansnick:q&a first round, debate 2nd round !
Oksana Prykhodko:sorry, could you pls repeat
Maureen Hilyard:Q&A session for the first round? on a phone call?
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:When could we have a debate for 2nd round ?
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:There would be no time
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:There would be no time
Oksana Prykhodko:only Wiki for first round, debates before second round
Maureen Hilyard:Oksana we are voting on a Q&A session on a phone call
Maureen Hilyard:for the first round
Heidi Ullrich:@Dev, if the call was on Friday, the transcript could be back by Monday
Oksana Prykhodko:thank you< Maureen
Oksana Prykhodko:is it enough time?
Maureen Hilyard:We must have Questions that candidates can prepare for otherwise it isn't fair to all
Oksana Prykhodko:+1 Eduardo
Maureen Hilyard:Spontaneous questions will take too long
Rudi Vansnick:i was also confused : q&a is verbal not writtten !
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:I think realistically a sudden "live" question being presented during the call is difficult - spontaneous ? will take too long
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:as Maureen says
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:again 5 candidates
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:so 15 mins for each question
Maureen Hilyard:Two votes - (1) Q&A session for first round (2) prepared questions
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:2 prepared questions total for all candidates ?
Rudi Vansnick:prepared
Rudi Vansnick:as Dev mentions
Oksana Prykhodko:sorry
Rudi Vansnick:2 prepared and 2 not prepared
Oksana Prykhodko:who is speaking?
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Olivier
Oksana Prykhodko:Thank you
Maureen Hilyard:Then one prepared question and one unprepared - (2 of each might be too long
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:I agree with Maureen - one prepared - one unprepared
Maureen Hilyard:The unprepared one could come from the other questiosn that have been posed, and it can be a lucky dip for which question the candidate gets
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Thanks Heidi
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Yes
Julia Charvolen:We are calling Dev now
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:In the last selection process, the format of the call worked very well:https://community.icann.org/x/jw0t
Julia Charvolen:Dev has joined the phone bridge
Maureen Hilyard:this is a great reference, Olivier. We hadn't seen this before
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:that's why I am on the call ;-)
Maureen Hilyard:Of course :)
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:And this is the point re: RALO questions as was done in 2010 "Questions from the floor and with notice will be taken in alphabetical order by RALO" (by the first letter of each RALO)
Rudi Vansnick:what about accepting the previous rules
Heidi Ullrich:the link was put in earlier ;)
Maureen Hilyard:I like the format of the last election call.. it includes debate and Q&A
Heidi Ullrich:Thanks to Olivier for posting it again ;)
Oksana Prykhodko:I think we have to have doodle
Heidi Ullrich:A doodle for various times on the 6th?
Heidi Ullrich:we need to first confirm that all candidates are available on the 6th
Heidi Ullrich:and at what times
Oksana Prykhodko:+1 Heidi
Eduardo Diaz:20:00 sounds like one of those global times that Heidi mentioned
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:at one of the global times
Oksana Prykhodko:or 3 candidates with 5 voices)
Rudi Vansnick:is the goal to have a final slate of 3 ?
Maureen Hilyard:So we have a separate vote just for the tied candidates?
Heidi Ullrich:Yes, Maureen, that is my understanding
Rudi Vansnick:no flip the coin at that stage !
Maureen Hilyard:Would we not continue voting until we get the required number?
Rudi Vansnick:we need other criteria to solve that problem
Oksana Prykhodko:debate for tied candidates and revoting
Rudi Vansnick:@Dev : but what as Eduardo said all same votes
Heidi Ullrich:19.11 Voting Process19.11.1 All votes must be by secret ballot. Votes may be cast electronically, in person, telephonically or some combination thereof. For votes cast in person or telephonically, the services of a trusted third party will ensure the secrecy of the ballot. Proxies are allowed only in accordance with explicit BMSPC rules governing their use.19.11.2 If there is only one candidate on the Final Candidate List, that candidate will be acclaimed the winner.19.11.3 If there are more than three candidates on the Final Candidate List, the first vote of the electorate will use an accepted voting method that will allow the three most preferred candidates to be selected.19.11.4 When there are three candidates remaining, there will be a vote of the electorate. Should one candidate receive more than 50% of votes cast, that candidate will be declared the winner. If not, the candidate with the least votes will be removed. If there is a tie for last position, and if sufficient time remains, the BMSPC will run
Maureen Hilyard:The committee was against random voting
Oksana Prykhodko:dropped
Oksana Prykhodko:could you pls dial-out to me again?
Oksana Prykhodko:thank you!
Maureen Hilyard:so if there is a tied vote, we will hold another election only for those members who had tied votes
Rudi Vansnick:i will have to go in about 5 minutes ..
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Yes, I was thinking Instant Runoff Voting for the first round similiar to how ALAC votes for At-Large delegates to the Nomcom
Rudi Vansnick:votes valued ?
Rudi Vansnick:1 - 2 - 3 each voter has
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_voting
Maureen Hilyard:So Instant runoff voting involves ranking of each of the candidates?
Maureen Hilyard:each of the five candidates?
Maureen Hilyard:thanks Dev
Heidi Ullrich:Dev, this is what the ROPs say:
Heidi Ullrich:19.11.4 When there are three candidates remaining, there will be a vote of the electorate. Should one candidate receive more than 50% of votes cast, that candidate will be declared the winner. If not, the candidate with the least votes will be removed. If there is a tie for last position, and if sufficient time remains, the BMSPC will run the tied election over again in case voter positions have changed. This can be done just once in any given step of the process.
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Which is IRV
Rudi Vansnick:motion : first round : instant run off method
Maureen Hilyard:Don't we need to show 50% of the votes for teh final round?
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Correct - I retract that since 19.11.4 states it explicitly
Maureen Hilyard:Voting for ranking the candidates for the first round
Maureen Hilyard:voting in the second round will be by vote for a single vote - if candidates get the same votes, then there is another vote for the tied members?
Maureen Hilyard:Someone must win with more than 50% of the votes
Rudi Vansnick:50+1
Maureen Hilyard:more than 50% or can it be just 50%?
Rudi Vansnick:so the winner should have 11 votes
Rudi Vansnick:20 in total
Maureen Hilyard:19.11..4 says more than 50%
Heidi Ullrich:+1 Dev
Rudi Vansnick:and I have to go anyway ... in max 5 minutes, meeting outside
Maureen Hilyard:Second round on Sunday, wouldn't we need to vote again for all the 3 candidates if no-one has more than 50% of the votes
Maureen Hilyard:we keep voting (for one candidate) until one single candidate gets more than 50% of the votes
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:the first round is only to get three candidates since there are 5 candidates
Julia Charvolen:The ALAC leadership Team call scheduled for 1900 UTC will be on the same Adigo ID 1638
Julia Charvolen:If you wish to stay on the call
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:The 2nd round is as per 19.11.4 When there are three candidates remaining, there will be a vote of the electorate. Should one candidate receive more than 50% of votes cast, that candidate will be declared the winner. If not, the candidate with the least votes will be removed. If there is a tie for last position, and if sufficient time remains, the BMSPC will run the tied election over again in case voter positions have changed. This can be done just once in any given step of the process.
Maureen Hilyard:Tijani, are you saying that if the first two candidates get a tied vote then the vote will be repeated for those two candidates?
Eduardo Diaz:MAy be a flow chart will help
Roberto:Can we think of different options and discuss them in the list in the next 24h or 48h? I am under the impression that we might take a decision in the call without having thought through the options and counterindications
Heidi Ullrich:+1 Eduardo!
Rudi Vansnick:i'm very sorry but i can no longer stay on the call ...
Maureen Hilyard:Bye Rudi
Rudi Vansnick:Ok see you all in Singapore
