Members: Alan Greenberg, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, Finn Petersen, Jorge Villa, Julie Hammer, Kavouss Arasteh, Mathieu Weill, Michael Abejuela, Olga Cavalli, Robin Gross, Rosalia Morales, Sebastien Bachollet, Tijani Ben Jemaa (13)
Participants: Aarti Bhavana, Alberto Soto, Andreea Brambilla, Avri Doria, Barrack Otieno, Chris Wilson, Christopher Wilkinson, David McAuley, Edward Morris, Farzaneh Badii, Greg Shatan, Herb Waye, Jeff Neuman, Jorge Cancio, Julf Helsingius, Keith Drazek, Khaled Koubaa, Lori Schulman, Mark Carvell, Mary Uduma, Michael Karanicolas, Niels ten Oever, Phil Marano, Sean Ojedeji, Stephen Deerhake, Tatiana Tropina, Tom Dale, Wale Bakare (28)
Observers/Guests: Brian Winterfeldt, Fabien Betremieux (2)
Staff: Bernard Turcotte, Berry Cobb, Brenda Brewer, Elizabeth Andrews, Julia Charvolen, Karen Mulberry, Laena Rahim, Nathalie Vergnolle, Patrick Dodson, Yvette Guigneaux (10)
Apologies: Leon Sanchez, Jordan Carter, Thomas Rickert
** If your name is missing from attendance or apology, please send note to acct-staff@icann.org **
Transcript
Recording
Agenda
1. Introduction, update to SOIs, reminder on standards of behavior
2. Review of Agenda
3. Administration
• Review of action items from previous meeting
• Update on ATRT3
• Travel funding for ICANN58
4. Legal Committee Update
• There are no pending requests.
5. Updates/Presentation from sub-groups
• Good Faith Guideline – Second Reading
6. Review agenda for Face to Face meeting
7. Review of Schedule/Timeline
8. Next Plenaries
9. AOB
Adjournment
Notes
Notes (including relevant portions of the chat):
31 participants at start of call
1. Introduction, update to SOIs, reminder on standards of behavior
Mathieu Weill - Keith Drazek audio only. No updates to SOIs. Will be the only co-chair on this call.
2. Review of Agenda
Mathieu Weill: Any changes? (none)
3. Administration
• Review of action items from previous meeting
Bernard Turcotte - Review of Action Items.
• Update on ATRT3
Bernard Turcotte - gNSO has considered but not concluded. GAC should give a response by end of month or by Copenhagen.
• Travel funding for ICANN59
Bernard Turcotte - Reminder application period is open and will close after Copenhagen on 19 March- Please apply early if you intend to apply. Decisions will be made the week of 20 March to meet ICANN Travel requirements.
4. Legal Committee Update
• There are no pending requests.
5. Updates/Presentation from sub-groups
• Good Faith Guideline – Second Reading
Lori Schulman - (recap of recommendations).
Mathieu Weill - Any comments or questions on these recommendations? (none). Any objections to adopting these recommendations for the second reading and sending these to public comment (none - full consensus).
Decision: Good Faith recommendations approved for public comment.
Action Item - Staff to prepare public comment for Good Faith Recommendations.
Action item - Staff to work with the groups that have active consultations to have a standard set of slides for the co-chairs to support these during Copenhagen.
6. Review agenda for Face to Face meeting
Mathieu Weill - Please note that we have reached out to the ICANN CEO to come and exchange with us again at Copenhagen. Hope we can get one of the StaffAcct documents ready. Diversity should have a questionnaire ready for consideration.
Niels ten Oever: There is a chance the HR group will have smth ready for 1st reading by March 7
David McAuley - Request brief time in Copenhagen for an update to discuss the upcoming tasks such as creating the panel. Also to remind people we are a work in progress. Would request 10 minutes overall – (MW) will include an update on public comments - will take longer than 10'.
Sebastien Bachollet - 10' slot for each sub-group could be good. Re Complaints Office – from our discussions there is a need for a place to put certain things which should not go to the Ombuds office.
avri doria: and the community will really need to decide whether this new function is credible before putting too many extra functions in it.
Robin Gross [GNSO NCSG]: What if there is a problem with the complaints office? What is the accountability mechanism for the new complaints office?
Lori Schulman: You could say that about compliance generally.
Robin Gross [GNSO NCSG]: It seems we have a conflict of interest with legal overseeing complaints office because legal's fiduciary duty is to protect the corporation. So that is in conflict with objectivity and neutrality, which is a requirement for an appropriate complaints office.
Lori Schulman: I agree. Maybe smarter to put complaints under CFO.
Edward Morris: +1 Robin.
Action Item: Staff to reach out to rapporteurs to establish a draft agenda for Copenhagen.
7. Review of Schedule/Timeline
Kavouss Arasteh - Should ask rapporteurs to not repeat decisions that have been completed. Similarly this group has agreed on the timeline for IRP so this should not be done again. Similarly for Ruggie principles in Human Rights. There are budget limitations and we cannot keep repeating to get thing perfect.
Mathieu Weill - good point KA but we need a stable consensus and our rules are mentioned in our charter and we have to be careful to follow these.
Avri Doria - Beg to differ with KA on this issue. We use the two readings rules but we need consensus. We made it a condition at the beginning that it takes multiple passes, and until we have comments from the community we do not have consensus. We try to cover each subject to the best of our abelites.
Tatiana Tropina: Agree Avri - with every word.
Lori Schulman: Support Avri's explanation
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): and most of us agree nothing is ever decided in or at s single call
David McAuley (RySG): Yes, agree, @CLO
Mathieu Weill - the only rule we have is the charter and I see support for your point in the chat.
Kavouss Arasteh - Disagree with those views.
Mathieu Weill - want to say the co-chairs all support the rapporteurs and can assist if there are issues they need help with.
Bernard Turcotte – (Presentation of slides)
Mathieu Weill: There is a very high probability that we will need to go into FY18 to complete all the work. As such we would like your inputs. Especially to understand how we need to close our work.
Mark Carvell UK GAC rep: This extension will impact on ATRT3 timeline presumably.
Kavouss Arasteh - is this a discussion or a decision? we need a real document about this topic with the advantages and disadvantages. Then we can consider it properly.
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): in the end you need a chartering orgs approval - and that is easier if there is a package
Robin Gross [GNSO NCSG]: Agree, one by one.
Niels ten Oever: So at least the people who are done are liberated from the process and can focus on other work.
Mark Carvell UK GAC rep: Agree with Jorge: prefer single package approach and there may be intersects between topics too presumably.
Sebastien Bachollet - we need one final report that has all the recommendations in one document. Will make it simpler to go to CO and Board approval.
Mathieu Weill - note in the chat support for separate submissions.
Robin Gross [GNSO NCSG]: It will be difficult for SGs to write comments on all issues at once. Better to focus.
David McAuley: Strongly support for one final public consultation at the end because of the potential interactions between the groups.
Kavouss Arasteh 2: Mathieu ,not exactly
Lori Schulman: Agree with David. I think joining the topics makes sense with one consultation.
Robin Gross [GNSO NCSG]: One document will be put out either way. It is just a matter of approving them in a focused matter.
Greg Shatan: i don't think every topic intersects with every other one. We can look for those that are not cross-dependent.
Robin Gross [GNSO NCSG]: Agree, Greg.
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): good points, David
Mark Carvell UK GAC rep: Agree with David.
Tatiana Tropina: Agree with Greg
Cheryl Langdon-Orr - Support a single final document and consultation because of interdependencies - also think that a number of groups will require 2 public consultations.
Michael Karanicolas: +1 again Niels, but also, I think there's a risk recommendations may get stale if left to sit for too long. Energy supporting the ideas may dissipate, new external developments may happen, etc.
Tijani Ben Jemaa - See the merit of a final joint report - agree with DM point. Concerned that the various groups are moving at different paces - how do we handle this.
David McAuley (RySG): yes
Robin Gross [GNSO NCSG]: Leaving everything open just leaves room for the people who did the work to go away, waiting for the other groups to finish, to find out everything they did has been traded away for something else in another subgroup. not a good strategy.
Michael Karanicolas: Also, not sure why potential conflicts can't be addressed by the working groups interacting. This was raised with transparency, and so we engaged in dialogue w the Ombudsman and Human Rights groups to help resolve.
Mathieu Weill - TBJ good point but have no solution to propose at this time. Will close the queue after CLO.
David McAuley (RySG): Michael weren't those engagements just between rapporteurs though?
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): If some subgroups stray completely out of the deadlines perhaps we need some hard deadlines
Sebastien Bachollet - Support DM and CLO but once the sub-groups are finished and its up to the plenary to build the final recommendations.
Kavous Arasteh - The sub-group topics are so different - why we have to wait for those un-related groups to finish. Why not have two categories the Interrelated groups and those that are not which could them be independent.
Michael Karanicolas: @David - on the human rights side, yes, because there wasn't much of a view that a conflict existed. On Ombudsman, Rapporteurs were the ones speaking, but we followed up with our subgroups, as well as other stakeholders (the Ombudsman) to solicit inputs.
David McAuley (RySG): With respect, I disagree w/Kavouss – these topics share common considerations/bases in some respects
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Support RG and TBJ points. Would also seem to make sense as was presented by SB.
Kavouss Arasteh 2: Dvid, you may continue to disagree with any suggestion that I make????
David McAuley (RySG): Thank you Michael, I remain of the view that we need one final report but if we went one-by-one then potential conflicts should be addressed by joint meetings of whole groups affected - but I remain of view for one final consultation
Kavouss Arasteh 2: two groups
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): again, a final deadline could be sensible - to assemble all efforts and focus work
David McAuley (RySG): +1 @Jorge
Mathieu Weill - very useful exchange - We will also need input from the chartering let us have an action item to create a document as to our approach on this for discussion in Copen organizations.
Action Item: Co-Chairs and staff to create a document for plenary consideration on the topic of time extension.
8. Next Plenaries
Mathieu Weill - Do we need a 1 March plenary - recommend we skip (no objections - cancelled).
Decision: 1 March plenary cancelled.
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): On march 1st some of us will be at the IGF open consultations...
Kavouss Arasteh 2: Mathieu+1
David McAuley (RySG): Agree w/Mathieu
9. AOB
Avri Doria - One of the things we noted in Staff Acct. is that we were getting confused wrt labels of ICANN, ICANN org. ICANN staff ICANN the Trinity etc. We need some standardization.
Mathieu Weill - good point AD. Need consistency. Would look for volunteers to create draft glossary for our consideration in Copenhagen.
Sebastien Bachollet - this question is more important today than before. Seems ICANN staff is being called ICANN Org. by the CEO which I do not agree with. Suggestion of a small group is good - maybe talk to CEO about this. Will volunteer if there is a group.
Kavouss Arasteh: Interesting issue. Merits to be discussed because everyone has their own definitions of some terms.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: It is a problem to have the people using the same terms to mean different things. The simplest is needed - we have three parts of ICANN which need unique labels and definitions. Discussion in plenary is good - working group uncertain.
Alan Greenberg - The new CEO seems wedded to using ICANN org for staff and we should work around that.
Action Item - Staff to reach out to plenary to identify volunteers should produce a draft glossary for terms to refer to the three parts of ICANN for our next meeting.
avri doria: i have not asked my subgroup but i bet they volunteer me. so sign me up as penance.
Sebastien Bachollet: Re Ombusman review status - discreptencies between what the sub-group thought they were to be involved in selection but we have had no input. We need the co-chairs to help us with that.
Mathieu Weill - let us draft a request for information offline so we can be updated.
Action Item: SB to liaise with co-chairs to draft a request for information on selection of Ombudsman evaluator.
Adjournment
Decisions:
- Good Faith recommendations approved for public comment.
- 1 March plenary cancelled.
Action Items:
- Staff to prepare public comment for Good Faith Recommendations
- Staff to work with the groups that have active consultations to have a standard set of slides for the co-chairs to support these during Copenhagen.
- Staff to reach out to rapporteurs to establish a draft agenda for Copenhagen.
- Co-Chairs and staff to create a document for plenary consideration on the topic of time extension.
- Staff to reach out to plenary to identify volunteers should produce a draft glossary for terms to refer to the three parts of ICANN for our next meeting.
- SB to liaise with co-chairs to draft a request for information on selection of Ombudsman evaluator.
Documents
- CCWG-Accountability-WS2-Plenary-2017022-Slides-V1.3BT.pdf
- W2 Guidelines Draft Report - For Initial Read 2-1-17.pdf
AC Chat
Brenda Brewer: (2/22/2017 12:23) Good day and welcome to CCWG Acccountability Plenary Meeting #13 on 22 February 2017 @ 19:00 UTC! **Please, kindly mute your phone if you are not speaking - press *6 (star 6) to unmute. Thank you!
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (12:56) hello all
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (12:58) hello, calling adobe world...
Mathieu Weill, ccNSO, co-chair: (12:58) Hello everyone
Tatiana Tropina: (12:59) Hi all
Julf Helsingius (GNSO NCPH NCA): (12:59) Evening
Lori Schulman: (12:59) Hello. Greetings from Germany.
Herb Waye Ombuds: (13:00) Hello from Canada :-)
Lori Schulman: (13:00) Waiting for a dial out.
Julf Helsingius (GNSO NCPH NCA): (13:00) Some bacground noise...
Brenda Brewer: (13:00) Operator has dialed once Lori...let me get back with you.
Michael Abejuela (ARIN): (13:01) Hello everyone
Lori Schulman: (13:01) I didn't hear the ring
Robin Gross [GNSO NCSG]: (13:01) Hello from San Francisco! :-)
Lori Schulman: (13:01) I have sound on my laptop.
jorge villa (ASO): (13:01) hi, good afternooon. i have not audio. everything is working fine?
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (13:01) Lori please mute
Lori Schulman: (13:01) I am in.
Lori Schulman: (13:01) Muting.
Yvette Guigneaux: (13:02) hi Lori - we muted your line for privacy for your call - *6 to unmute if need be
Julf Helsingius (GNSO NCPH NCA): (13:02) Wow, bad echo
Lori Schulman: (13:02) ok
Lori Schulman: (13:02) sorry, I am always the technically challenged one
Yvette Guigneaux: (13:03) no worries Lori =)
Mary Uduma: (13:03) Good evening All.
Lori Schulman: (13:03) I hit *6 but then recording said that option is unavailable.
Yvette Guigneaux: (13:03) ok i'll unmute you from this end
Lori Schulman: (13:04) great. Danke.
Lori Schulman: (13:04) I muted manually on my end so no privacy issues.
Greg Shatan: (13:04) Hello, All.
Khaled Koubaa: (13:05) Hi everyone
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (13:05) this is the french taking over ;P
Tatiana Tropina: (13:06) This is the deals behind the closed door! :D (I mean drinks, co-chairs)
Greg Shatan: (13:07) L'etat c'est Mathieu.
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (13:07) exactement
Mathieu Weill, ccNSO, co-chair: (13:09) Back in AC room
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (13:09) exactly on ATRT3: GAC is looking into it
Greg Shatan: (13:10) Jurisdiction Subgroup will have a question for Legal later this week.
avri doria: (13:10) One thing that I pointed out the the GNSO is the the charter for ATRT3 is set in the bylaws, and the most i think we can do is recomend to ATRT3
Greg Shatan: (13:11) Audio is breaking up. Is it on my side?
David McAuley (RySG): (13:11) audio fine here
Yvette Guigneaux: (13:11) audio is good here
Brenda Brewer: (13:11) sound is good via AC room
Greg Shatan: (13:11) Will reconnect....
David McAuley (RySG): (13:11) my audio is via phone
Julf Helsingius (GNSO NCPH NCA): (13:11) echoechoecho
Mary Uduma: (13:11) Echo
Kavouss Arasteh 2: (13:11) ECHO ECHO
David McAuley (RySG): (13:11) no great connection
Greg Shatan: (13:11) I'm in AC. Now its okay. Echo.
David McAuley (RySG): (13:12) for Lori
Kavouss Arasteh 2: (13:16) cOULD THE SPEAKER LINDLY SPEAK MORE SLOWLY
Kavouss Arasteh 2: (13:17) Sorry for CAP
Robin Gross [GNSO NCSG]: (13:17) Better not bring purple pants to CPH... ;-)
Olga Cavalli: (13:17) Hi, apologies for the delay!
avri doria: (13:17) hehe
Mathieu Weill, ccNSO, co-chair: (13:18) Or we offer purple pants to all Board members ?
Alan Greenberg: (13:18) I am starting to feel that introducing the purlple pants example was a BIG mistake!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (13:18) I loved the 60's
Robin Gross [GNSO NCSG]: (13:18) The board could protest the community by wearing purple pants.
avri doria: (13:18) i bet there will at least one purple pants wearer. at least i hope one of them is brave enough.
Greg Shatan: (13:18) Must rethink CPH wardrobe.
Khaled Koubaa: (13:18) Mathieu : I have one already :)
David McAuley (RySG): (13:18) Maybe a Prince-themed gala night
Rosalia Morales: (13:18) I´d love to see the Board wearing purple pants
avri doria: (13:18) the entire board in purple pants is a cool idea
Kavouss Arasteh 2: (13:19) PLS KINDLY SLOW DOWN THE SPEED
Julf Helsingius (GNSO NCPH NCA): (13:19) Unfortunately purple and yellow pants are still fashionable in Holland...
Kavouss Arasteh 2: (13:19) Sorry for cap
avri doria: (13:19) Julf are you saying this is a dog whistle on anti-holland prejudice?
Kavouss Arasteh 2: (13:19) Secretariat, pls covert all caps into lower case as requested
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (13:20) @KA - in notes yes but not in chat
Julf Helsingius (GNSO NCPH NCA): (13:20) Avri: s/Holland/Amsterdam/
Kavouss Arasteh 2: (13:21) Whenever it hepl not to misinterpreting the cap as "shouting"
David McAuley (RySG): (13:21) Nice summary - thank you Lori
avri doria: (13:21) yeah really well done. and great example, it is really developing.
David McAuley (RySG): (13:22) None here
Robin Gross [GNSO NCSG]: (13:22) Yes, nice job, Lori and team!
avri doria: (13:23) Yay for Good Faith
Lori Schulman: (13:24) I love consensus.
Lori Schulman: (13:24) and purple pants
Lori Schulman: (13:24) Our team is small yet mighty...thanks everyone.
Kavouss Arasteh 2: (13:24) Mthieu, I asked two time to advise speaker to speak slowly
Khaled Koubaa: (13:25) @Lori : Thank you for the colour choice :)
Herb Waye Ombuds: (13:25) If I start getting compliants about purple pants I will refer it all to the Good Faith sub group.
Yvette Guigneaux: (13:25) LOL
Julf Helsingius (GNSO NCPH NCA): (13:25) Depends on if you wear the pants in good faith or not...
Kavouss Arasteh 2: (13:26) I have a request
avri doria: (13:26) The question becomes, are purple leggings, purple pants.
Niels ten Oever: (13:27) There is a chance the HR group will have smth ready for 1st reading by March 7
avri doria: (13:27) sorry
Julf Helsingius (GNSO NCPH NCA): (13:27) Too bad the ICANN policy doesn't cover an extra day for participants
Lori Schulman: (13:27) Avri, there is always a twist.
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (13:27) +1 Niels - hopefully
Niels ten Oever: (13:27) But only March 7, not March 3
Michael Karanicolas: (13:28) Transparency is hoping ot discuss our draft at Copenhagen, though the draft has already been circulated
Julf Helsingius (GNSO NCPH NCA): (13:29) Kavouss, you also speak pretty fast...
Lori Schulman: (13:29) My apologies to Kavouss. I am happy to answer any of your questions.
Lori Schulman: (13:29) I did not see the request in the chat.
Greg Shatan: (13:30) Too much purple pants stuff....
Kavouss Arasteh 2: (13:30) Pls review the chat as requested 3 times
avri doria: (13:30) i saw it:
avri doria: (13:31) Kavouss Arasteh 2: cOULD THE SPEAKER LINDLY SPEAK MORE SLOWLY
Kavouss Arasteh 2: (13:32) Sorry for cap
avri doria: (13:36) The complaints office is rather a black box to be putting things in t this point.
avri doria: (13:37) and the community will really need to decide whethether this new function is credible before putting too many extra functions in it.
Robin Gross [GNSO NCSG]: (13:37) What if there is a problem with the complaints office? What is the accountability mechanism for the new complaints office?
Lori Schulman: (13:37) You could say that about compliance generally.
Aarti Bhavana: (13:38) +1 Robin
avri doria: (13:38) Robin it is true, the compaints office is only accountable to legal. i guess the same accountabity, reconsideration, irp and court are avaialble for its decsions.
avri doria: (13:39) or actions
Robin Gross [GNSO NCSG]: (13:40) It seems we have a conflict of interest with legal overseeing complaints office because legal's fiduciary duty is to protect the corporation. So that is in conflict with objectivity and neutrality, which is a requirement for an approopriate complaints office.
Lori Schulman: (13:40) I agree. Maybe smarter to put complaints under CFO.
Edward Morris: (13:41) +1 Robin.
Greg Shatan: (13:43) I think that Niels, the rapporteur in question, handled the discussion appropriately, and the process was, in fact, followed.
Tatiana Tropina: (13:44) Agree with Greg.
Lori Schulman: (13:44) Agree that consensus is within plenary not subgroups.
Kavouss Arasteh 2: (13:44) Grec, it is not truse
Tatiana Tropina: (13:44) Niels is doing an amazing job in handling the discussion and sotring out the pen'holders work, even when it is difficult.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:45) agree with you totally Avri
Kavouss Arasteh 2: (13:45) Greg ,sorry for mistake
David McAuley (RySG): (13:45) Agree with Avri, Greg and tatiana
David McAuley (RySG): (13:46) Tatiana, that is
Tatiana Tropina: (13:46) Agree Avri - with every word.
Lori Schulman: (13:46) Support Avri's explanation
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:46) and most of us agree nothing is ever decided in or at s single call
David McAuley (RySG): (13:46) Yes, agree, @CLO
Lori Schulman: (13:49) yes, the challenge for the rapporteurs is to encourage consistent engagement when the community is quite tired at moment.
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (13:50) and the policy side is requiring more and more work and engagement...
Lori Schulman: (13:50) Multiple meetings ensure that ideas are captured accurately and well understood by the plenary and the community generally
Lori Schulman: (13:51) yes, the policy side feels more intense now. Perhaps because the transition was so consuming last year
avri doria: (13:51) yes, wee have to make an end of this or we will all be permently dmaged. but we have to try and do it right and we need to try and reach ICANN consensus the old fashioned way, with discussion and cycles of ever greater comment community.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:53) indeed!!!
David McAuley (RySG): (13:55) Interesting to see this mapped out Bernie, thank you
Lori Schulman: (13:56) Yes, crazy math.
Alan Greenberg: (13:57) I'm glad we are only getting the simplified version!
Mathieu Weill, ccNSO, co-chair: (13:57) @Alan : happy to share the details ;-)
Mark Carvell UK GAC rep: (14:00) This extension will impact on ATRT3 timeline presumably.
Niels ten Oever: (14:00) ugh
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:00) I assume so @Mark
Niels ten Oever: (14:00) one by one imho
Michael Karanicolas: (14:01) +1 Niels
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (14:01) in the end you need a chartering orgs approval - and that is easier if there is a package
Robin Gross [GNSO NCSG]: (14:01) Agree, one by one.
Niels ten Oever: (14:02) So at least the people who are done are liberated from the process and can focus on other work.
Mark Carvell UK GAC rep: (14:03) Agree with Jorge: prefer single package approach and there may be intersects between topics too presumably.
Robin Gross [GNSO NCSG]: (14:04) It will be difficult for SGs to write comments on all issues at once. Better to focus.
Kavouss Arasteh 2: (14:04) Mathieu ,not exactly
Lori Schulman: (14:05) Agree with David. I think joining the topics makes sense with one consultation.
Robin Gross [GNSO NCSG]: (14:05) One document will be put out either way. It is just a matter of approving them in a focused matter.
Greg Shatan: (14:05) i don't think every topic intersects with every other one. We can look for those that are not cross-dependent.
Robin Gross [GNSO NCSG]: (14:06) Agree, Greg.
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (14:06) good points, David
Mark Carvell UK GAC rep: (14:06) Agree with David.
Tatiana Tropina: (14:06) Agree with Greg
David McAuley (RySG): (14:06) cant hear
Michael Karanicolas: (14:07) +1 again Niels, but also, I think there's a risk recommendations may get stale if left to sit for too long. Energy supporting the ideas may dissipate, new external developments may happen, etc.
David McAuley (RySG): (14:09) yes
Robin Gross [GNSO NCSG]: (14:09) Leaving everything open just leaves room for the people who did the work to go away, waiting for the other groups to finish, to find out everything they did has been traded away for something else in another subgroup. not a good strategy.
Michael Karanicolas: (14:09) Also, not sure why potential conflicts can't be addressed by the working groups interacting. This was raised with transparency, and so we engaged in dialogue w the Ombudsman and Human Rights groups to help resolve.
David McAuley (RySG): (14:10) Michael weren't those engagements just between rapporteurs though?
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (14:11) If some subgroups stray completely out of the deadlines perhaps we need some hard deadlines
Michael Karanicolas: (14:13) @David - on the human rights side, yes, because there wasn't much of a view that a conflict existed. On Ombudsman, Rapporteurs were the ones speaking, but we followed up with our subgroups, as well as other stakeholders (the Ombudsman) to solicit inputs.
David McAuley (RySG): (14:14) With respect, I disagree w/Kavouss – these topics share common considerations/bases in some respects
Kavouss Arasteh 2: (14:15) Dvid, you may continue to disagree with any suggestion that I MADE????
David McAuley (RySG): (14:15) Thank you Michael, I remain of the view that we need one final report but if we went one-by-one then potential conflicts should be addressed by joint meetings of whole groups affected - but I remian of view for one final consultation
Kavouss Arasteh 2: (14:16) two GROUPS
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (14:16) again, a final deadline could be sensible - to assemble all efforts and focus work
David McAuley (RySG): (14:16) +1 @Jorge
Kavouss Arasteh 2: (14:17) and possibility of having two groups
Kavouss Arasteh 2: (14:18) Mathieu ,pls consider of two sets of actions
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (14:19) On march 1st some of us will be at the IGF open consultations...
Kavouss Arasteh 2: (14:19) Mathieu+1
David McAuley (RySG): (14:19) Agree w/Mathieu
Julf Helsingius (GNSO NCPH NCA): (14:20) many of those of us who didn't get an extra day sponsored will be travelling on the 10th
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (14:21) perhaps we need a CCWG on ICANN terminology... just joking...
David McAuley (RySG): (14:21) Cogito ergo ICANN
Mathieu Weill, ccNSO, co-chair: (14:21) Joking ? Really ?
Julf Helsingius (GNSO NCPH NCA): (14:21) ICANN ORG sounds a bit too much like another organisation with headquarters in LA...
Greg Shatan: (14:23) ICANN, YOUCANN THEYCANN, & WECANN.
Mathieu Weill, ccNSO, co-chair: (14:24) I"m in favour of Purple, Orange, Red and Blue. Guess who's who ?
Greg Shatan: (14:24) ICANN Corp.
Robin Gross [GNSO NCSG]: (14:24) +1, Greg
avri doria: (14:25) the royal Board is obviously the Purple
avri doria: (14:25) isn't that why they wear purple?
Tatiana Tropina: (14:25) I think it might be useful to have volunteers from each subgroup
Tatiana Tropina: (14:25) because we probably all struggled with this while drafting
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (14:25) TOFKAI: the organization formerly known as ICANN
avri doria: (14:26) good idea Tatiana
avri doria: (14:26) i think whatever we do, we need to explain it up front in what ever doc is the lead doc.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:27) agree @Avri
Julf Helsingius (GNSO NCPH NCA): (14:27) yes
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (14:27) fixed tijani
Julf Helsingius (GNSO NCPH NCA): (14:27) yes!
avri doria: (14:27) yes we hear you
Greg Shatan: (14:27) How about ICANN The Universe? For short, it could be ITU....
David McAuley (RySG): (14:28) Greg wins another chat prize
Mathieu Weill, ccNSO, co-chair: (14:28) +1 David
Tatiana Tropina: (14:28) Lol agree with prize.
avri doria: (14:29) it should be simple, bet when do ever do things the simple way.
avri doria: (14:29) ... but ...
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (14:29) +1 Greg
avri doria: (14:31) i have not asked my subgroup but i bet they volunteer me. so sign me up as penance.
Mathieu Weill, ccNSO, co-chair: (14:31) Noted Avri, thank you !
Robin Gross [GNSO NCSG]: (14:32) Will these slides live on the web somewhere? Thanks.
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (14:33) always on the wiki after the meeting
Robin Gross [GNSO NCSG]: (14:33) Thank you!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:33) thanks everyone... bye for now...
David McAuley (RySG): (14:33) Well-chaired Mathieu
Lori Schulman: (14:34) yes, a good meeting. ciao
Olga Cavalli: (14:34) thanks all !!!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:34) safe travels to a
Olga Cavalli: (14:34) See you in Denmark!
Olga Cavalli: (14:34) safe travels
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (14:34) bye all
Herb Waye Ombuds: (14:34) Bye all safe travels
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:34) all heading to Change
Tatiana Tropina: (14:34) thanks a lot - safe travel all.
David McAuley (RySG): (14:34) Thanks all, good bye
Rosalia Morales: (14:34) bye!
Robin Gross [GNSO NCSG]: (14:34) Thanks all, bye!
Mary Uduma: (14:34) bye
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (14:34) thanks and bye all!
avri doria: (14:34) bye
avri doria: (14:34) travel easy
