Attendees: 

Sub-group Members:   Amrita Vasudevan, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, David McAuley, Erich Schweighofer, Greg Shatan, Griffin Barnett, Kavouss Arasteh, Mathieu Weill, Pedro da Silva, Phil Marano, Philip Corwin, Tom Dale, Wale Bakare   (13)

Observers/Guests:  Javier Rua-Jovet, Ryan Carroll  (2)

Staff:  Bernard Turcotte, Brenda Brewer, Karen Mulberry, Patrick Dodson   (4)

Apologies:  Vinay Kesari, Finn Petersen

 

 ** If your name is missing from attendance or apology, please send note to acct-staff@icann.org **


Transcript

Recording

Agenda

1. Welcome

2. Discussion of reformulated “experience” questions

3. Discussion of additional question

a. Formulation of question

b. Whether to include the question

4. Mechanics and details of the questionnaire process

a. Introduction to questions

b. Review by CCWG

c. How to send out

d. Who to send it to

e. How to collect responses

5. Discussion of “Influence of ICANN’s existing jurisdiction” document

6. AOB

7. Adjourn

Notes: (including relevant portions of the chat):

1. Welcome

Greg Shatan:  Vinay Kasari unfortunately unavailable. Also we are compeeting with IGF. Any changes to SOI's? (none)_.

2. Discussion of reformulated “experience” questions

Greg Shatan: Any input on the 3 questions as circulated?

David McAuley: Thank you for getting us here GS - Am not a fan of these questions but given the discussions this is the best we can get.

Greg Shatan: any objections to starting the process to publishing these?

David McAuley: I gather we have not decided on the process?

Greg Shatan: Correct DM - process for this is point 4 on our agenda today. No other comments so these 3 are good. Let us now look at the additional question (#4)

3. Discussion of additional question

a. Formulation of question

Greg Shatan: We have rough consensus on the previous questions but not on this one. Neither do we have a stable draft of this question. Any comments on the question.

David McAuley: Does not specify a point of view and could cause issues in analyzing the responses.

Greg Shatan: Question used to be WHAT DO YOU THINK and then mutated.

Pedro da Silva: Generally I favour more straightforward and general type questions - however given the inputs I would support this proposed text - but this question HAS to be part of the questions.

Greg Shatan: Any other comments? Given the limited number of people participating we will have to put this on the list. Let us now talk about including the question.

b. Whether to include the question

Javier Rua-Jovet: If I may, I feel this question is quite clear, balanced and straightforward.

Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): yes indeed to the list

Pedro da Silva - [GAC Brasil]: I have already expressed my viewpoint about this in my comment

David McAuley: I do not support asking this question.

Phil Corwin: Share DM's misgivings and do not really support sending it out.

Greg Shatan: To PC I would note that there is a footnote.

Cheryl Langdon-Orr: You can count me as not in favour of sending this out. Fluffy questions get fluffy answers - in the end it gives very little results.

Greg Shatan: Temperature check - support for sending the question? (2 for 5 against). Consistent with discussions on the list. Given the low numbers we should put this back on the list.

David McAuley (RySG): appropriate for list, agreed

Pedro sa Silva: IGF is an issue. should go to the list.

Greg Shatan: will work with staff about how to poll the group on this.

4. Mechanics and details of the questionnaire process

Greg Shatan: KA has brought up that the questions should go to the plenary.

     a. Introduction to questions

Greg Shatan: the SOAC questions had an introduction. I think this would be very important in our case. Any thoughts on this? some support no objections - would need a drafting team. General agreement. DM has offered to help draft.

     b. Review by CCWG

Mathieu Weill: The precedent we have set with the SOAC sub-group should be the basis for this. As such the questions should be shared with the plenary for approval.

     c. How to send out

Greg Shatan: ICANN community or wider?

Pedro da Silva: I would support wider distribution and should not be restricted and we should use the standard ICANN public consultation.

David Mcauley: Depends on expected turn around time.

Greg Shatan: Not really looking at trying to use the formal ICANN Public Consultation. This is not what this is. May not be practical to send this out prior to end of year if we need Plenary approval (next meeting is Dec. 14 and the Jan 11).

     d. Who to send it to

     e. How to collect responses

David McAuley (RySG): if we go free form pdf we need a word limit

Greg Shatan: We have some tendencies as to a process - we will gather these and send to the list.

5. Discussion of “Influence of ICANN’s existing jurisdiction” document

Greg Shatan: Need to regain our momentum on these documents.

Mathieu Weill: The sub-groups were made for working.

David McAuley: As an original sceptic of Google docs I can say that once you get in it its fine.

6. AOB

Greg Shatan: any AOB (none) Action Item - Staff to recirculate Google Docs Primer link to this sub-group.

Brenda Brewer: For Google Doc assistance - please see tutorial:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeFJvXhFJd8[youtube.com]

Mathieu Weill: Let's also acknowledge that some colleagues do not get access to Google Doc as part of their employers IT security policies

Mathieu Weill: Comments via PDF and emails should be ok

7. Adjourn

Greg Shatan: Adjourned.

Action Items

  • Action Item - Staff to recirculate Google Docs Primer link to this sub-group.

Documents Presented

Chat Transcript

 Brenda Brewer:Welcome to the Jurisdiction Subgroup Meeting #12 on 5 December 2016 @ 19:00 UTC!

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:hello all

  David McAuley (RySG):Hi Brenda, I am 4154

  Brenda Brewer:Thank you, David!!

  David McAuley (RySG):I imagine many of our usual attendees are busy at IGF

  Greg Shatan:Good point, David.

  Mathieu Weill:Hello everyone

  Pedro da Silva - [GAC Brasil]:Hello all

  David McAuley (RySG):I know those kinds of calls well

  Javier Rua-Jovet:Hello to all. I'm the new ALAC North America rep.

  David McAuley (RySG):Hello Javier, welcome

  Wale Bakare:Hi everyone

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):no objection

  David McAuley (RySG):so the tally of objections/support will include this call and list entires, I believe

  David McAuley (RySG):list entries, I meant

  David McAuley (RySG):OK, I understand, thanks Greg

  Javier Rua-Jovet:If I may, I feel this question is quite clear, balanced and straiightforward.

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):yes indeed to the list

  Pedro da Silva - [GAC Brasil]:I have already expressed my viewpoint about this in my comment

  Greg Shatan:@Pedro, thanks, noted.

  David McAuley (RySG):I thought so too but agree in principle w/Pedro that repetition is not meant to add heft

  David McAuley (RySG):I think it is broader based on footnote

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):it will be a problem to analyse if the answers are too diffuse

  Javier Rua-Jovet:I think the issue of corporate jurisdiction is dealt with in the footnote.

  David McAuley (RySG):we have moved from dying in a ditch to falling upon a sword

  David McAuley (RySG):nice term

  Pedro da Silva - [GAC Brasil]:I have a comment

  Pedro da Silva - [GAC Brasil]:sure

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):same as list

  David McAuley (RySG):appropriate for list, agreed

  David McAuley (RySG):Agree w/Pedro - this is too small and folks on list should have an opportunity to show temperature

  Wale Bakare:+1 to the mailing list

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:time check 30 minutes left

  David McAuley (RySG):I agree a preface is important

  Mathieu Weill:+1, and will aslo be useful for the plenary CCWG

  David McAuley (RySG):I can help draft

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:45 days

  David McAuley (RySG):good points Bernie

  Mathieu Weill:Reviewing schedule now...

  Mathieu Weill:Jan 11th is the 1st plenary in 2017

  Mathieu Weill:(thanks Bernie)

  David McAuley (RySG):if we go free form pdf we need a word limit

  David McAuley (RySG):another nice term: the lonely scrivener

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Bernie sent out a link before

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: Time Check - 5 minutes left

  David McAuley (RySG):no AOB here

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:Will do

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):it was some time ago

  Mathieu Weill:Let's also acknowledge that some colleagues do not get access to Google Doc as part of their employers IT security policies

  Mathieu Weill:Comments via PDF and emails should be ok

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):of course,  but there are a

  David McAuley (RySG):will do

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):ways to get around that as a limiting factor

  Brenda Brewer:For Google Doc assistance - please see tutorial:  https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DCeFJvXhFJd8-5Byoutube.com-5D&d=DgICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=kbiQDH54980u4nTPfwdloDLY6-6F24x0ArAvhdeDvvc&m=WUXswym9Ph4he1NRJ8A58FNADK7KmGw3kk5s63ZR8NM&s=VKGCqo1Wu_rocDfAQamhj-59ZadsA-WlKgXIFMgPg8U&e=

  Mathieu Weill:Agree Greg, I think the group has been careful to remain inclusive

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):yup

  David McAuley (RySG):Thanks Greg, staff and all, good bye

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):thanks all...  bye for now...

  Mathieu Weill:Thanks Greg, Thanks everyone

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:bye all

  Wale Bakare:Thanks Greg. Bye everyone

  Greg Shatan:Thanks and bye all!



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