Andrea Glandon:Welcome to the At-Large Review Implementation Working Group call held on Tuesday, 09 October 2018 at 19:00 UTC.
Andrea Glandon:Wiki Agena Page: https://community.icann.org/x/igmrBQ
Evin Erdogdu:Hello all!
John Laprise:Hi! I'm connectd via a conference and see that my connection strenth is only fair :(
Andrea Glandon:Would you like a dial out, John?
John Laprise:no...I'm good
John Laprise:tyvm
Andrea Glandon:You're welcome!
Ricardo Holmquist:good day everyone
Alfredo Calderon:I will in the call as long as I can. Going through a power outage as of a few minutes ago.
Holly Raiche:Greetings all
Hadia Elminiawi:hello john, ricardo, holly and all
Vanda Scartezini:hi all
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):It would appear so Maureen *SIGH*
Vanda Scartezini:yes
Evin Erdogdu:ARIWG Prioritization and Dependencies: https://community.icann.org/display/ALRW/ARIWG+Prioritization+and+Dependencies+Workspace
Eduardo Diaz - NARALO:Mine is already open
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):So Page 3 of the screen document
Vanda Scartezini:from GLENN -I am on the call only adigo. Can't get in via my chromebook, Google chrome, Mozilla or IE
Alan Greenberg:My concern is that we will be bulking up the work we are doing with Board supervision, and there is no need to do that.
Alan Greenberg:Daddy's about to leave, so all will be serene.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Well I see AG's point as ensuring that our NO the Issue is wrong... We already have that being fixed as it was a perspective problem needs to be done In Steps ....
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Yup as I said a lot of those steps can be bumped down in the template
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):And no need to hide JZ
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Exactly Maureen that is our add on... and perhaps AG was not in that call
Jonathan Zuck:Ok. That makes sense. I'll try harder to make a firm distinction then between implementation and continuous improvement
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):And to be honest I doubt that we can show sufficient progress in the Web and Wiki tidy up.. **SIGH**
Andrea Glandon:@Maureen, can you adjust your phone? the interpreters are having a hard time hearing you. A bit muffled
Vanda Scartezini:not only interprets.
Andrea Glandon:@maureen, much better! thank you!
glenn mcknight:wow what an ordeal to log into the adobe room after trying three different browsers and three computers
Vanda Scartezini:welcome Glenn
Hadia Elminiawi:hello glenn
glenn mcknight:Hi Vanda i have kisses for the ICANN ATLARGE Booth
glenn mcknight:it should be a signature candy for the DNS and Women event
Vanda Scartezini:thanks GLENN
Holly Raiche:I would have to confine ourselves to ONLY what we promised to do - but if we want to go further, let's please do - just identify wwhat we ae doing to address the promises we made - and then what we are doing as well. I would hate to have us stop at only what we promised the Board
Jonathan Zuck:I don't entirely agree. I think we're not disiplined enough about sticking to the end user perspective and we're not AT ALL disiplined about socializing policy to those working on WGs so that they actually represent consensus instead of their personal views
Eduardo Diaz - NARALO:@Alan: Thabks for the clarification
Vanda Scartezini:thanks Alan, more clear now
glenn mcknight:The Atlarge Review isn't the definitive list of issues that need to be fixed
Holly Raiche:@ Jonathan - agree - one of he reforms we need is to be very clear about what issues we should be addressing because of thier impact on end users
Andrea Glandon:Alfredo, your audio is cutting out a bit
Marita Moll:Maybe the continous improvement section should not be there at the moment -- it's confusing people
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):ICANN Policy Development is **NOT** purely linked to its public meetings people please remember that (Grandma)
Alan Greenberg:The fact that the GAC makes 1 "coomment" per meeting (and it may be on a dozen or more issues) is one of their bugs, not a feature.
Vanda Scartezini:+ 1 Marita...wise recommendation
Alfredo Calderon:Continous improvement should be 'Internal section'.
Alfredo Calderon:We must watch out of the impact on 'budget'.
Nadira AL-Araj:I good hear the discussion on one of the issues that was raised in the document about some time is lost discussing the processes.
Hadia Elminiawi:Sorry i was disconnected but I am back again
Eduardo Diaz - NARALO:Who is JC in the comments?
Maureen Hilyard:#2 should read "At-Large has struggled to reflect/process end-user opinion; barriers to individual participation; perception of unchanging leadership group" it has been changed in the online copy of the template
Vanda Scartezini:very difficult to hear Seun
Marita Moll:really muffled - not getting much
Vanda Scartezini:please someone repeat what Seun is saying
Marita Moll:If there is a history we should try to avoid reinventing this wheel
Andrea Glandon:Seun is back
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):stepping away from PC am still in audio
Marita Moll:Maybe things can be done but how effective they are -- that will take time to assess
Heidi Ullrich:Is that an AI?
Marita Moll:I like Cheryl's suggestion -- makes things a lot less daunting
Holly Raiche:My fear - that we do lose too much time in redoing a chart AGAIN instead of actually DOING stuff
Holly Raiche:This is sounding like what we are accused of - focussing on process rather than actually doing stuff
Alan Greenberg:@Cheryl, Oh yes.
Heidi Ullrich:@Holly, the actions Cheryl suggested is not redoing the chart. It is a quick tweet.
Daniel K. Nanghaka:The chart is a great guide
Holly Raiche:Which is EXACTLY why we should go beyond this process stuff
Heidi Ullrich:not tweet - tweak
Hadia Elminiawi:I started contributing and put a couple of comments
Maureen Hilyard:@Heidi.. yes tweaking - we can do that
Maureen Hilyard:Thank you Hadia
Hadia Elminiawi:sorry for being late on this
Alan Greenberg:Notice the lead-in words of the proposal. "Continue to look for opportunities..."
Hadia Elminiawi:Sure Holly
Vanda Scartezini:may be a table with issues + complains + possible implementations would help
Heidi Ullrich:Monday in Barcelona is pretty open for staff.
Judith Hellerstein:Is this document on the wiki or on a google doc?
Hadia Elminiawi:Holly and cheryl what you are saying makes perfect sense
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond:wiki
Judith Hellerstein:Can you send the link
Andrea Glandon:https://community.icann.org/x/EQarBQ
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):o re #4 the proposed updates to the RoP's will also clarify this point... Assuming it get's support of course
Evin Erdogdu:Thank you @Andrea
Andrea Glandon:You're welcome!
Alan Greenberg:#5 is another "We will continue to..."
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Yup
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):It would be wise for all team emails to go through the ARIWG list IMO
Hadia Elminiawi:@Tijani do you mean a mailing list dedicated to issue 5
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):just lable the Subject appropriatly
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Hadia see my chat on that...
Eduardo Diaz - NARALO:We need to invloved the GSE here. LIke we can ask GSE to attend the RALOs monthly call to start talking about ways of collaboration.
Hadia Elminiawi:@Cheryl Yes indeed it si wise for all emails and all issues to go through the ARIWG
Hadia Elminiawi:why do we need a separate mailing list?
Holly Raiche:One of he reforms of this was the creation of the CPWG
Judith Hellerstein:I am also trying to restart Technology Task Force and will begin recruiting co-chairs.
Judith Hellerstein:Sarah is representing us in Barcelona with NPOC
glenn mcknight:What is happening with the Accessibility
Ricardo Holmquist:there are some minor steps needed to keep this on time, I'm working with Javier to fill this
Holly Raiche:This is where we can separate out what we promised to do for the Review and what further we can do
Ricardo Holmquist:number 7 I mena
Nadira AL-Araj:i like Alqn pragmatic approach
Nadira AL-Araj:*Alan
Hadia Elminiawi:Yes it is good now
Holly Raiche:Sounds lieke really good progress - well done
Alan Greenberg:#8 Another "We will continue..." #9 Will request support staff and work with ICANN Comms.
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Presentation on Slack : https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_presentation_d_1G2Hs1apBYaOcsaeBy-5Fn5z1xvjOVYTtzHLqQxUU29WyU_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=k7uKdjSb7_ZjItyVqrCYHo_rKms9SFxlmbYEJqG-y9I&m=LWuJzwi7P6sL3KrvX9kde_YGjKVKR9JarLOVGQPjleQ&s=WFWGQEcSDwPSIoNwia1vD0ZC-UGiIxfTW46xN02LAGU&e= ; Invitation to ICANN At-Large Community Slack group https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bitly.com_2OItTX6&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=k7uKdjSb7_ZjItyVqrCYHo_rKms9SFxlmbYEJqG-y9I&m=LWuJzwi7P6sL3KrvX9kde_YGjKVKR9JarLOVGQPjleQ&s=NCVviWamWcyCvulfPH2grYEuL8ns4M6NxNHDocSjcHs&e=
Holly Raiche:Thanks Dev
glenn mcknight:The technoloogy isn't the issue. the committment of people using it whether its SLACK, HipChat etc
Jonathan Zuck:hashtags are never owned
Holly Raiche:Good point - maybe something to be discussed at Barcelona and with ICANN Org
Andrea Glandon:not good audio
Andrea Glandon:Can we dial out to you?
Andrea Glandon:The interpreters will not be able to interpret
Vanda Scartezini:impossible to understand...
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:dial out to me then
Andrea Glandon:thank you, Dev
Vanda Scartezini:thank you Dev we need to follow what you are saying..
Holly Raiche:Thanks Dav- and put into chat because you weren't clear in audio
Holly Raiche:(sorry - Dev - my typo)
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond:Table of ATLASes & GAs: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_spreadsheets_d_1KSx22fSmrfBfzVVtqxOnqpKyWloAb-2DYzQe0YGq0qIzw_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=k7uKdjSb7_ZjItyVqrCYHo_rKms9SFxlmbYEJqG-y9I&m=LWuJzwi7P6sL3KrvX9kde_YGjKVKR9JarLOVGQPjleQ&s=rnu6lmpPYqvtFNaPAsGjecFkbynBTzELXq3nX1dJn38&e=
Holly Raiche:It's a very useful chart
Andrea Glandon:Dev is connected to the audio bridge now
Holly Raiche:The actual recommendation that was accepted by the Board isn't clear as to what action items come out of it
Judith Hellerstein:@maureen I will help you with Issue 15
Hadia Elminiawi:sounds good eduardo
Maureen Hilyard:@Judith.. thanks
Alfredo Calderon:ROI with GA and ATLAS
Daniel K. Nanghaka:Metrics is key for ATLAS III
Vanda Scartezini:Yeah Daniel, but we also need to continue to focus on ATLAS.
Alfredo Calderon:What is the purpose of each?
Holly Raiche:@ OCL - exactly - what we agreed to doesn't quite fit to the earlie discussions. Really, this should be about the relationship between GAs and ATLAS and what both should achieve
Holly Raiche:Ths FINAL recommendation is very narro but doesn't reflect the earlier discussions
Heidi Ullrich:+1 Alan
Jonathan Zuck:+1
Heidi Ullrich:The ALAC document on the regular Summits and GA was approved by the Board.
Vanda Scartezini:clear ALAN
Daniel K. Nanghaka:lets look closely at the impact of ATLAS III
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond:@Heidi -- the question is: can the Board track back & renegate on the document of regular summits & GAs?
Andrea Glandon:Sebastian you are low and muffled
Vanda Scartezini:as many today Andrea...
Judith Hellerstein:he is fine just needs to speak louder
Alan Greenberg:Sebastien is right that we did not get what we might have expected by projecting the last two, but I think we got a reasonable amount given today's situation.
Alan Greenberg:@Olivier, of course the Board can change their minds. Our job is to demopnstrate that we are doing a good job and warrant their support.
Holly Raiche:Back to Ed's comments on relevnt metrics - to try to understand what was achieved
Judith Hellerstein:I also think it is a probelm for newcomers as we are not getting newcomers to come to atlas and that is how to get people involved in at large
Jonathan Zuck:+1 Judith. We need to severely cut back the number of oldcomers that go to Atlas, based on some criteria, and reserve a lot of spots for those who are potentially going to be more active
Nadira AL-Araj:you need a shadowing programto new commers
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond:@Nadira - mentoring?
Hadia Elminiawi:@Nadira this sounds good but how can this be achieved
Judith Hellerstein:Yes I got involved as Glenn was my mentor adn he assigned me to several groups in Atlas 2
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Mentoring is not succsession planning!!!
Holly Raiche:! Jonathan and Jdith - GAs were also supposed to introduce newcomeers - really step below ATLAS - really a back up for ALTAS???
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond:or for them to shadow people already in place? Because the problem with this is that the majority of the work takes place at ICANN meetings and shadows are not funded
Judith Hellerstein:But other people's mentors were not as good as Glenn. I leanred from the best
Vanda Scartezini:@Jonathan - we need to have a number of slots for newones + the regular leaders at the time + a number of slots for old ones to make it fair and guarantee good results
Nadira AL-Araj:not mentoring it is more of walking through
Nadira AL-Araj:shadowing coukd be done remotely with wirkinh groups and how to reach out to the working soaces
Alan Greenberg:I note that the proposal for #13 focussed on web/wiki pages.
Vanda Scartezini:and we do maureen
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Yes indeed Nadira!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Thanks everyone, we have progressed a lot actually :-) Bye for now... Safe travels for those heading to ICANN 63...
Hadia Elminiawi:Thank you Maureen for all the work and effort
Ricardo Holmquist:bye everyone, have a good day
Hadia Elminiawi:thank you all
John Laprise:bye all
Hadia Elminiawi:bye
Alfredo Calderon:Bye
Nadira AL-Araj:thank you
Vanda Scartezini:thanks yoy all see you there safe trips
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:bye
Evin Erdogdu:Thank you all, see you!
Daniel K. Nanghaka:bye
