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Jimm Phillips: (10/19/2015 09:57) What's the url for the captioning
>transcript?
> MTS - Chuck: (09:58)
>https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=Auditorium19Oct2015
> Jimm Phillips: (09:58) thanks!
> Mathieu Weill, ccNSO, co-chair: (10:21) Hello and welcome
> Alice Jansen: (10:21) Welcome to the Enhancing ICANN Accountability
>Engagement Session I! Please note that this session is being
>recorded.ll chat sessions are being archivedand follow the ICANN
>Expected Standards of
>Behavior:http://www.icann.org/en/nes/in-focus/accountability/expected-s
>tan dards. Hillary and I are the voice for remote participants and will
>be reading your comments and questions today. When submitting
>comment/question that you want me to read out loud of the mic,please
>provid your name and affiliation if you have one then startyour
>sentence with a <COMMENT>/<QUESTION> and end it with
><COMMENT>/<QUESTION>. Text outsidethese quotes will be considered as
>part of chat and will not be read out loud on the mic.
> Becky Burr: (10:23) hello all
> Jordan Carter (.nz, WP1 rapporteur): (10:23) hi all - we'll try and
>keep an eye on the room too
> Sébastien (ALAC): (10:25) Thanks Jordan
> Sébastien (ALAC): (10:26) Good to do that in different languages
> Sébastien (ALAC): (10:26) I know that it is not easy
> Sidley: (10:27) Sidley in the participants list is Holly Gregory.
> Dietmar Stefitz: (10:29) Is there a way to switch to original
>language in his platform?
> Cheryl Langdon-Orr - CLO: (10:29) thanks for that I'd Holly
> Sébastien (ALAC): (10:29) No in Adobe just one canal (in english)
> Alice Jansen: (10:29) Links to all languages are available on session
>page
>https://meetings.icann.org/en/dublin54/schedule/mon-enhancing-accountab
>ili
>ty
> Sébastien (ALAC): (10:30) but you can joint other tool with other
>languages
> Holly J. Gregory (Sidley): (10:30) I have resigned in now .
> Dietmar Stefitz: (10:30) Thanks
> Seun Ojedeji: (10:32) You resigned @Holly?
> Holly J. Gregory (Sidley): (10:33) No. Apologies -- I have signed
>in again
> Cheryl Langdon-Orr - CLO: (10:33) auto correct. Holly re assigned her
>name
> Cheryl Langdon-Orr - CLO: (10:36) we also welcome a hub joining us
>from Pakistan... WELCOME
> Dave Kissoondoyal: (10:42) Will the decisions of the IRP be final or
>they can be overuled by any other instance
> Becky Burr: (10:44) the decisions of the IRP may be appealed in
>specified circumstances to the entire 7 member panel
> Becky Burr: (10:46) also, the IRP does not tell ICANN "how" it must
>resolve a bylaw violation. It will determine whether an action or
>inaction violated the bylaws, then ICANN must decide how to address the
>problem.
> David McAuley (RySG): (10:46) Alice, can you post URL to the scribe
>caption?
> Dave Kissoondoyal: (10:46)
>https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=Auditorium19Oct2015
> David McAuley (RySG): (10:46) Thanks Dave
> Alice Jansen: (10:46) Thanks, Dave !
> Dave Kissoondoyal: (10:46) Welcome
> David McAuley (RySG): (10:48) Good points, thanks Becky
> Cheryl Langdon-Orr - CLO: (10:52) welcome to the hub from Brazil
> Cheryl Langdon-Orr - CLO: (10:53) we now have hubs running. in
>Kenya, Dubai, Pakistan and Brazil
> Alice Jansen: (10:55) Reminder - When submitting a comment/question
>that you would like to read out loud of the mic, please start your
>sentence with <COMMENT>/<QUESTION> and end it with <COMMENT>/<QUESTION>
> Bruce Tonkin: (10:56) Great slides. Is a copy of those slides
>available somewhere?
> Mathieu Weill, ccNSO, co-chair: (10:57) Great work by Hillary, Alice,
>XPLANE and staff !
> Hillary Jett: (10:57) @Bruce the slides were circulated to the CCWG
>here:
>http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/accountability-cross-community/2015-Octob
>er/
>006966.html
> Matthew Shears: (10:57) yes, good clear slides - should consider
>using more of these visuals in the next iteration of the proposal
> Jordan Carter (.nz, WP1 rapporteur): (10:58) Definitely will be, M.
> robin Gross [GNSO - NCSG]: (10:58) yes, great pictures
> Alice Jansen: (10:59) You can also find the slides on the
>CCWG-Accountability wiki -
>https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=56143659
> Anne Aikman-Scalese - IPC: (11:00) This is an excellent presentation
>- very clear and easy to understand. Thank you!
> Alan Greenberg: (11:00) I think that Steve said 2 ACs plus @ SOs. I
>thought is was any 4 ACs or SOs.
> Steve DelBianco [GNSO - CSG]: (11:01) Right, Alan
> Jordan Carter (.nz, WP1 rapporteur): (11:01) as per the slide as it
>shows now
> Anne Aikman-Scalese - IPC: (11:01) @Alann - I think any two can raise
>at early stage after pre-call - later taking action requires 4 I think
>if there are 7 participating.
> Alan Greenberg: (11:03) @Anne. yes. I *thought* I heard Steve say
>that to exercicise a poer requiring 4, this it required 2 ACs plus 2
>SOs. and I thought it was any 4 ACs or SOs.. I can live wih either, I
>was just asking which it was.
> Alice Jansen: (11:05) You are more than welcome to ask questions and
>provide input. When submitting a comment/question that you would like
>to read out loud of the mic, please start your sentence with
><COMMENT>/<QUESTION> and end it with <COMMENT>/<QUESTION>
> Anne Aikman-Scalese - IPC: (11:06) @Alan - I think I thought any 4 of
>the 7, not two from each. Steve?
> Steve DelBianco [GNSO - CSG]: (11:06) @Alan -- the proposal is that
>ANY
>4 of the 7 ACs and SOs would signal support for exercising a Community
>Power such as blocking a budget, approving a fundamental bylaw,
>recalling the entire board
> Holly J. Gregory (Sidley): (11:06) Great slides -- well done Hillary,
>Alice, XPLANE and staff (+1 @Mathieu)
> Steve DelBianco [GNSO - CSG]: (11:07) The support threshold would any
>3 ACs/SOs for exercising community powers to block a regular bylaw,
>remove an individual director, or launch a community-based IRP
> robin Gross [GNSO - NCSG]: (11:08) people have to climb over desks to
>get to the microphone though
> Anne Aikman-Scalese - IPC: (11:09) Thanks Steve. Okay - so at
>present we have two classes of community powers - one that requires 3
>of the 7 and one that requries 4 of the 7.
> Jay Sudowski (I2C): (11:11) Just came here to say the same thing
>about the micrphone situation, it is not very well setup for people
>being able to get to the microphones
> Steve DelBianco [GNSO - CSG]: (11:11) And our proposed consensus rule
>would require those levels of support and no more than 1 objection from
>ACs/SOs
> Anne Aikman-Scalese - IPC: (11:11) Could the sound people activate
>some roving mikes?
> Arthur Zonnenberg: (11:12) <QUESTION> What influence will these
>community powers give to contracted parties when renegotiating their
>own contract? <QUESTION>
> robin Gross [GNSO - NCSG]: (11:12) good idea, Anne
> Alice Jansen: (11:14) Thank you for your question, Arthur. My
>colleague
>- Hillary - will read it in the room.
> Hillary Jett: (11:16) @Anne, Robin, unfortunately we do not have
>roving microphones. Apologies for any inconvenience.
> James Gannon: (11:18) Its near impossible to get people our of seats
>and up to the mics
> Milton Mueller: (11:19) QUESTION: There were many public comments
>questioning the role of ACs in the membership or designator structure.
>Why has the group on stage not commeted on this? It is unclear whether
>ACs and SOs should have the same status/QUESTION
> Jay Sudowski (I2C): (11:20) <QUESTION> With regards to the caretaker
>budget, has any consideration been given to the potential impacts to
>human capital at ICANN? Would employees of ICANN continue to get paid
>during this kind of dispute
> Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (11:22) @Jay, this is a great question and has
>been raised. Xavier is considering carefully what would go into a
>caretaker budget. As discussed we would not send anyone home but we
>might hold off on making the 5 new hires for proejct X, for example.
>The point would be to minimize any "human" suffering as the result of a veto.
> Jordan Carter (.nz, WP1 rapporteur): (11:23) Bertrand's points have
>been canvassed and considered carefully by the CCWG but the bulk of
>feedback supports the proposed approach.
> Dave Kissoondoyal: (11:24) Very good question from Bertrand
> Jordan Carter (.nz, WP1 rapporteur): (11:24) The process stepped out
>on the slide is designed to make sure the community perspectives are
>expressed and listened to
> Jordan Carter (.nz, WP1 rapporteur): (11:24) but we could not, based
>on the feedback we have had, move the proposal to be in line with the
>opinion he has expressed
> JJS: (11:24) @Bertrand +1.
> Brett Schaefer: (11:26) Jonathan -- I just arrived in the room, so I
>appologize if you covered this, but is the amount of the caretaker
>budget still under discussion? The Board wanted the previous budget
>plus 10 percent, which strikes me as lessening the pressure on the
>Board to heed community concerns that led to the veto in teh first place.
> Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (11:29) Hi Brett. It's a new concept. the
>"caretaker" budget is the minimum budget for the organization to run so
>it's actually a lower number than this or any year's budget
> Dave Kissoondoyal: (11:29) waiting for the term to end and not
>re-electing the board member as mentioned by Chris Despain franckly
>defeats the element of accoutability as the board member could just be
>elected and waiting the end of his full term to totally unacceptable
> Brett Schaefer: (11:30) Jonathan, thanks. A better approach.
> Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (11:31) yes, inspiration from Cherine
> Alice Jansen: (11:36) Co-Chairs have just announced that the queue is
>now closed. Please note that the CCWG-Accountability will receive a
>transcript of this chat. You are more than welcome to keep posting
>comments.
> Jordan Carter (.nz, WP1 rapporteur): (11:37) Ken Stubbs: the answer
>to your question is in Para 407 of the second draft proposal: "No new
>call to consider the removal of that same director can be made during
>the term they are serving on the Board following a vote to remove them
>failing or no decision being made."
> Cheryl Langdon-Orr - CLO: (11:40) reminder ifvyou have questions and
>can not make the microphone list Please type your question here inChat
> Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (11:40) WE have a working session coming up soon
>so that will be a good time for those who just sat down to get back to
>the microphone
> Chris Disspain: (11:42) Mathieu..superbly well handlded re the queue
> Jordan Carter (.nz, WP1 rapporteur): (11:46) this session will run to
>11.50am
> Jordan Carter (.nz, WP1 rapporteur): (11:49) Working session begins
>at 2pm at Liffey B
> Cheryl Langdon-Orr - CLO: (11:49) allwelcome to that session. and we
>will have more engagement sessions later in the week...
> Wolfgang: (11:50) Axel 1+
> Alice Jansen: (11:50) You can listen to the CCWG-Accountability's
>working session taking place today at 13:00-17:30 UTC - see
>https://meetings.icann.org/en/dublin54/schedule/mon-ccwg-accountability
>for details
> Cheryl Langdon-Orr - CLO: (11:54) thank you all.
> Andrew Sullivan: (11:55) I did want to get a more general comment on
>the record, speaking for myself
> Andrew Sullivan: (11:55) The progress I'm observing on accountability
>measures is tremendous.This community deserves sufficient power to
>ensure that ICANN actionsreflect community will. That's how any kind of
>multi-stakeholderorganization ought to work: the power rests in the
>community. Yet newpower arrangements must not themsselves create new
>accountabilityissues. And of course, we owe the transition to the rest
>of theInternet. Other operational communities have invested in
>thattransition. If we can't all make it happen together, we'll lose
>thepeople's confidence. We'd have to face bad options in disunity.
>Soplease, keep working to place practical, legitmate, and
>appropriatepower in community hands so the transition can go ahead in
>areasonable time frame. Thanks for the hard work.
> Alice Jansen: (11:56) Thank you all for attending this session -
>archives will be made available at
>https://meetings.icann.org/en/dublin54/schedule/mon-enhancing-accountab
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