Attendees:
Sub-group Members: Alberto Soto, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, Farzaneh Badiei, Klaus Stoll, Phil Khoury, Sebastien Bachollet.
Observers/Guests:
Staff: Angie Graves, Bernard Turcotte, Lars Hoffmann, Yvette Guigneaux. | Jamie – CART Support / Marie Fresch – captioner.
Apologies: Avri Doria, Asha Hemrajani
** If your name is missing from attendance or apology, please send note to acct-staff@icann.org **
Transcript
Recording
Agenda
Roll Call / Apologies –Welcome
External review of the ICANN Ombuds Office
Last comments from the subteam, Q&A
Next Steps
Last Final report
PoV of the subteam on each of the recommendations
Next Meetings
AOB
Raw Captioning Notes
CART Disclaimer: This rough edit transcript, which may contain missing, misspelled or paraphrased words, is only provided for your immediate review and is not certified as verbatim and is not to be cited in any way. Official transcript will be posted 2-3 days after the call
Decisions:
- Report of the external evaluator accepted (no objections)
Action Items:
- SB – produce a draft schedule for the group going forward and an updated version of the initial draft report for the next call.
Requests:
- (none)
Documents Presented
Chat Transcript
Yvette Guigneaux: (7/19/2017 10:40) Hi all and welcome to the Ombudsman Subgroup | Meeting #26 | 19 July 2017 @ 19:00 UTC!
Yvette Guigneaux: (10:40) If you are not speaking, please mute your phone by pressing *6 (star 6). This call is recorded.
Yvette Guigneaux: (10:40) Reminder to all, please speak slowly and state your name before speaking for the Captioner.
Yvette Guigneaux: (11:31) Hi Jamie - can you see the room?
Jamie- CART Support: (11:32) Hi- no video. I just see the powerpoint and captioning pod
Yvette Guigneaux: (11:32) perfect - i'll promote you to host so you can check out your caption pod
Jamie- CART Support: (11:32) thank you so much!
Yvette Guigneaux: (11:32) audio will be starting 10 min before the call
Yvette Guigneaux: (11:32) you're welcome
Yvette Guigneaux: (11:33) also Jamie - once you get connected to the caption pod - i would like to do a sound check with you
Yvette Guigneaux: (11:33) can you let me know when you're connected?
Yvette Guigneaux: (11:33) as it looks red at the moment
Yvette Guigneaux: (11:39) Jamie - did you receive my request for sound check after you connect?
Yvette Guigneaux: (11:51) Jamie - requesting sound check
Yvette Guigneaux: (11:52) can you hear me?
Marie Fresch: (11:52) Will you make me a host, please?
Jamie- Captioning - CART Support: (11:53) hi- no i dont hear you
Marie Fresch: (11:53) Thank you
Yvette Guigneaux: (11:53) Hi Marie - are you caprtioning as well?
Yvette Guigneaux: (11:53) we haven't met before - if you could let me know who you are i would appreciate that
Yvette Guigneaux: (11:54) hello?
Jamie- Captioning - CART Support: (11:55) Marie is the captioner
Marie Fresch: (11:55) I am the captioner
Jamie- Captioning - CART Support: (11:55) I am just here to get her set up
Yvette Guigneaux: (11:55) ah ok thank you
Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (11:57) hello all
Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (11:58) Sebastien is on a mobile in a train station at the moment.
Marie Fresch - captioning: (12:00) I have Mr. Bachollet as your main speaker, is that correct?
Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (12:01) we will be starting in about 3 minutes
Alberto Soto: (12:01) Hello everyone!
Yvette Guigneaux: (12:01) yes Marie
Marie Fresch - captioning: (12:01) Thank you
Yvette Guigneaux: (12:02) the person you just heard now is Bernard Turcotte
Marie Fresch - captioning: (12:02) Thank you
Farzaneh Badiei: (12:12) independence of ombuds employment won't be maintained by a fixed term
Farzaneh Badiei: (12:13) It is not one person in many cases
Farzaneh Badiei: (12:13) it's an office and it's external
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (12:18) of course we can look forward to wider ICANN Community input on this as well as other Reason
Farzaneh Badiei: (12:19) and the other problem is that the office is internal. external dispute resolution mechanisms bring more neutrality and independence.
Farzaneh Badiei: (12:21) sure Sebastien
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (12:21) yes and so reliable and predictable... look at Ind DR in last new gTLD round
Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (12:24) hand
Lars Hoffmann: (12:25) +1 Bernie
Farzaneh Badiei: (12:25) no I am not looking at it as the final report. I am commenting on this comment. you asked for comments
Phil Khoury: (12:27) Agreed Farzaneh - an external ombuds is more independent - however rarely used in a 'single' organisation. Feedback we received led us to think that a robustly separate 'internal' Ombuds was closer to being accepted than an 'external' model. But of course that is a possibility. Phil
Farzaneh Badiei: (12:27) thanks Phil
Klaus Stoll: (12:29) Who is ICANN on Recommendation 11. ICANN.org, the empowered community, both?
Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (12:30) ICANN the Trinity
Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (12:30) (quoting Avri)
Klaus Stoll: (12:32) Thank for the clarification. We ned to be very clear about this nowadays.
Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (12:33) Time Check - 27 Minutes left in call
Alberto Soto: (12:35) I do not think I can live in isolation from the community. It is the way of knowing the reality of it. He does not do it to make friends, and in his choice this is taken into account.
Farzaneh Badiei: (12:36) yes but I'd like my comments to be considered in this group and be reported to CCWG
Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (12:38) Farzaneh - usual process is that if you do not feel your comments were accomodated in the draft recommendations of the this group - whenever this group completes these - you can always ask for a minority stmt to be included - but we seem to be far from that yet
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (12:38) I just don't want us to get caught up in what *may* be minority views at this stage
Farzaneh Badiei: (12:38) Alberto, ombuds does not have to mingle with the community to understand it. where in the world ombuds mingles and makes friends with the potential complainants?
Farzaneh Badiei: (12:38) it's not really minority view
Farzaneh Badiei: (12:39) you are opposed my view cheryl
Farzaneh Badiei: (12:39) who else is in this group? Avri would support
Farzaneh Badiei: (12:39) (I think)
Klaus Stoll: (12:39) Let's not speculate what people think.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (12:40) or the wider ICANN community
Farzaneh Badiei: (12:40) Avri told me she would support the first iteration of my comment. she might not agree with all I said here but she said that.
Farzaneh Badiei: (12:42) so what I am saying is minority view in this group? no one supports it? if so I will take it to CCWG
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (12:43) everything goes there
Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (12:43) Farzaneh - the recommendations from this group can have a minority stmt.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (12:43) we are just glorified pennholders for drafting of early docs
Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (12:43) It happened in SOAC acct
Farzaneh Badiei: (12:44) who is the penholder? who is making the report? can they take my comment into account? I can file a minority statement otherwise
Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (12:46) Farzneh - regardless who holds the pen the draft report has to be approved by this group before it goes to the plenary and if you feel at that point your points have not been properly considered you can certainly bring these up at the plenary when the document comes up for a reading
Farzaneh Badiei: (12:46) so where is the report?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (12:47) trying to get to that Farming
Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (12:47) Farzneh - that is what this group has to develop
Farzaneh Badiei: (12:47) so lets do it :)
Klaus Stoll: (12:47) we are trying to get to that point.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (12:47) Farzi sorry auto correct
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (12:48) that is what this group is doing
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (12:48) or trying to
Klaus Stoll: (12:49) If any drafting help is needed, I am available to help.
Farzaneh Badiei: (12:49) ok you have a volunteer Seb
Farzaneh Badiei: (12:50) Klaus volunteered :)
Farzaneh Badiei: (12:51) great. lets start drafting our report
Farzaneh Badiei: (12:52) I wish I had more time to help
Lars Hoffmann: (12:52) @cheryl - you hit the nail on the head.
Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (12:52) +1 cheryl
Klaus Stoll: (12:52) We are all busy so we need to make choices where we put our energies.
Farzaneh Badiei: (12:52) I am not disputing any of what Cheryl is saying. lets just get drafting our report
Alberto Soto: (12:53) I agree Cheryl
Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (12:53) 7 minutes to top of the hour
Alberto Soto: (12:55) No problem, Sebastien
Alberto Soto: (12:57) Bay!!!!
Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (12:57) bye all
Farzaneh Badiei: (12:57) bye
