Attendees: 

Sub-group Members:   Avri Doria, Becky Burr, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, Christopher Wilkinson, David McAuley, Erich Schweighofer, Finn Petersen, Greg Shatan, Griffin Barnett, Herb Waye, Mathieu Weill, Philip Corwin, Seun Ojedeji, Tijani Ben Jemaa, Wale Bakare   (15)

Observers/Guests:  Taylor RW Bentley

Staff:  Bernard Turcotte, Brenda Brewer, Karen Mulberry, Nigel Hickson   (4)

Apologies:  Paul McGrady, Matthew Shears

 ** If your name is missing from attendance or apology, please send note to acct-staff@icann.org **


Transcript

Recording

Agenda

1.  Welcome

2.  Review of Agenda

3.  Administration 

     a) Changes to SOIs

     b) Questions to ICANN Legal – Status

4.  Questionnaire Update 

     a) Status of current responses – no new responses

     b) Questionnaire Review/Evaluation Team

        i)  Responsibilities

            (1)  Updating the Subgroup on new responses and their status at each meeting

                    (2)  Proposing an evaluation framework for responses

                           (a) Responses received will help guide creation of evaluation framework

                           (b) To be approved by the Subgroup

                ii)  Mail list to be created

               iii)  Meeting to be scheduled – Doodle poll to follow

5.  Review of ICANN’s Past and Current Litigation (45 minutes)

     a) Review of Sign-up sheet 

     b) Review of Summary Sheet 

     c) Review of Summaries

            i) Verisign, Inc. v. ICANN V2 – MW 

           ii) State of Arizona vs NTIA V2 - MW 

           iii) Ben Haim v. Iran – MW 

6.  AOB

7.  Adjourn

Notes (includes relevant text from chat):

13 Participants at start of call

1.  Welcome

2.  Review of Agenda

Greg Shatan - (no objections)

3.  Administration

     a)    Changes to SOIs (none)

     b)   Questions to ICANN Legal – Status (awaiting response)

4.  Questionnaire Update

     a)    Status of current responses – no new responses

     b)   Questionnaire Review/Evaluation Team

                i)  Responsibilities           

                    (1)  Updating the Subgroup on new responses and their status at each meeting

                    (2)  Proposing an evaluation framework for responses       

                         (a)  Responses received will help guide creation of evaluation framework

Christopher Wilkinson - I responded but my name does not seem to have been accepted.

Greg Shatan - will add.

                         (b)  To be approved by the Subgroup

                ii)     Mail list to be created

                iii)    Meeting to be scheduled – Doodle poll to follow

5.  Review of ICANN’s Past and Current Litigation

      a)   Review of Sign-up sheet (document)

Greg Shatan - (no changes)

      b)  Review of Summary Sheet (document)

      c)   Review of Summaries

               i)   Verisign, Inc. v. ICANN V2 – MW   

Mathieu Weill - (presentation of summary sheet). Did not feel comfortable filling in the "choice of law/gov. law" field.

Becky Burr - ICANN used to put in a choice of law claue in its contracts which it does not do anymore.

              ii)   State of AZ vs NTIA V2 - MW

Mathieu Weill - (presentation of summary sheet). Did not feel comfortable filling in the "choice of law/gov. law" field.

Greg Shatan - did the court rule on the jurisdiction argument (MW - no mention of it). Any questions? (none).

 

             iii)   Ben Haim v. Iran – MW

Mathieu Weill - (presentation of summary sheet). Did not feel comfortable filling in the "choice of law/gov. law" field.

Becky Burr: there was a long discussion in the cases regarding which attachment law (state) applied

Becky Burr: DC or California

Mathieu Weill: I'll check the case and extract the relevant parts

Becky Burr: not WOULD have, but potentially could have

Becky Burr: because the plaintiffs sought the attachment in DC

David McAuley (RySG): just getting wind of this discussion - in the case on screen I think coutrt applied DC law which is a tad unusual on attachment

Becky Burr: so the plaintiff controlled here

Becky Burr: yes, David, you and I are on the same wavelength

Greg Shatan -  should we add a field to the form about alternate jurisdictions.

Mathieu Weill - Do not think we should theorize about this - we just do our analysis and then look at statistics they yield.

Becky Burr: correct Mattieu

David McAuley (RySG): good point @Mathieu

Greg Shatan - Agree we should not do studies beyond what is provided in the materials.

6.  AOB

Greg Shatan - (none)

7.  Adjourn

Greg Shatan - Adjourned.

Decisions (none)

Action Items:

  • Staff-GS – Add Christopher Wilkinson to Questionnaire Review/Evaluation Team
  • Staff to create email address for Questionnaire Review/Evaluation Team
  • Staff-GS To send doodle poll to arrange for a meeting of the Questionnaire Review/Evaluation Team

Documents Presented

Chat Transcript

 Brenda Brewer:Good day all and welcome to Jurisdiction Subgroup Meeting #24 on 28 March 2017 @ 19:00 UTC!

  Brenda Brewer:This meeting will be recorded.  Please mute your phone when not speaking by pressing *6 (star 6)  *6 will also unmute.

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:Hello all

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:Thanks for joining us at 6AM Cheryl

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):this time of day is easy Bernie

  Mathieu Weill:Hello !

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):hi Mathieu

  Herb Waye Ombuds:Hello all

  CW:Good evening all, Christopher

  Mathieu Weill:OMG, meeting #24...

  Nigel Hickson:good evening

  Philip Corwin:That's me Greg  5316

  CW:Could staff please recall where are the translations of the questionnaire.

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:Correct

  Brenda Brewer:https://community.icann.org/x/UpXRAw

  Brenda Brewer:See above link for questionnaire.

  Mathieu Weill:Let's call the team Q

  Greg Shatan:Jean Deaux?

  Becky Burr:it would have been either California or Virginia, but

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:email from David McAuley - My apologies to group and Greg for absence – I intended to attend the call but am at present in a Hilton Hotel in Brussels where the internet access has been abysmal – until just a few minutes ago. Will ry to join now.

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:Time Check - 30 minutes left in call

  David McAuley (RySG):I am now on call - in Brussels but having hard timne connecting

  Greg Shatan:David, welcome.

  David McAuley (RySG):thanks Greg, cant hear anything though

  David McAuley (RySG):will check my system

  Mathieu Weill:Come on, Becky, what you say is always interesting

  Mathieu Weill:Even what you dont" say

  Becky Burr:there was a long discussion in the cases regarding which attachment law (state) applied

  Becky Burr:DC or California

  David McAuley (RySG):i just got audio back

  Mathieu Weill:I'll check the case and extract the relevant parts

  Becky Burr:not WOULD have, but potentially could have

  Becky Burr:because the plaintiffs sought the attachment in DC

  David McAuley (RySG):just getting wind of this discussion - in the case on screen I think coutrt applied DC law which is a tad unusual on attachment

  Becky Burr:so the plaintiff controlled here

  Becky Burr:yes, David, you and I are on the same wavelength

  CW:For those of us who do not regularly follow the court cases, the exercise is very educational ,

  Mathieu Weill:+1 CW

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):indeed it is I am finding it very valuable....

  Becky Burr:correct Mattieu

  David McAuley (RySG):good point @Mathieu

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:Time Check - 15 minutes left in call

  Mathieu Weill:Fair shot Greg !

  Mathieu Weill:I will check back and report on list

  Mathieu Weill:I promise after the Pool case, you won't hear me any more ;-)

  David McAuley (RySG):Will do - I promised toi take two more and will do my best to get those out by early in week

  avri doria:i thnk it is great.

  David McAuley (RySG):I promised to do two more and will do best to get them out by Moiinday

  avri doria:and i promise to do mine as soon as i can

  CW:Will the completed forms be archived on the wiki?

  avri doria:do we have a drive template for these case thingies?

  avri doria:or do i make one by deleting from someone elses after i copy it over.

  David McAuley (RySG):oh joy

  Mathieu Weill:There is a template Avri

  Mathieu Weill:The link is somewhere...

  avri doria:will find it.

  avri doria:thanks

  Mathieu Weill:As the ancients say, "it's in the wiki"

  avri doria:yeah, just knowing something is there, is often all the clue one needs.

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):thanks everyone... bye for now...

  avri doria:bye

  Mathieu Weill:Thank you Greg !

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:bye all

  Wale Bakare:Thanks, bye

  Becky Burr:bye

  David McAuley (RySG):Thanks and bye all

  CW:B'ye.


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