Attendees:
Sub-group Members: Alan Greenberg, Avri Doria, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, Christopher Wilkinson, Erich Schweighofer, Kavouss Arasteh, Sebastien Bachollet, Steve DelBianco, Sivasubramanian Muthusamy, Tom Dale. (10)
Staff: Bernard Turcotte, Lars Hoffman, Tristana Webster, Yvette Guigneaux.
Apologies: Herb Waye, Seun Ojedeji, Olga Cavalli, Matthew Shears, Giovanni Seppia, Farzaneh Badii, David McAuley, Rosalía Morales
** If your name is missing from attendance or apology, please send note to acct-staff@icann.org **
Transcript
Recording
Agenda
0. Call Administration (2- 5 min CLO)
1. Review of any AI's from call #11 on October 20th see https://community.icann.org/x/mJDDAw[community.icann.org] (5 min CLO)
2. Update on any Sub Team Activities since our last call (5 min SDB/FB)
3. CONTINUATION of Agenda from meeting #11
* Next Steps in our Work Plan (Total 25 - 30 min CLO/SDB/FB)
- when and how to approach the matter of our mandate to discuss the Mutual
Accountability Framework (as proposed for consideration in WS1) and any other
Mutual Accountability Matters (5-10 min CLO)
- basic foundations for our required 'Enhancing SOAC Accountability
Workplan' (10 min FB/SDB)
- our part in 2017 Public Comment documentation (10 min FB/SDB)
4. Next Meeting and future Meeting schedule (5 Min CLO/Staff)
5. AOB and recap of any AI's (5 min CLO)
Notes
(including relevant parts of chat):
1. Review of any AI's from call #11 on October 20th see https://community.icann.org/x/mJDDAw[community.icann.org] (5 min CLO)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Farzaneh Badi excuse. No one on audio only. Any changes to agenda (none and no other AOB).
2. Update on any Sub Team Activities since our last call (5 min SDB/FB)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Action items since last call. Call for volunteers for the two teams - methodology to review survey results. Giovani Sepia has accepted to participate. Also ask Thomas Rickert for volunteers from RSSAC and SSAC. Proposed approach should be reviewed at the mid-December meeting. Second recommendation is to move this group from a track 2 to a track 1 timeline. We will confirm this to the co-chairs on the plenary. Second drafting team to look at reframing of the existing report material and ongoing reporting - still looking for more volunteers.
Steve DelBianco: Repackaging of the progress report to the plenary in Hyderabad. Looks at how to present conclusions and recommendations. Any conclusions included are simply place holders which can be revised based on my expectations. (review of document).
Alan Greenberg: question on global public interest.
Kavous Arasteh: several issues are being discussed simultaneously. IRP applicable to SOAC?
Steve DelBianco: These words have been with us since the beginning. We cannot say what Applicable means until we get to the third track.
Kavous Arasteh: Concept of mutual accountability is only conceptual need to turn it into something practical.
Avri Doria: question about internal accoutability notion. How does this internal responsibility include outreach etc.
Steve DelBianco: We are waiting on each SOAC to answer the survey on this to see what is being done.
Avri Doria: If they are internally responsible how can they be held responsible for outreach?
Steve DelBianco: There are some questions on this. This will be highly specific to each SOAC.
Avri Doria: still a pending question regarding this type of accountability which would have to be more than just internal.
Sebastien Bachollet: We should balance the question of mutual accountability - we need to be accountable to our neighbors. We need to have this discussion. Internal vs External can be a complex issue for some SOACs.
Steve DelBianco: (discussion of ccNSO vs gNSO).
Avri Doria: the same linguistic problem that this group has with mutual accountability came up in staff accountability discussions. also felt that the word accountability was too
Kavous Arasteh: who is accountable to who and break down per SOAC. Hierarchy of accountability is important to understand.
Steve DelBianco: This is covered in the questions we have sent to the SOACs.
Kavous Arasteh: On Accountability roundtable need to consider recent email exchange. How do we implement this.
Steve DelBianco [CSG - GNSO]: Kavouss -- MAR is as-described by the email where our expert (Willie Currie) introduced the concept
Avri Doria: i favor a transparent process for MAR
Avri Doria: i think giving this up would be a loss
Christopher Wilkinson: (muffled audio) would be difficult to institutionalize/formalize this. Finally, we need to keep things simple. Overall agree with SDB.
Steve DelBianco [CSG - GNSO]: @Avri -- Sebastien seems to agree. I would encourage you two draft an alternative recommendation, please !
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: On MAR let us leave it as it is in the text now (SDB text recommending not to endorse implementation of MAR). Encourage people to join this drafting team and put in alternatives. Let us leave this as an open option until early in the new year. Separately is there a place for a separate document for implementing recommendations? Please think about this.
Steve DelBianco [CSG - GNSO]: regarding transparency, please note that one of our questions to each AC/SO is "Transparency mechanisms for your AC/SO deliberations, decisions, and elections"
Avri Doria: i think the recommendation should be bracketed.
Steve DelBianco [CSG - GNSO]: Avri -- in brackets, it says [preliminary recommendation]
3. CONTINUATION of Agenda from meeting #11
(folded into previous discussions)
4. Next Meeting and future Meeting schedule
- 17 November 1900
- 23 November 0500 (note this is a Wednesday meeting to allow for US thanksgiving)
- 1 December 1300 (back to Thursday meetings going forward)
- 8 December 1900
- 15 December 0500
- 22 December - no meeting
- 29 December - no meeting - no staff available
- 5 January - no meeting - difficult to get participants before the next Monday
- 12 January 1300
- 19 January 0500
- 26 January 1300
- 2 February 1900
- 9 February 0500
- 16 February 1300
- 23 February 1900
- 2 March 0500
- 9 March 1300
- 16 March 1900
- 23 March 0500
- 30 March 1300
5. AOB and recap of any AI's (5 min CLO)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: No other business. Reminder that this group only has 12 meetings prior to ICANN 58 and there is much work to be done. Need participants to work on documents and positions.Adjourned.
Documents Presented
SOAC Accountability Report [Draft v1].pdf
Chat Transcript
Yvette Guigneaux: Welcome all to the WS2 - SO/AC Subgroup Meeting #12 | Wednesday, 23 November @ 05: 00 UTC!
Kavouss Arasteh: Hi Yevette
Yvette Guigneaux: Hi Kavouss - can you hear me?
Yvette Guigneaux: Calling you Kavouss
Yvette Guigneaux: Kavouss - checking audio for you but didn't get a response
Yvette Guigneaux: can you hear me?
Yvette Guigneaux: just want to make sure your audio is working before the call starts
Yvette Guigneaux: Kavouss?
Bernard Turcotte: hello all
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): Hi everyone... 3 mins to start time
Kavouss Arasteh: steve
Kavouss Arasteh: GM
Kavouss Arasteh: PLS SPEAK SLOWLY ALL THE TIME
Yvette Guigneaux: Sync enabled if needed
Yvette Guigneaux: that should have said scrolling enabled
Tom Dale (ACIG GAC Secretariat): Thanks Yvette.
Sebastien (ALAC): Seams not to be in my mail box : (
Bernard Turcotte: Steve had to send it to me directly
Sebastien (ALAC): OK thanks
Yvette Guigneaux: doing that now
Bernard Turcotte: have sent to Seb
Yvette Guigneaux: Sebastien - your doc is in skype now if you need it
Yvette Guigneaux: will email as well
Sebastien (ALAC): Thanks
Yvette Guigneaux: Draft report emailed to all
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): thank you Yvette
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): Correct STeve David is able to join us next week and we trust Sebastien and Herb will be involved with this discussion next week as well re IRP
Kavouss Arasteh: What we mean by external
Kavouss Arasteh: external to totally outside SO/AC?
Steve DelBianco [CSG - GNSO]: yes, Kavouss
Steve DelBianco [CSG - GNSO]: Mutual Accountability Roundtable is on the next page, Sebastien. We'll get to ti.
avri doria: the same linguistic problem that this group has with mutal accountabilty came up in staff accountabilty doscissions. also felt that the word accountabilty was too strong, and that it was more of a notion of mutual collegiality.
Bernard Turcotte: 30 minute mark
Steve DelBianco [CSG - GNSO]: @Kavouss -- that is indeed our first question to each SO/AC
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): noted Benie were on track i Ageda item 3 about to move to MAR
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): Need to moe onto the next section Steve...
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): moe - move
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): : -)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): You can take up to 10 mn on this Steve but lesss is also good ;-)
Steve DelBianco [CSG - GNSO]: Kavouss -- MAR is as-described by the email where our expert (Willie Currie) introduced the concept
avri doria: i favor a transparent process for MAR
Kavouss Arasteh: We may say
Kavouss Arasteh: our understanding of the term is
Kavouss Arasteh: and provide our understanding
Steve DelBianco [CSG - GNSO]: Kavouss, the recommendation says "as described above"
avri doria: i think giving this up would be a loss
Kavouss Arasteh: we do not want to give up that all
Steve DelBianco [CSG - GNSO]: @Avri -- Sebastien seems to agree. I would encourage you to draft an alternative recommendation, please !
Yvette Guigneaux: Christopher - if possible please back up slightly from your microphone - audio is muffled otherwise
Bernard Turcotte: please mute if not speaking
Bernard Turcotte: 15 minutes left
avri doria: and we might have a split recommendation.
avri doria: i.e. bring the question to the the full group.
Yvette Guigneaux: Christopher - my apologies but we're getting background noise on your line so it was muted
Yvette Guigneaux: if you wish to speak i can unmute you in a heartbeat- no worries there
Yvette Guigneaux: just wanted you to know
avri doria: is the doc on drive anywhere?
Steve DelBianco [CSG - GNSO]: regarding transparency, please note that one of our questions to each AC/SO is "Transparency mechanisms for your AC/SO deliberations, decisions, and elections"
avri doria: i think the recommendation should be bracketed.
Steve DelBianco [CSG - GNSO]: Avri -- in brackets, it says [preliminary recommendation]
Steve DelBianco [CSG - GNSO]: I go with 3rd option, Cheryl
Bernard Turcotte: bye all
Kavouss Arasteh: Bye to all
Sivasubramanian M 2: bye
Erich Schweighofer: Servus from Vienna
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): Thanks everyone Bye for now...
