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Apologies: TBD
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Notes & Action Items
- Open action items
- Sub-group calls RFP 3 and 4.
- Interim draft document intended to be published on Tuesday 24 in preparation of CWG call on 27 WG
- Planning post 1 December
Action items form the meeting itself
- Principles document to be updated, has ben circulated
- RFP 1 and RFP 2A, updated documented circulated
- RFP 2 B – Draft updated, and recalculated
- RFP 2C No updates ,
- RFP 4 additional call , however overtaken by volunteers
- Flowcharts are published
- Additional opportunity to check changes resulting from discussion.
- Flowcharts to be reviewed as soon as possible but no later then Monday 24 November COB UTC.
Reporting to community // Material to assist in reporting to community.
co-chairs will produce overview session/ communication without foreclosing on progress.
Produce form of statement outcome of the meeting
- Circulated to the group:
- Alterntives:
- Statement of the chairs or opportunity of communique
- Sense of the meeting Statement of the chairs
Where will flowchart be in the text?
Probably in RFP 3, one view
Where will entities be located? Consideration of Alternatives
- Issue on ALAC list: if entity is created, can it be taken down?
- Focus is Contracting entity, other entities identified less of an issue with regard to location/jurisdiction, risk mitigation etc.
- Request to put concern on the list
- Concern of building rather complex model, due to accountability issues around ICANN.
- Alternatives have not been discussed.
- Expression that opportunity has been lost to change ICANN
- Opportunities for group to deal with comments post public comment period
- Issue of linkage of this CWG with Accountability. to address fundamental concern, that accountability needs to be addressed as a necessary precondition for transition.
- Issue included of final stop backstop?
- Caution, to rush forward. If needed to take more time to ensure a well thought through draft proposal
- There is a flexibility
RFP 4 Meeting
RFP 4 meets Tuesday 25 November, invite will go out shortly.
Logsitics around Final Report
Draft initial report to be circulated to the group by Tuesday 24, to be discussed by the CWG on 27 November
Accountability concern heard loud and clear->
- If concern focus on this topic, in recognition of work done and what is achieved during the two day meetings.
- Suggestion to refrain from comments about what should come back in proposal until draft has been published
- Comments on issue of accountability to be circulated on the list to keep discussion going.
Transcript
The transcript is available here: MeetingF2F_WrapUp_20Nov.doc
Recording
The Adobe Connect recording is available here: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/p29kvzpf4ww/
The audio recording is available here: https://icann.box.com/shared/static/uy6ld5uqm7k9c3pwfw6g.mp3
Chat Transcript
Grace Abuhamad:17:00 – 18:00 Wrap Up & Review of Action Items -- CURRENT
Lars Erik Forsberg:Thanks from Brussels!
Grace Abuhamad::)
Fatima Cambronero:`+1 @Olivier
Milton Mueller:NTIA could be killed, many in US Congress would like to do so...
Sivasubramanian M:A solution lies in Strawman 4, and in forming something between a committee and a trust, not incorporated to start with
Fatima Cambronero:@Siva, are you sure that the Strawman 4 is THE solution?
Sivasubramanian M:could be
Sivasubramanian M:needs some more work and fine tuning, but it offers an acceptable framework
Greg Shatan:A trust is still a legal entity, located in a particular jurisdiction.
Sivasubramanian M:Greg, we could still explore formation of a Trust, that has legitimacy without incorporation
matthew shears:to Olivier's point - we ran out of time and there are a number of things that still need to be fleshed out - we have made progress but much remains to be done
Sivasubramanian M:The idea of a Trust can also offer us opportunities to bring in higher conepts of Trusteeship..
Milton Mueller:you don't solve the jurisdiction problem by ducking it
Greg Shatan:Incorporation is not the issue -- a trust has "legal personality," so it does not solve any problems of jurisdiction.
Milton Mueller:right, Greg
Sivasubramanian M:@ Milton We are not ducking it, but merely not rushing into incorporation in the short term
Sivasubramanian M:in a way, postponing incorporation
maarten simon:if we can make sure that the contracting entity really has nothing to say we could use the UN. Solves a lot of problems
Milton Mueller:maarten are you serious?
maarten simon:yes, but the problem is in the first part of the sentence
Sivasubramanian M:@ Maarten. No, no, no no no
Milton Mueller:Sivasub: you are trying (unsiccessfully) to duck it.
Sivasubramanian M:No Milton.. Just taking time. It pays to have a patient approach
Milton Mueller:well, then, maarten it;s just another attempt to duck or avoid the problem
Sivasubramanian M:Whatever we create has to last hundereds of years
Milton Mueller:Alan, would like to hear more about why we lost an opportunity?
maarten simon:might be, but I do not so many other solutions
Sivasubramanian M:A solution around a Trust that is not immediately incorporated may point us to a simplified solution. Sometimes some of the most complicated problems have very simple solutions
matthew shears:there are still opportunities for comment and contribution in this process and I encourage everyone to get involvd in the accountbaility process that is about to start
Greg Shatan:Trusts are never incorporated.
Wale Bakare:+1 Robert
Seun Ojedeji:well we have developed a major part of the rfp3 in a specific direction and not with options
Sivasubramanian M:It is not the end.. This is the first major meeting, which brought the discussion to an initial shape.
Sivasubramanian M:And based on the shape that has emerged during the last two days, certain solutions begin to apper
Wale Bakare:@Siva. i think spending too many times on going back and forth
Sivasubramanian M:@ Wale, is Strawman 4 way out of what we discussed?
Wale Bakare:If it would, why not dwell on it rather than tracking back unnessarily?
Sivasubramanian M:My suggestion came up in the context of the question raised by Olivier.. It occurred to me that it is could be an easy solution to the concerns expressed by the question
Sivasubramanian M:Yes, it has been two days of very hard work
Sivasubramanian M:I don't know if any of what is being said at this moment relates to the points that I raised, but I want to say that whatever that I suggest at the moment, is raised with the belief that the suggestion is perfectly in tune with the thoughts of the group. It is in no way intended to be a dissent of different opinion in any sense
Sivasubramanian M:Applause for the work done during the last two days