Attendees: 

Sub-group Members:   Avri Doria, Becky Burr, David McAuley, Kate Wallace, Leon Sanchez, Liz Le, Malcolm Hutty, Mike Rodenbaugh, Robin Gross, Samantha Eisner

ICANN Org:   Bernard Turcotte, Brenda Brewer

Apologies:  /

** If your name is missing from attendance or apology, please send note to acct-staff@icann.org **

Agenda

  1. Admin/SOI.
  2. Address challenge to ICANN Legal participation.
    1. I plan to ask Bernie to review history of participation in the group.
  3. Wrap up work on Rule 4 – Time-for-Filing.
  4. Review draft letter to SO/AC leaders on the topic of adding new members to the IOT. 
  5. Consider potential to ‘scrub’ inactive members from IOT list 
  6. Consider scheduling organizational/substantive IOT meeting at ICANN 64 to help new members on-board and start to tackle remaining work following finalization of rules.

Transcript

Recording

Raw Caption Notes*

*Note that these are the unofficial transcript. Official transcript will be posted 2-3 days after the call

Decisions:  None

Action Items:

  • DM to draft a note to SOACs regarding issue of ICANN membership in the IOT and requesting more members be appointed for review by the IOT.
  • Next Meeting:  TBA

Requests:  None

Documents Presents:

Chat Transcript:

  Brenda Brewer: (12/13/2018 12:44) Good day all!  Welcome to IRP-IOT Meeting #45 on 13 December 2018 @ 19:00 UTC.

  Brenda Brewer: (12:44) Please note that this meeting will be recorded. When not speaking, kindly mute your phones by pressing *6. Press *6 to unmute. Thank you.

  Bernard Turcotte: (12:55) hello all

  David McAuley: (12:59) Hi all, I am #4154

  David McAuley: (12:59) Hi Avri

  Brenda Brewer: (13:00) Kavouss did not answer dial out.

  David McAuley: (13:01) I will speak again about 3 minutes past

  David McAuley: (13:01) give some time to gather

  Samantha Eisner: (13:06) From ICANN legal, we'd like to contrbute to the discussion as well

  Avri Doria: (13:08) it may make sense to give Sam/Legal, a the target of the issue, a chance to repsond before we go into general discussion.

  David McAuley: (13:08) ok, happy to do that

  David McAuley: (13:14) who is #6367

  Becky Burr: (13:15) Becky is 6467

  Becky Burr: (13:15) 6367

  David McAuley: (13:15) thanks

  Brenda Brewer: (13:17) Leon Sanchez joins on audio only.

  Avri Doria: (13:17) Malcolm your voice is very muffled.

  Avri Doria: (13:17) i can hear fine

  Bernard Turcotte: (13:18) Sam is good Malcolm is a little muffled

  Bernard Turcotte: (13:18) for me

  David McAuley: (13:21) Brenda, any lucj dialing out to Kavouss

  David McAuley: (13:21) luck

  Brenda Brewer: (13:23) @ David, I have not tried redialing Kavouss.  I have sent him an email asking if he wishes to join.  The dialout was a courtesy.

  David McAuley: (13:23) ok thanks -

  Avri Doria: (13:24) In all multistakeholder governance groups i particpate in, ICANN is part of the global Internet community.

  Malcolm Hutty: (13:27) In reply to Sam, I would like to point out that there is no challenge  to ICANN Legal's participation in respect of providing experience, interpretation etc, all of which is entirely valid and desirable staff support; the challenge only relates to taking a part in decision-making and pushing its own view of the balance of expediency, with is a very different matter

  Mike Rodenbaugh: (13:29) +1

  Mike Rodenbaugh: (13:29) same goes for iews of ICANN Board members

  Bernard Turcotte: (13:29) Time check - 30 minutes left

  Malcolm Hutty: (13:29) In reply to David saying that original decision was Becky's, and sustained by him when he took over, yes, I accept that would be correct and stand corrected. My apologies

  Samantha Eisner: (13:32) What are examples where ICANN participants have overriden consensus?

  Samantha Eisner: (13:32) Also, from my experience, I have never assumed that a voice of ICANN should count more than once, if at all?

  Bernard Turcotte: (13:34) Was never expected that ICANN would count as more that one participant

  Robin Gross: (13:35) Is this intent documented somewhere?

  Malcolm Hutty: (13:35) Avri, if it was intentional, why does the Bylaw say otherwise?

  Malcolm Hutty: (13:36) Surely the bylaw should override any purported intention?

  Mike Rodenbaugh: (13:38) SO/AC consultation should have happened before the Interim Rules were defined

  Bernard Turcotte: (13:39) @David - correct

  Becky Burr: (13:40) @Mike, they were consulted, but at this point very few members of the originally constituted group continue to participate.  This is a critical function that needs robust participation from across the stakeholder spectrum

  Mike Rodenbaugh: (13:40) public comment is not the same as formal consultation

  Becky Burr: (13:41) I don't really recall have any conversation about votes, one, two, or any other number

  Robin Gross: (13:42) the CCWG Accountability Charter gave birth to this group,.  Until another charter comes along and replaces it, that charter governs.  If there is documentation otherwise, it should be presented and put an end to the issue.

  Samantha Eisner: (13:42) In my conversations with ICANN org support staff, I never allow ICANN legal participants to be counted as more than a single participant for quorum count

  Avri Doria: (13:46) i hope this reconstitution process does not gate continuing to work on the pending issues.

  Samantha Eisner: (13:49) Isn't that a braoder issue of skills and inputs needed to the group?

  Becky Burr: (13:50) I think the Bylaw means that ICANN creates a group in consultation with SO/ACs, doesn't it?

  Bernard Turcotte: (13:50) time check 10 minutes left in call

  Becky Burr: (13:50) The IRP could ask for more members and ICANN could initiate a consultation

  Becky Burr: (13:51) IRP IOT could ask for more members

  Robin Gross: (13:52) This group should operate in accordance with its governing documents.  What does that say?  I quoted the charter under which it was created.

  Robin Gross: (13:52) Is there something else?  what does our governing documents say?

  Becky Burr: (13:54) no, that's a problem Robin, we don't have a charter

  Malcolm Hutty: (13:55) We have the Bylaw. That can't be disputed

  Becky Burr: (13:55) the bylaw is the only thing we are operating under

  David McAuley: (13:55) i agree w Malcolm  bylaw is top document for us

  Robin Gross: (13:57) We need some operating procedures

  Becky Burr: (13:57) agree Robin, which is why I would support a broader consultation with the community

  Malcolm Hutty: (13:57) Don't we also inherit the CCWG charter as it was our parent body? Not in conflict with the bylaws, obviously, but to supplement and interpret it?

  Robin Gross: (14:01) thanks, David, and all.  Bye!

  Malcolm Hutty: (14:01) Thank you all

  Bernard Turcotte: (14:01) bye all - happy holidays

  Brenda Brewer: (14:04) Meeting Adjourned @ 2:03 PM/CT.



  • No labels