00:11:26 Lianna Galstyan Լիաննա Գալստյան: Hi everyone
00:11:34 Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org: Welcome, All!
00:11:44 Maureen Hilyard: Hi everyone. Great to see you here :)
00:12:07 Ali AlMeshal: Hello everyone from Bahrain
00:12:21 Gopal Tadepalli: Greetings. - Dr. T V Gopal, Professor, Department of Computer Science and Engineering, College of Engineering, Guindy Campus, Anna University , Chennai, INDIA.
00:12:33 Herb Waye Ombuds: Greetings everyone… looking forward to ICANN74 and to see you all in person.
00:12:51 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: g'day @Herb
00:13:18 Gisella Gruber - ICANN Org: Wishing everyone a very warm welcome!
00:13:20 Jonathan Zuck: That's the plan at this point anyway
00:20:26 Judith Hellerstein: These protocols are very much like we had at the IGF
00:20:29 Jonathan Zuck: Surveys asking whether how we've been feeling and the health of those around us
00:21:00 Jonathan Zuck: every 3rd seat in the auditorium
00:21:03 Judith Hellerstein: At least this is better than the nomcom rules where they are having a third party company doing tests before each day
00:21:27 Jonathan Zuck: On film sets, we get tested 3 times a wekk
00:21:42 Judith Hellerstein: Yes but not every day
00:22:41 Shreedeep Rayamajhi: healthy safety with compulsory travel insurance should be a must
00:23:29 Eduardo Díaz - NARALO Chair: @Shreedeep: Who will pay for the insurance?
00:23:55 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Insurance has always been the responsibility of the traveller
00:24:06 Holly Raiche: @ Ed - exactly my question
00:24:20 Bill Jouris: @Shreedeep, here, "travel insurance" means insurance against not being able to travel. Is that what you are talking about?
00:24:29 Bill Jouris: If so, why would we care?
00:24:40 Sarah Kiden: I thought ICANN travel usually covers insurance during visa applications. Unless it’s a different kind
00:24:41 Eduardo Díaz - NARALO Chair: @Chryl: if that is the case then it can not be compulsory if that were the case.
00:24:47 Glenn McKnight, NARALO: Most insurance companies in Canada will now cover Covid.
00:24:54 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: travel Insurance often /should cover medical etc.,
00:26:00 Glenn McKnight, NARALO: For the past few years they refused to cover COVID but this has changed, ICANN doesn't cover travel health insurance.
00:28:07 Glenn McKnight, NARALO: The stipend is designed to offset your out of pocket expenses. this really can add up with airport parking, taxi, testing, health insurance etc
00:28:28 Allan Magezi: +1 Jonathan on legitimacy of some vaccines by the org
00:28:28 Eduardo Díaz - NARALO Chair: Are we not suppose to talk about the proposed meeting format, i.e., theme, plenary, pre-week etc.?
00:28:37 Shreedeep Rayamajhi: Travel insurance in case of any incident that may happens with in a certain period of time like tickets cancellationetc.. last time I was travelling was when my ticket got cancelled and I was stranded after the event
00:30:05 Glenn McKnight, NARALO: @shree ICANN buys the cheapest ticket, normally without insurance
00:31:02 Shreedeep Rayamajhi: yes glen thats what I am saying, anything can happen at anytime ....
00:31:09 Roberto Gaetano - NextGen Mentor: My questions were rather questions to staff, not intended to necessarily be addressed in this call, where I thought that the focus would be on the new meeting format - but I welcome any clarification on any aspect of the meeting
00:31:13 Gisella Gruber - ICANN Org: FAQ will have answers to some of these questions.
00:31:25 Gisella Gruber - ICANN Org: Room capacity is LIMITED
00:31:45 Roberto Gaetano - NextGen Mentor: I meant my questions in the email list
00:31:57 Jonathan Zuck: Oh, I thought we would just drown those people, Hadia
00:31:59 Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org: @Roberto, your questions have been noted
00:32:02 Judith Hellerstein: @gisella yes that is why I asked that question
00:32:23 Glenn McKnight, NARALO: Shree its an item we have suggested many many times just in your case as demonstrated. I have found cheaper flights with flight insurance but ICANN wants ICANN travel to do all the travel
00:32:41 Roberto Gaetano - NextGen Mentor: @heidi, and I had already a partial answer via email, so I am happy
00:32:45 Gisella Gruber - ICANN Org: @Judith - hopefully FAQ will answer most of our Community questions and if you are not able to find your answer, we will follow up
00:32:53 Judith Hellerstein: @hadia for nomcom, it was stated that is people test positive they will be made to stay in their hotel until they can be able to exit
00:32:58 Mouloud Khelif - ICANN73 Fellow: Are we also taking into account the requirements for entry into the EU / Netherlands ? especially for those travelling from outside the EU ?
00:33:22 Glenn McKnight, NARALO: look at the Rules set by NL
00:34:00 Glenn McKnight, NARALO: https://www.government.nl/topics/coronavirus-covid-19/visiting-the-netherlands-from-abroad
00:34:10 Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC-Participant): As initial thoughts, those are very good measures. Signup for sessions is a bit complicated, but as said more will come in this regard.
00:34:12 Eduardo Díaz - NARALO Chair: I read about having overflow rooms for the sessions. Does that mean that we will be like remote participants when that happens? If that is the case, what happens to a f2f interaction? Can we reserve our seats in the main room where things are being discussed?
00:36:19 Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC-Participant): What happens if someone tests positive? Quarantine, isolation, close contact ?
00:37:08 Shreedeep Rayamajhi: A lot of the times when we are doing hybrid meeting. the remote participation gets ignored so we will need more focused startegy approach for better efficiency and effectiveness
00:37:34 Eduardo Díaz - NARALO Chair: @Jonathan: I like the experiment of a thematic format. Who or how are these themes going to be determined?
00:37:40 Betty FAUSTA: +1 with Shreedeep
00:38:07 Holly Raiche: @ JZ - what about technical sessions that support the policy being discussed?
00:38:14 Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC-Participant): Good to try a thematic program structure
00:38:14 Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong: yes +1 Sheeedeep we need to have some Hub around the world to give more opportunities to community
00:38:46 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: I am confortable with the day 1 thematic approach on this Policy Forum
00:38:53 Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong: perso Remote participation and Hub community participation
00:39:16 Eduardo Díaz - NARALO Chair: @Hadia= You test positive for Covid you are basically ban from the f2f meeting. Problem is if you test positive the last day of the meeting and you suppose to take a plane. Who is going to pay for the trip change and who is going to cover your extra stay and per-diem?
00:39:21 Glenn McKnight, NARALO: Yes the remote hubs are a good idea with some guidance on how to set them up effectively, attendance, funding support etc
00:39:27 Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong: ALS can facilitate that with ICANN support like we did in IGF
00:39:35 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Do all remember there is a difference between a F2F Meeting with Remote Participation and a Hybrid Meeting Model
00:39:38 Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong: yes Glenn +1
00:39:41 Jonathan Zuck: @Holly, some technical sessions might fall under a thematic umbrella. The point is that this is POLICY FORUM and suggesting how that might be different.
00:39:58 Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org: @Holly - we are having a hard time hearing you
00:40:01 Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org: @Hadia
00:40:36 Eduardo Díaz - NARALO Chair: @Cheryl: What is the difference. We have had remote participation in these meeting always?
00:40:38 Holly Raiche: @ JZ - that is what II meant - tie technical sessions tied to the policy themes
00:40:44 Sivasubramanian M: Before the panedemic, when all meetings were face to face, the meeting format allowed zoom login by remote participants, a hybrid meeting would be no different, except that the ratio of remote participants to in-room participants woudl be different
00:40:56 Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org: Past plenary topics that had wide community interest could be suggested as well.
00:41:03 Glenn McKnight, NARALO: I too like the theme approach, the devil is in the detail, determination of the theme , perhaps we need some voting approach on the selection of the theme.
00:41:19 Shreedeep Rayamajhi: +1 glenn
00:41:36 Jonathan Zuck: But plenaries are separate from themes. Two different conversations. It's not about "hot topics' as much as current "work."
00:41:37 Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org: If a thematic theme is approved, then there might be only one plenary (if that).
00:41:39 Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC-Participant): +1 Maureen an inclusive topic
00:41:43 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Hybrid meeting design is all about participation engagement equity and thi=us is usually MORE expebsic=ve to yun than a F2F with Remote
00:42:23 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: ball park figures adds at least 15-50K additional to each for example concurrent session in a Hybrid over a Remote
00:42:57 Shreedeep Rayamajhi: virtual meeting was an eye opener regarding the participation and numbers ...
00:43:10 Sivasubramanian M: @Cheryl engagement equity wasn't a pronounced concern during f2f with remote, it becomes very important in a hybrid where the ratio is about half to half.
00:43:15 Eduardo Díaz - NARALO Chair: Is there a limit to the people that can attend?
00:43:17 Jonathan Zuck: I honestly think that's an impossibility. I think we need to ask how to make it the best possible experience for remote participants
00:43:25 Shreedeep Rayamajhi: +1 Maureen there is a greater need of looking into the session and enagagment
00:43:49 Jonathan Zuck: timezone management is definitely part of it
00:43:57 Sivasubramanian M: but I am surprised that it turns out to expensive. More expensive than an all f2f meeting?
00:44:13 Jonathan Zuck: ORG has worked hard to compress the virtual meetings into overlapping TZs
00:44:17 Judith Hellerstein: Hybrid meeting at the IGF was not like that as there were only a few hubs
00:44:19 Sivasubramanian M: ...turns out to be expensive...
00:44:38 Holly Raiche: What about the Transfer policy - what are the rules, do they protect all parties sufficiently, what technically works, what would requirements on an AuthInfo code look like for security?> Just a thoght
00:45:00 Judith Hellerstein: That is not what the IGF had. There hybrid hubs were not Interactive hubs
00:45:58 Shreedeep Rayamajhi: hybrid will work but there needs to be more work that has to be done regarding getting the interest and enagagment of the participation...
00:46:14 Glenn McKnight, NARALO: The IETF was last week, did anyone attend or have an opinion on their success? Also ARIN on the Road is in Phoenix this week
00:46:31 Eduardo Díaz - NARALO Chair: How are we going to manage a networking event at the end of each day where you need to be 6 feet apart and when drinking masks are usually off (or briefly off)?
00:46:42 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: exactly it is the additional audio and data that contributes to the additional costs
00:47:25 Sivasubramanian M: @Eduardo... Aren't these the least of our concerns, relative to health reated restrictions etc. ?
00:47:57 Sarah Kiden: If we explore hubs, would they be given support for their connectivity?
00:48:12 Eduardo Díaz - NARALO Chair: @Siva: I am concern about the overflow rooms.
00:48:25 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: and @Sarahh that also adds to costs
00:48:35 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: so you see why they are more expensive now?
00:48:48 Sarah Kiden: They are expensive and complex to implement
00:48:55 Sarah Kiden: Agree, Cheryl
00:48:56 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Yup
00:49:24 Jonathan Zuck: Might make sense to just continue the connectivity subsidy for the hybrid meetings. I don't know what it ended up costing
00:49:52 Jonathan Zuck: I feel like hubs are generally not worth it
00:50:16 Holly Raiche: @ JZ - why?
00:50:17 Sarah Kiden: @Jonathan, why not?
00:50:57 Sivasubramanian M: Given these concerns, for the Hague meeting, ICANN74 PC may have to explore the possibilities of chosing a venue large enough and open enough to allow the required 'space' for movement under all these health concerns. For example, a venue with rooms for 2000 participants actually seating 400, and a larger room if the size of the inroom participants is expected to be more, a venue with more open space, even an open space auditorium for some sessions, a venue with a garden for Tea or lunch etc.
00:51:11 Glenn McKnight, NARALO: The remote hubs will be very important especially for membership restricted by NL travel bans from various countries. Look at the NL site on their rules
00:51:18 Judith Hellerstein: Adam Peake is the co chair of the hybrid meeting working group at the IGF so he can help out. Iam also happy to put items on the google doc
00:51:57 Glenn McKnight, NARALO: If I recall Ron Da Silva had lots of experience in Hybrid meetings in past year
00:52:12 Sarah Kiden: I might be the only one worried but 2 months sounds like a very short time to plan all this
00:52:30 Glenn McKnight, NARALO: Yes Sarah your worries are very valid
00:52:41 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: yup again
00:52:41 Jonathan Zuck: And shared by all
00:53:13 Judith Hellerstein: Visas also will be an issue for many
00:53:23 Marita: I don't think there will be enough to report on the GPI framework
00:53:33 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: I agree @Marita
00:53:39 Marita: in terms of new stuff
00:54:07 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: certainly a Hot Topic I would say @eB
00:54:19 Sivasubramanian M: one of the previous slides mentioned a session on Geopolitics. What would that session be about?
00:54:20 Marita: Prioritization or something around that might be interesting.
00:54:37 Bill Jouris: We may find ourselves doing a Theme Day, as with the hybrid meeting, not so much for itself as a beta test. That is, for the chance to fine out what problems crop up that we hadn't thought of. So we can do better next time.
00:54:38 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: too erly on that as well IMO @Marita
00:54:44 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: early
00:54:51 Jonathan Zuck: There will definitely be a prioritization meeting of some sort. Might be worth making it unconflicted
00:55:03 Marita: yes, maybe next time on that also @Cheryl
00:55:45 Jonathan Zuck: How about the increasing fracturing of the root?
00:56:20 Marita: Is it time for different constituencies to speak publically about their priorities.
00:56:42 Marita: in an uncnflicted session
00:56:43 Holly Raiche: @ JZ - yes - what about a follow up from the session with Jeff and the issues arising from blockchaoi>
00:56:55 Holly Raiche: sorry - blockchain
00:57:12 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: YES to Theme
00:57:22 Jonathan Zuck: I was actually thinking, @Holly, about the China and Russia and the idea of a localized root and whether that has had an impact
00:57:26 Bill Jouris: Theme - worth a try
00:57:29 Yrjo Lansipuro: This is the new European law Sébastien was referring to: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20220315IPR25504/deal-on-digital-markets-act-ensuring-fair-competition-and-more-choice-for-users
00:57:43 Holly Raiche: @ Marita - agree but I”m thinking it isn’t can overarching theme
00:57:46 Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org: We can also have people use a green check or red x
00:57:54 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Day 1
00:57:55 Sarah Kiden: We can give it a try
00:58:00 Mouloud Khelif - ICANN73 Fellow: Thanks @Yrjo
00:59:00 Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond: 30 seconds is sufficient
00:59:03 Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC-Participant): Fracturing of the root and blockchain are both good ideas. They can also fit in one theme.
00:59:04 Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond: :-)
00:59:10 Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org: Was blockchain agreed as a possible plenary topic?
00:59:12 Roberto Gaetano - NextGen Mentor: Yes, 30”
00:59:49 Bill Jouris: Wel, THAT'S clear!
00:59:57 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: indeed :-)
01:00:03 Holly Raiche: @JZ/OCL - I like the idea of tying the fracturing the root and block chain.
01:00:14 Greg Shatan: It’s not really a theme without costumes….
01:00:18 Eduardo Díaz - NARALO Chair: @Holly: me too!
01:00:33 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Always happy to dress up @Greg
01:00:46 Chokri Ben Romdhane: yes please @Holly great suggestion
01:01:22 Jonathan Zuck: so @Heidi, the plenary could be "conflict in the root" which could bring up alternative roots such as Russia and China as well as blockchain such as ETH
01:01:40 Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org: What would be the issue re blockchain?
01:01:52 Holly Raiche: Does Reputation Block lists fit in?
01:02:29 Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org: @JZ, thanks!
01:03:28 Sivasubramanian M: @Jonathan If we are discussing alternative roots such as that of Russia and China as you have suggested, it would be nice if we could positively explore ways of persuading these countries to stay global.
01:03:34 Holly Raiche: @ Heidi - the issue raised by Jeff in the block chain session was the challenge it poses to ICANN processes - he argued it was a reason to speed up introducing more new gTLDs and I was looking forward to him explaining why
01:03:41 Jonathan Zuck: @Marita, how would the others possibly measure up?
01:04:47 Marita: Okay, we would just be showing off @JZ
01:04:50 Jonathan Zuck: Of course, @Heidi, the sun rising is a reason to hurry up with a new round for Jeff...
01:05:17 Holly Raiche: @JZ
01:05:22 Eduardo Díaz - NARALO Chair: If we choose a theme then the plenary has to be oriented around that theme. Otherwise, why having a theme.
01:05:53 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: no need to have plenary in a Theme day IMO
01:05:59 Chokri Ben Romdhane: I Would like to suggest "End users data in the ICANN open data platform"
01:06:02 Jonathan Zuck: @Eduardo, themes and plenaries are different. Themes were meant to focus on current work
01:06:22 Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org: Noted, @Chokri
01:06:37 Roberto Gaetano - NextGen Mentor: @Ed I thought the them was just for one day, not an overarching theme for the whole meeting, affecting the plenaries
01:06:55 Glenn McKnight, NARALO: Themes are a good way to focus the discussion, especially important in regards to the policy discussion
01:06:59 Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org: We can go over 10 mins if needed
01:07:03 Carlos Dionisio Aguirre: maybe a theme could be ¿How we can identify abusives domains? and how we can act against they. my two cents
01:07:13 Holly Raiche: @ Roberto - that was my understanding - that there are other sessions as well
01:07:36 Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org: Noted, @Carlos
01:08:24 Eduardo Díaz - NARALO Chair: @Jonathan: I was under the impression tat if there is a Theme the whole meeting should rotate around that theme otherwise why having a theme (exmaple) around “electric cars” and have a plenary about how to make hamburgers.
01:08:28 Jonathan Zuck: @roberto, that's right
01:08:49 Bill Jouris: Definitely going to need a decision on what constitutes a valid demonstration of vaccination.
01:09:09 Jonathan Zuck: @Eduardo. That's NOT the case and in particular plenaries wouldn't follow the theme. The themes are about preparation advantages.
01:09:09 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Yes it is a rapidy changing landscape still
01:10:11 Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org: We have noted them.
01:10:51 Alan Greenberg: Indeed. South Korea which has had it pretty easy till now is currently reporting 2,000,000 new cases per week.
01:10:51 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Bye for now then...
01:10:54 Bill Jouris: Not only changing, but subject to change of direction of changes
01:10:56 Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong: Thanks Merci bye bye
01:10:58 Raymond Mamattah: How will there be social distancing during meals and drink up
01:11:13 Lianna Galstyan Լիաննա Գալստյան: Thanks everyone
01:11:17 Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC-Participant): Thank you for this call. Bye for now
01:11:23 Betty FAUSTA: bye all
01:11:32 Lilian Ivette Deluque: bye
01:11:40 CMR CAPDA Michel TCHONANG LINZE: Thank bye all
01:11:54 Betty FAUSTA: don't forger FRENCH TRANSLATOR next time
01:12:12 CMR CAPDA Michel TCHONANG LINZE: +1
01:12:29 Claudia Ruiz - ICANN Org: @Betty we requested FR interpretation but the interpreters were not available, apologies
01:12:52 Yrjo Lansipuro: In addition to the geopolitical forum, there might a be plenary on the impact on the internet by the war that is going on
01:12:53 Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org: @Betty, the call was organised over the weekend, so shorter than we normally plan meetings.
01:12:55 Sivasubramanian M: Thank you all.
01:13:03 Jonathan Zuck: it's all because Europeans have such long summer breaks!
01:13:21 Holly Raiche: I knew it was their fault??
01:13:23 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Count me in @G
01:13:25 Jonathan Zuck: it's almost as though work isn't your whole life!
01:13:35 Chokri Ben Romdhane: Thank you all
01:13:45 Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org: Many thanks!!
01:13:50 Daniel K Nanghaka: thank you all
01:13:54 Herb Waye Ombuds: Take care everyone, stay safe and be kind
01:13:54 Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC-Participant): Thank you
01:13:57 Allan Magezi: Thank you
01:13:57 Daniel K Nanghaka: Bye
01:14:02 Sarah Kiden: Thank you!
01:14:03 Raymond Mamattah: Bye
01:14:03 Allan Magezi: Bye
