Tijani Ben Jemaa: I think we have to stop now.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Your call.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Yeah. Okay. Okay. So, I am sorry that Fatimata is not here, so I will try to replace her for this short moment until she arrives.
The first point on the agenda is an introduction and overview of the action items of the call of 22 December. The action items are the following: Global partnership to provide breakdowns of the affiliation of African Nairobi Fellows. Not done. It's not done. We didn't receive anything.
The second--.
Heidi Ullrich: --I sent (inaudible) that one.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Yes? Yes, (inaudible)?
Heidi Ullrich: Oh, do you want to finish first, or do you want me to just go right now?
Tijani Ben Jemaa: No, I don't think it's a good thing to get to that now. But later, after the call, if you can provide us with that, it will be very good. Okay?
Heidi Ullrich: Okay. Alright.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Okay. Okay, thank you.
So, the second point is Nairobi Outreach Working Group will work closely with Mr. Nick Tomasso and Carver – and M. Carver I don't know – and Anne-Rochelle to avoid scheduling conflict. At this point, this thing wasn't done because we don't have right now the final program or the final proposition. And because, also, they don't have the partnership, the Global Partnership don't have their program. So, we can't work on this point. Is it to Anne-Rochelle?
Heidi Ullrich: Yes, we do not have the fellows for (inaudible) yet.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Okay. So, that's why.
The third point is that Tijani and Fatimata to contact ISOC regional leaders to get involved as soon as possible. The regional responsible of ISOC Africa responded to the Dave email and they said that they don't know if they will organize something in Nairobi. And they can't found anything which is not ISOC activities. So, they can't be our founder, if you want. But if they have an activity there, perhaps we can have shared people, people which are on this event and on the ISOC event, to be founded. And they don't know if they will organize something. So, the response is that.
The point, the next point is Tijani and Fatimata will work on the – this was done on the project, we worked on it. And we propose you today a new version.
The next point is AFRALO issues are to be primary topics of IS – okay, that's what said Cheryl. And I think she will do it for the event that she will organize as ALAC and Nairobi. She said that AFRALO will be a primary topic on this event.
The next point is the next call (inaudible). It's not important.
Point – the following point, Nick Tomasso will work with Tijani and Fatimata to revise the proposed budget. This wasn't done. I worked on the budget. I will tell you later, if you want, or I can tell it now. I worked on it. I did research on Internet for the hotels in Nairobi and I found a hotel, four-star hotel, at $144. I also contacted Fiona, which is one of the local team in Nairobi. I met her in Seoul. And I found her and she told me that she will email me the list of hotels she proposed – she told me about in Seoul. And the last information is that they sent me, she contacted the guys of the hotel, who sent me an email telling that they can give me a rate of $160 for the African participants. And it is – this hotel is one of the hotels of the conference so the shuttle will cover it. This is very important because, if the hotel is not covered by the shuttle, it will not be workable. So, this is the information I have concerning the hotels, the rate of the hotels. But, I didn't have any contact with Nick Tomasso (inaudible). I sent him an email telling him can he give me the average rate of the hotels in Nairobi and--.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: --They're usually $200 a night at the moment, Tijani. I can answer that for you. Cheryl here.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: How much? How much you said?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: They're estimating $200 as an average as of tonight (inaudible).
Tijani Ben Jemaa: $200. Okay.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Yep.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Okay. Okay. So, next point, Tijani and Fatimata to develop the proposal. It's done.
Dave to follow with Agence de la Francophonie in Mauritius. I don't know if he did. He will tell us if he did it.
Heidi Ullrich: Tijani?
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Yes. Yes, yes?
Heidi Ullrich: This one was--.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: -I don't-.
Heidi Ullrich: --Was worded wrongly. There is no Agence de la Francophonie in Mauritius. Dave was offering to get in touch with Adiel in AfriNIC and ask him if Sydney could do something for you guys.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Okay. So, Dave is here. He can tell us about this point.
Dave Kissoondoyal: Yes. Basically, I do recall in the last meeting that (inaudible) members--.
(Multiple speakers.)
Dave Kissoondoyal: --Before approaching the sponsors we need to have the project time. So, I was waiting for the appointed time before contacting Adiel. I have his telephone number. I can – tomorrow he said I can contact him, but I need to see Anita (ph) for the plan first.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Okay. Okay. And the last point, the AFRALO Nairobi Working Group, of this working group, will work with--.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: --Matthias and Gisella.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Ah, you answered (inaudible). On developing the web presence. It wasn't done. We didn't work on it yet.
Okay. So, this was the item – the action items developed in the teleconference of 22 December.
Now, the second point.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Just before you move on, Tijani, if I may?
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Yes?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: I noted that Alice has joined us. Hello, Alice. Cheryl, here.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Alice?
Alice Munyua: Yes. Yes. This is Alice Munyua here. Thank you very much for inviting me to this teleconference. I'm sorry I'm late joining.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: How are you? Thank you to come. Thank you very much.
Alice Munyua: Thank you for the invitation.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Alice, we spoke about the hotel rates in Nairobi. When I was in Seoul, I contacted Fiona. Do you know her? Fiona?
Alice Munyua: Yes.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Okay. I contacted her and she told me that you already thought about the problem of the lodging of African people. And she told me that you will find good standing hotels at affordable rates.
Alice Munyua: Um-hmm.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: I received today an email telling me that a Panafric hotel we can have a rate of $160. Bed and breakfast; bed and breakfast.
Alice Munyua: Um-hmm.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: And they told me that this hotel is one of the conference hotels and it will be covered by the shuttle bus.
Alice Munyua: Um-hmm. Yes.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Do you confirm that?
Alice Munyua: Yes, I think so. Yes. I can confirm that.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Okay.
Alice Munyua: So naturally one of the hotels, yeah.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Okay, very good.
Heidi Ullrich: Tijani, what – this is Heidi. What was the name of it, please?
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Pardon?
Heidi Ullrich: What was the name of the hotel?
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Panafric. Panafric.
Heidi Ullrich: Okay. Thank you.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: A moment. I will give you the full name of the hotel. A moment. It is Sarova Panafric Hotel. Sarova Panafric. Okay?
Heidi Ullrich: Yes. Actually, yes. I see the information on the agenda page for today.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Yes. Yes. I put – on the agenda for today, on the Wiki page of this conference, I put a short description of the hotel that I found. And this hotel has offered us the rate of $160 for a single standard room, bed and breakfast. Okay? So, it's very important information. And they asked me about the number of rooms to book and about the date of our arrival and of departure.
Alice Munyua: Yes.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Okay? I have found also on Internet that there is another Sarova Hotel, which is Sarova Stanley Hotel. And the rate is $144.
Alice Munyua: Yeah.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: So, those – the information I have about the hotels. I do like to have at least to confirm all the information and to work with us in the future on this item, on this issue.
Alice Munyua: Okay. Are you talking about – this is Alice here. Are you talking about visiting the hotel or verifying the information?
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Not yet. Not yet. They – when they sent me the email, they asked me how many rooms to book. But I can't now give a number. Yes. Yes, Cheryl.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: It's Cheryl here, Tijani.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Yes, Cheryl.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: I think we're splitting into two parallel actions. I think what Alice is asking you is, do you wish her to confirm the accuracy of the information you've been sent? And I think that's a very worthwhile request if you're going to make that of Alice.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Yes. Sure.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: But there's also the matter of, if in fact you get funding from a non-ICANN source, you now have a less costly part of that calculation, which is very important to us as it's got a fixed figure. To have that figure not change on you, however, because if that happens – and I'm sure Alice can tell us how often that happens as people are moving towards large events, prices – they always go up. So, you need to try and lock something in, which is what you're trying to do, I believe, Tijani. You'd actually be able to use the minimum figure, which is around the 20, which would be one person per ALS as you've listed in your plan. And if you can put a block hold on, say, 20 rooms, then that is at least something. But I think what you also are asking each other is, is this an opportunity where Alice as an organizer might be able to give you another set of numbers. And you might find it worthy to block 30 or 40. And Alice then knows that there is another, you know, 20 that may be available or – to all of them that may be available.
Have I got that right, Alice and Tijani?
Alice Munyua: Yes, you have. Thank you.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Yes. Yes.
Operator: Fatimata has joined the call.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: Yes--.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: --Fatimata.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: Bonjour.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Bonjour. (Speaking French.) We just started. I read the action items of the 22 December. And now--.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: --Please continue to chair.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: And you would – no, no. You will continue to chair now. And--.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: -Because I don't have my computer on yet, so-.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Okay. Put it on. I will continue. And when you will be ready, you tell me, yes?
Fatimata Seye Sylla: Alright.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Okay. And I want to tell you that Alice just joined. And we asked her about the--.
Unidentified Participant: (Inaudible.)
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Okay. And we asked her about the accommodations point and she will be with us during this call. Okay?
Fatimata Seye Sylla: Okay.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Can I continue?
Fatimata Seye Sylla: Alright. Yes.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Okay. Thank you. So, the point one was done. Point two, review of the revised proposal.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: Yes.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: As you have seen, we have now a new issue, if you want, a new version of the proposal. It was (inaudible) by Fatimata and by also Heidi. And I have – I want to thank Heidi very much because she really--.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: -Yes. Thank you, Heidi-.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: --She really helps us. Okay. So, now I will tell you some words about this proposal.
Okay. So, we – what was changed is, first, the introduction. And the introduction was enriched by especially the result of the work done by a group inside AFRALO concerning the participation of the ALSes. And Heidi inserted the introduction.
The second thing, what we added. We added a (inaudible) point. It was given by Fatimata. So, it was more or less how the event would be organized.
Another point added is the expected results. And I think it's a very good point because, for the founders, they need it. So, we give two points. The results expected was first to enhance or to improve the participation of the ALS representatives in all the monthly conferences and the public comments and all the discussion, all the consultation. And the second point is to enhance the number of ALSes in AFRALO. That means that we have to recruit the other ALSes and they have to – the other ALSes have to be accredited as ALS.
And then we inserted the program, the day-by-day program, for this – the session programs, if you want. I proposed the program and Heidi proposed a modification that I approved. And it is here, if you can see. Now we have half a day on Sunday, where we will make the introductions at the first, and then we speak about the ICANN role and the infrastructure and the ICANN mission and the structure and constituencies.
And then, from Monday to Thursday, it will be two-hour sessions in the morning about the policies, (inaudible) the policies. ICANN policies and then ICANN policies development and then ICANN public participation and communication. And at the end, you will do a presentation of the policies of the policy group – no, the last day will be an exercise day.
Okay. This is more or less the program.
Heidi Ullrich: Tijani, can I just add a few issues?
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Yes, please. Yes, please.
Heidi Ullrich: Okay. Thank you very much for reviewing this program. My contribution to this was, firstly, to incorporate the work that AFRALO has already done. This past year they took a survey of the AFRALO ALSes and found that a major barrier to participation was awareness and information about ICANN's structure, as well as its policy development procedures, the PDP process. So, I incorporated not only the results of the survey, then the follow-up for capacity building documents that, again, AFRALO developed on how to overcome some of those barriers. So again, this proposal incorporates some of the work that AFRALO has done (inaudible).
One of the tangible outcomes that they identified in the capacity building document was the development of a regional communication structure that reflects the realities of the African region. So again, the program, the daily program includes three main points, to transform and educate AFRALO representatives on ICANN activities; secondly, to increase the understanding of ICANN's policies; and thirdly, to establish a communications policy for the AFRALO region.
Now, in the proposal, the daily program reflects those objectives. And the idea is, rather than it being a passive activity where the representatives are just basically briefed for these sessions, I thought that a much more interactive hands-on approach would be more useful. So, I incorporated into the daily program, in the earlier part of the week where they would be given the basic ICANN mission, structure and constituencies, on ICANN's policies and the policy development process. Then each day, the second hour of each day would consist of a more interactive element for a case study and then a group exercise. And the idea, then, is that during the week, after the morning sessions, these representatives in their groups would encourage people to interact at the ICANN meeting, the participants at the ICANN meeting. That would be At-Large and the other constituencies, to engage them directly. And then they would report to (inaudible) the last day of the program.
And they would also – another case study would be that they would actually develop an AFRALO communication strategy. Again, they would (inaudible) back on the last day of the program.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Thank you, Heidi. Thank you very much.
Okay. So, if we continue the presentation of this document, we added also evaluation criteria, always based on the participation of the – the (inaudible) of the participation of the representatives of all ALSes and on the number of ALSes accredited.
Logistical aspects. We will revise the budget according to what Cheryl said. It means that we will base our calculation on $200 rate, accommodation rate. And so, we need the (inaudible) report. We need the room (inaudible). All this is known (inaudible). Coordination, budget, okay. And at the end, the funding. The point – what is very important now is the funding. And we have to find the right funders.
Fatimata proposed that we address – or no, not – we contact the regulatory agencies, national regulatory agencies in Africa. And it is – this is on one hand. But on the other hand, we need to contact the organizations, the international and regional organizations, that can fund this operation.
That's more or less the project. It is – you have seen it. It is on the Wiki page. What I want to tell you is that this document is not the final version. We need to have inputs concerning the accommodation. Now we know, now we have the final figure we put, $200.
And we need also to know what is the number, the definite number, the final number of people which will follow this program. And there is two options. One person by ALS or two persons by ALS. And it will depend on the funding.
And the final point is the approval of this document. If we approve definitively this document, we can begin to send our project to the funders.
Fatimata?
Fatimata Seye Sylla: Yes, Tijani.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: You are ready now?
Fatimata Seye Sylla: Yes, I'm ready, but I want you to continue because you're doing great.
I was (inaudible) editing the showcase, because one thing I'm thinking about, you know, when you submit the proposal to a potential sponsor, sometimes they'll want the visibility.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Absolutely.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: Yes. And maybe we can use the exhibition area to have their slide or whatever they would like.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Yes. Sure, sure.
Heidi Ullrich: This is Heidi.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Heidi, yes.
Heidi Ullrich: Yes. I--.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: -Heidi-.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: --(Inaudible), Heidi. Off you go.
Heidi Ullrich: Well, I just spoke with (inaudible) and mentioned about the possibility of the showcase and he said, yes, it would be possible, for example, to hold the showcase Sunday evening or perhaps Saturday evening in a hotel. And then, also, to move the presentation table from the showcase over to the conference center during the week where then one of the AFRALO representatives could be there to assess and perform outreach activities throughout the week. But that would be something that you would need to organize. So, it was going to be – have a – you know, was going to have a person at the table during certain hours.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: Yeah. Absolutely. And I think – Alice? Alice, are you here with us?
Alice Munyua: Yes, I'm here. Yes, I am.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: Yeah. Yeah, I think Alice will (inaudible) to have somebody from Kenya help us.
Alice Munyua: Um-hmm.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: You know, to--.
Alice Munyua: -Yes-.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: -We'd be able to – that's a big task to be undertaken and have somebody from-.
Alice Munyua: -Yes-.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: --Nairobi to support us.
Alice Munyua: Yes. Sure.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: Yeah.
Alice Munyua: Yes. Sure, we could do that. We could try and organize for that. But, may I ask a question about this proposal and how you intend to go with the fund raising. To begin with, it strikes me as pretty late. You really have to rush with it. And I'm also curious the kind of donor you're aiming to target. Because, for example, if you target regulatory authorities, they will want to know what is in it for them beyond just the understanding of ICANN policy and informing and educating ALSes or participants in ICANN processes.
(Multiple speakers.)
Alice Munyua: --Get to know which donors you're aiming to because you have to I think fashion the proposal, you know, according to what the donors focus is.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: Alice--?
Dave Kissoondoyal: --Yes. (Inaudible.)
Fatimata Seye Sylla: And I don't know what's happening.
Dave Kissoondoyal: I think on the program – this is Dave here. I think on the program we have to allocate some time just for the sponsors. As our ability--.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: -Whoa, whoa, Dave. Dave, Dave. Cheryl here. I really question that and I'll tell you why. First of all, most sponsors will have some, you know, promotional material. And providing that gets distributed, that's probably as good as it's going to get in terms of time management. But do you really think a sponsor's going to be paying 15 or $20,000 or just covering an individual person to a country, however that works out, just to talk to that one person? That's rubbish. They want to talk to every damned ICANN attendee. So, it's not a matter of the sponsors getting leverage out of 20 to 30 people, it's a matter of the sponsors-.
Dave Kissoondoyal: -No-.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: --Getting leverage to 1,000. Which is, I think, what Fatimata's point was. So, it's not a matter of putting them in to talk to the people that they've funded to get there. It's a matter of working with the local organizing committee to say what, if anything, can be offered at a much more meaningful level. Sorry to jump in, but I don't want to see false expectations to be raised.
And B, if we're going to go towards some funders, we've got to go with some very tight plans. And some of the language like building an informed community of telecommunications and Internet consumers in your region will assist your development of regulatory policy, blah, blah, blah, is the type of--.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: -Yes, exactly-.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: --(Inaudible) I think Alice was talking about for regulators. And you'll need to look at the sort of language that will be needed for the other funders as well. And I know Heidi and I are happy to help you with that language. And I mean, Alice is a regulator. She certainly knows what you want to hear.
(Multiple speakers.)
Alice Munyua: That's exactly the point. It's not about making sure that – in fact, you should not have any of the donors on your program. I think the basic and overall goal should be what Cheryl has just articulated very elegantly. Just you know – and maybe a meaningful participation of, you know, the African community in just, you know, general Internet governance processes, including, and more specifically, the ICANN policy processes which, you know, each country is currently trying to understand. So, that is going to be attractive to most donors. It's not so much about giving them space. It's about telling what is going to be attractive, you know, enough for them to actually say, okay, here is $100,000.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: Okay. So, we just to add more points.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Fatimata, I would suggest we need – what you've got is – what you've got, together with a little bit of edit, is page--.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: -Yes-.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: --Three and four. What you need is the (inaudible) 30-second, 60-second film, What's in it for You? Why it's important for the African region. And you might even need to go regionalized.
Alice Munyua: Exactly.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: And at least with desktop publishing, you know, it's easy to do it. So, you can focus on an East African group and a West, etc., etc. And then you've got to do a why this is going to build the whole of the telecommunications – sorry, communications consumers, business and government, to the next level, or how it's going to push the region, the whole country forward into – I guess an almost hop over. It'll help the regions step up much faster and much higher into being a ubiquitously connected Internet using community and taking its place on the global economic stage. They are the sorts of bits that they'll want to see on the glossy front. And then, if they're really excited, they'll get down to the gory details later.
And yes, I think the showcase possibly should need to come up a little bit higher in terms of a tiny bit of – you know, a paragraph at the bottom of the front page because that shows that there's going to be a presence and exposure of such a sponsor to the whole of the conference community, that they have been taking an active, if not proactive, role in making sure their community, whatever that community is defined as, sees this next step for bringing the Internet and all the things that go with it to their part of the world as important.
So, it's not so much a rewriting of what's there as a wrapping it up kind of pretty and with the right sort of words.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: Yes.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: And for that, you're going to need someone like Alice and her team to be helping you on the subtleties of how you pitch this.
One of the things I would add in an outcome, just off the top of my head, Alice, while I've got the microphone – you know me, I'm going to keep it for a second longer (inaudible) – is if you can say that the people who've done this capacity building exercise at the ICANN 37 meeting will go back to their countries equipped and capable of talking to decision makers and helping decision makers understand the issues.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: Yes.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: That would be a nice leverage point, in my opinion.
Alice Munyua: Yes.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: That's a very good point, a (inaudible) point. In fact, today – and I'm not sure, Tijani and Alice can expound on that, too. Regulatory agencies, they're trying to involve civil communities in the making of the regulatory policies. They're trying to have them--.
Alice Munyua: -Yeah-.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: --And they're not getting many of them because of this lack of understanding of the issues, the lack of education. So, absolutely they're (inaudible).
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: I'd be really pushing that as your sales line. I'd really be pushing that hard. And I'd also be starting to do some future language in there. We know, assuming that we get what we want in the world of IGF and it's continuing as it should do. And Kenya is going to be a host of the next IGF after – the one after this.
Alice Munyua: Yes.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: That's a (inaudible) of opportunity is that building towards future regional, national and – drat, I've lost the word. Never mind.
Heidi Ullrich: Local, regional, national, global?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Thank you. That'll do it. Not global--.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: -Yeah-.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: --The – you know, the whole lump of Africa, not just individual national companies within it.
Alice Munyua: Regional.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Yeah. You know, that this is a next step of doing things in these future events, that these people will then be able to work within country and within regional and sub-regional planning for the future.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: Yes. Yes, in country.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Okay. I'll shush up now.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Fatimata?
Fatimata Seye Sylla: Yes. Alice? You have another point to add?
(Multiple speakers.)
Dave Kissoondoyal: -I have a question-.
Alice Munyua: -Bring to your attention to the agency-.
Dave Kissoondoyal: -Alice-.
Alice Munyua: --You know, of sending a proposal out.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Alice, is there people who in the planning of what's happened – I mean, I have a very good understanding of how much it takes to organize an ICANN meeting. Sydney's not that far back in my memories.
Alice Munyua: Yes.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: I think it would be important that any outreach, particularly local within Kenya, isn't jumping on the same spaces that other people are looking for, for sponsorship and support of the whole ICANN meeting. That's perhaps a very important role where you could guide who they approach so that people who have already said thanks, but no thanks, to you aren't asked again. We don't want to annoy or offend. And we also want to make it most like, not least likely. It's not just regulators that the workgroup want to approach.
Alice Munyua: Okay. I mean, the only ones I could, you know, speak on behalf of is the Kenyan Regulatory Authority and KENIC, who are the sponsors of – you know. But I think anyone else, you know, I think you're likely quite welcome to approach currently. Yeah. But I think I'll keep pushing, you know, the agency. Because for example, one of the things they are planning to do as civil society – now I'm wearing my civil society hat – is to have a workshop that looks specifically at good governance of city TLDs, which is a specific item related to all the ICANN processes, but also looking at developing good governance practices for city (inaudible) in the African region.
And we approached IDFC and IDFC has funded that, you know, both the research and the workshop for that, including bringing city TLD managers to Kenya during the ICANN meeting. So, there's already something that's happening. But I think for ALAC processes, this is not, you know, specifically looking at involving other civil society groups, especially ALSes. I think we can approach as many other, you know, potential donors as possible.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Alice, just on that point, if that – the timing of that and that scheduling, so that event is made available, when it is able to be available, to the planning committee within this group of their activities. You'd be surprised how many of our ALSes are also CCPLD operators or related to them in some way, shape or form. But it brought me back to the (inaudible) of that IGF we attended, where we're looking at the multi-stakeholder model that ICANN is in terms of how Internet governance can move to it's necessary next future step. I had a number of, in fact, highly developed country CCPLD operators – Canada comes immediately to mind – who, after our workshop, came up and said, okay, I need the name of your ALS because our CCPLD wants to work with the local Internet using community. And your ALSes are another selection group of them. So, that's sort of a leverage point that could be sort of a win/win. And there might be a little bit of cross-fertilization possible there as well.
Alice Munyua: Yeah. Fantastic. And we can actually try and see how we can, you know, integrate or work together and make it – you know, because some of the CCPLDs, for example, have (inaudible) representation on their board so, you know.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: And this is increasing that puddle of people and making sure they're educated, informed, up to date and capable and willing.
Alice Munyua: Yes. Yes. Fantastic.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: (Inaudible), you know, from this side. I don't know what's going on with the call.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Sorry, what was that? The echo's getting really bad.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: Yeah.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Fatimata is still here? Fatimata?
Fatimata Seye Sylla: Yes, I am here, Tijani.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Okay. Okay, very good.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: I can hear you.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Okay. Okay. Continue, please.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: Okay. Are you going to – are the others hearing it?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Yes.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Do you have the agenda in front of you?
Fatimata Seye Sylla: No, I don't have the agenda in front of me.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Okay. I will tell you. I will tell you. No problem. I did the presentation of the proposal and we have to discuss this revised proposal, including logistical issues.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: Yes.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: And we have 15 minutes for that; 15 minutes for that.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: For the logistical issues.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: For – no, for all the discussion. For all the discussion. So--.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: --I have seen the document.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: You have the document, no?
Fatimata Seye Sylla: Yeah. I wanted to say one thing, still regarding the sponsors. And for example, with the ALSes, if we say that we want one person for ALS, if we can (inaudible), if we have to book rooms and stuff like that. And what if you have a larger number? For example, in Kenya they can have – I mean, they want to be ALSes. But I think if you can have potential ALSes come in and participate, we should have them in the rooms. I mean, here I'm talking about rooms.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Fatimata, we don't have ALSes from Kenya. If you see the list, AFRALO we don't have--.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: --Well, that's – yeah.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Okay.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: (Inaudible.) A list is here I think. Unless we should start by (inaudible).
Alice Munyua: Yeah. This would be a good opportunity for ALAC to, you know, conduct outreach activities. And perhaps one way that I can help, that we can help, is any news or – we're going to be having training with press. So, any news articles that we write we can put there, you know, that civil society, you know, groups are encourage to join, you know, to, you know, to follow ALAC and provide details for joining. So, we could try and do that.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: Yeah.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: But since they are--.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: --That's actually – Tijani, if I may, that actually leads to the next agenda item. Not that I'm saying we need to get to that just yet, but we need to come back to that point that Alice has made. Because I think the existence of an ongoing showcase, the launch with fellowships, the caring and sharing, that's a lovely press opportunity for the Saturday or Sunday evening, right? Good press opportunity.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Yeah.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: And the fact that there will be the ongoing display within the conference center means that the press – and we should do a press kit – can be, you know, it's nice to get a little grab or a filler from that sort of space. And if the existing ALSes and AFRALO put their showcase together properly, that should be a very interesting and very tempting publicity item that everyone can benefit from, and certainly would do some outreach.
Alice, is it possible for the group, assuming that everything goes along perfect, to work with the organizing committee, but also – you know how difficult it is because people just come and register on the day. It would be nice if they could have something in the general materials that's given away to all participants that says--.
Alice Munyua: -Yes-.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: --Do you know about consumer and civil society activities within ICANN and policy development in your country or region. If not, have a look here. You know, something they sort of can take home and maybe work on later. I think that would be a good outreach approach.
Alice Munyua: Yes, yes, yes. That should be possible. If you have the material on time it should be possible.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Okay. Because that could be very useful.
Heidi Ullrich: Alice, when you say on time, can you just give us a sense of what a deadline would be for those materials, please?
Alice Munyua: I think – I don't know whether there's anybody from the ICANN logistics team on this teleconference. Because usually, I think some of this material comes directly from either the ICANN logistics and events management team.
Heidi Ullrich: Okay.
Alice Munyua: But you know – yes, because we can – and I've seen quite a number of material in other ICANN meetings talking about ALAC and just explaining how to join ALAC. So, I think it's matter of getting that as part of the package so we can put that, as well as the ICANN, as part of the registration package and any other package that is given out to participants.
Heidi Ullrich: (Inaudible.)
Alice Munyua: As well as any of the media. Yeah.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Yeah. Alice, it's gotta be branded very much Africa. It's got to be very regionally focused.
Alice Munyua: Yes. Yes.
Heidi Ullrich: Okay. Well, I can have Matthias work with AFRALO at a faster scale to get the AFRALO brochure ready to go.
Alice Munyua: Fantastic. Yeah.
Heidi Ullrich: In both English and French. We also have the At-Large brochure that we could print and put into the registration packet. And I'll work with meeting staff to get that material, as well as other relevant materials to you on time. And that would be maybe a week prior to the start of the meeting. Would that be an approximate time?
Alice Munyua: Yes.
Heidi Ullrich: Okay.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: Okay.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Sorry. Back to your logistics. Sorry, Fatimata.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: Okay. I think we had – so before I joined, did you talk about the budget? Because I think I heard you talking about $200 accommodation or something like that.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: In fact, it was a top dollar of $200 to include the daily expenses per participant because Tijani has got a quote at $160 bed and breakfast at one of the--.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: -Okay-.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: --Hotels, which is excellent news.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: Okay. How about the airfare?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Well, the airfare is going to be something that – in terms of the costing. I'm often of the opinion that local knowledge is going to be more cost effective, a little bit more difficult to manage logistically, but very likely to be more budgeted. And Alice, I don't know whether you have had any travel partners approach you. I know we did when we did it in Sydney, a number of flights offering terms. Certainly thought it would be a good idea to get involved. But of course, most of what I'm involved in with ALAC is for the ICANN sponsored travelers, and that's all done through central control out of the US.
But this is not a limitation that you should be looking at for this activity. You need to first look at what are the best price or budget costs for country to Kenya and back to ALS country for your list and get an indicative quote. You also need to approach right now every one of those ALSes and find out do they have people who are already intending to attend the ICANN meeting. Because again, sometimes people are wearing many hats and they may be going, you know, for a CCTLD activity or something else and for their own – you know, they may be part of an NGO or even a governmental organization and they are intending to attend, and yet would be the same people who would be the leaders to get an ALS in a country that isn't already one that we've got an At-Large structure in.
And I think that comes back to we have to do something while we're in Kenya to have an ALS happening in Kenya as we leave. That's something that ties in, I think, with the fellowship. You know, we also get one ALS or more application out of the fellows when we meet, greet and interact with them at an ICANN meeting. So sure, we're going to aim for that and deliberately try and encourage that.
But I think this time, Africa needs to do better and to really be very – oh, dear – deliberate in the fact that it would like to see at least one ALS per country in the region. And that's something that you can flavor in an affirmation of commitment environment. That with the increasing role and importance for all governments to consider how ICANN is managed and that that role also brings with it the necessary oversight by the Internet-using community. It's in all our best interests to know that we have community and regulators working together, understanding each other and dealing locally, but looking globally in what's happening in policy development.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Alice? Alice, may I ask you a question?
Alice Munyua: Yes. Go ahead.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Do you think that $1,500 is a reasonable average for the airfare for the African countries?
Alice Munyua: Yes, I think so. Yeah. Yes, yes. I believe so.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Okay. Okay. Thank you very much.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Tijani, just on that, I just had a random thought. I wonder if as you outreach, as the regional workgroup outreaches to all the existing ALSes, you might also ask – if you were able to be partly sponsored. In other words, if we could find sponsorship to cover accommodations and daily cost, in other words that $200 a day story, then maybe some people who would have frequent flier miles or non-cost ways of getting to attend the ICANN meeting, but that additional expense of accommodation, etc., is beyond their means. And if they knew that – I guess partial sponsorship, for want of a better word, there was a potential for support funding, that might also get you some more people involved. But again, you've got to ask those questions to find out if it's possible.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Yes.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: One possible way to approach sponsors would be also to have average amount per person, say $2,000. I don't know. Or even – I think it's less, right? $200--.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: -I think if you talked – if you talked – look to Tijani's reworked figures first-.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: --Can you hear me?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Yes, Fatimata. Tijani has reworked the budget. What's the daily amount, Tijani?
Fatimata Seye Sylla: I have the budget here in the document.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Yes. Yes.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: Is there any change? Okay. I don't have the last version then. I have the version in global documents.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: No, that's the last version. Yep.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: Yeah. So, it will be around 17, $1,800? (Inaudible.) Hello?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Yeah, I can hear you. I can't hear Tijani now. He should be answering.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Okay. My line was muted. My line was muted. That's why I couldn't speak.
Okay. I have considered $1,500 as airfare, as an average airfare for all the participants, for everyone. And I have considered 19 – $95 per day as per diem.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: Oh, okay. Times six.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: If you've got (inaudible) involved, you do not need anywhere near that. The fellows get – correct me if I'm wrong, Anne-Rochelle, fellows get something like $50 US. And you really could, because I think you're going to have to, try and make your daily costs around $200 US.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Per day?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Yep. That's accommodation and per diem.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: Per day.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Ah, okay. So, I will decrease the budget.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: (Inaudible.)
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Yes. Because I have considered – in the first version I have considered $95 as the per diem and for the accommodation I had considered $150. Now – and Cheryl thought that we had better to consider $200. But we have to remove the per diem. Yes, we have to--.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (Inaudible.)
Tijani Ben Jemaa: We have to remove the per diem in this case.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: And what do you mean, Tijani, by (inaudible) schedule? Okay, sorry Tijani. Okay. So, it will be $200 a day times six? (Inaudible.)
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Fatimata, I don't hear you. I don't hear you.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: (Unintelligible.)
Tijani Ben Jemaa: I don't hear you, Fatimata. I don't understand what you say. Repeat, please.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: Oh. I was just calculating.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Tijani, Fatimata was saying $200 a day for six days, correct?
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Yes, that's right.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Plus airfare.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Yeah.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: What is that total?
Tijani Ben Jemaa: And it will be less than what I put in the project.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Understood, but what – I think she was trying to calculate what that total would be.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Okay. Okay.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Because you may find it more attractive for sponsors, particularly if you're going to individual regulators and companies within countries, to say for X amount of dollars you can have someone come to this, do these activities and come back to you as your leadership person in your country. And if they are an ALS, that's a good thing. And if they're not an ALS, then they can become one.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: Yes.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: I'm just trying to think of it from a sales pitch point of view as well for the sponsor. Because it may be that you might get one or two regulators that want to put a larger lump of money, and that would cover, you know, several people. But it might be, particularly in the current economic environment, that some people, some regulators or decision makers within country and going to be happier just sponsoring someone from within country.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: Yep. Yep. Is (inaudible)?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: There's two different ways of looking at it. (Inaudible) sponsors going give us $20,000.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Yes.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: One is going give us $100,000. And this is a third option, I guess, which is can we have $3,000 to make sure you've got someone who's going to come back to you knowledgeable about Internet governance and ICANN-specific methods and willing to help and be a builder of your Internet future in-country.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: Wow, Cheryl, you're good.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Hell, yes. (Inaudible) big bucks.
Anne-Rochelle: Hi. This is Anne-Rochelle.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Yes, Anne-Rochelle.
Anne-Rochelle: If I can chime in, given the time that is left, given the countries of this whole project, I think you would be really wise to just do it and have each one of the ALSes approach people in their country, a regulator, be it one of the big telcos, you know, be it – I don't know, GSM operators, all of those people, given the services that they're offering on the Internet nowadays would be interested in something like that. And they would be – you know, it would go more easily and more quickly if, you know, each ALS and anybody who was basically put in charge of making sure that they got the money, instead of going for a bulk of – you know, asking somebody for, you know, anywhere from $100,000 to $150,000. Because it is really late in the process for that type of money.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Yeah. But most people will have discretionary funds and to (inaudible) under 5K, and certainly around the 3, I think you've got a higher likelihood of success.
Anne-Rochelle: Yep.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: Yeah.
Alice Munyua: Yes.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: I mean, Anne-Rochelle, this was somewhat the idea we had. I mean, when you said that any ALS would go to (inaudible), I mean, with regulatory agency and try to get funds, to get the funding. It can be for one person, it can be for two or more, depending the willingness of the agency to support the activity. And of course, we also wanted to have a project document like this to send to all the potential sponsors outside the country or inside the country. Like, I mean last time we had a list of potential sponsors. Of course, the time is very short. We'll have to build on our, you know, relations with people we know within those organizations and just try to see if we can (inaudible). But of course, we have to go with the national agencies first.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Looking at the amount of time left for this call, I'm really comfortable and really happy with this localized sales pitch approach. And I'm certainly confident that with the support of Heidi and her team, you know, Matthias and Gisella in particular, that we can bludgeon something really attractive out of all of this in fairly short order and have a set of materials that each of your existing ALSes can go to local potential sponsors for, with a – this is a cost per person deal. You know? You want to send one? You even – you know, I've got my frequent flier miles. I only need this much. Such that we've organized the logistics, we've organized the costing, we've organized the capabilities. And that, for nations that do not have ALSes, the regional – the RALO needs to do that approach.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: (Inaudible--)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: --Need to work strictly with Alice for a within-Kenya approach.
(Multiple speakers.)
Dave Kissoondoyal: Cheryl?
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Yeah.
Dave Kissoondoyal: Yeah, sorry. For the local sponsorship, I think if you can send – like, you can provide some – like a letter, you can provide a letter with all that and we just – that be – the ALS will get by attending to this event. This will help the local ALS to seek a sponsorship in his country.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: I think that's exactly what Fatimata was saying. Yes.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: Yeah. That's – I mean, even (inaudible) was asking for that letter, too, last time, so we agreed. And Cheryl was going to--.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: -Yep-.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: --Send the letter.
Heidi Ullrich: And the letter could also state what the benefit to the government, the country and the region, etc., might be for this as well.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: But you've got to realize the letter Fatimata's asking for is a – I would like to go as an ALS representative, regardless of this outreach activity.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Fatimata? Fatimata?
Fatimata Seye Sylla: Yes.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Tijani. I would like to say that we don't have to go to the local founder first. We have to go to the local founder in parallel with the regional (inaudible) and national founders. We have to--.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: -Yes. Yes-.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: -We have a big problem of time constraint. And we need-.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: (--Inaudible).
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Yes. But because you said, Fatimata, first – I don't like it. I want it to be parent.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: It's alright. (Inaudible.)
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Okay.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Okay. Can I ask, when you're outreaching, when you're contacting, when the region is contacting the individual ALSes and seeing who might already be going, who might be able to go if they have partial or full support, and who is willing to take up these materials and work locally while the region works globally and regionally, can I also ask that you enquire about what they might be able to contribute, either if they are attending or if they are not attending, to be part of the showcase. Because that is a very important piece of the attractiveness. And you've now got knowledge that the logistics will work, but you now need materials.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Yeah.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Now, Fatimata, I know what you can bring along because I've seen what wonderful stuff you've got to offer. You're one of many. We need another 20 (inaudible).
Fatimata Seye Sylla: Yeah. But well, I'm sure – I mean, you can – if you could have – the ALSes can, you know, they can overnight and (inaudible). But I'm sure we just need to agree on that. And I think if you have the showcase, that's the only way we can do this.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Yeah. But you need to be able to tell them now what they can send or bring.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: Yeah. Alice, along with Kenya already have a lot of stuff.
Alice Munyua: Yes.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: And I'm sure Tijani would know what to bring and things that are really (inaudible). And you know, things like that. I mean, we will have to decide – we will have to say we want something really different. I know, for example, that in West Africa we have a lot of (inaudible) things. But we would like to have something that would identify specifically the country. Different. Just without the showcase.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: With the showcase, I think for your launching of the showcase on the Saturday or Sunday evening, possibly – probably the Sunday because that would fit with the major fellowship activity. So, my mind is tending to prefer the Sunday option. And it also means that you can guarantee that the rest of your At-Large ALAC and other regional leaders can be part of that as well which, again, makes it look good and very global.
So, if you're ending on something – if you think back to what we did in Mexico with our fair, I think you can do something, but within region, similar to that. So, we pretty well know, you know, we need a few tables, we need some catering. And we'd probably need to look at a particular sponsor for that part of that night, the catering issue. And I think, Heidi, you and I will have to get some numbers put together on that.
The other opportunity would be to then have, with the table back at the conference center for the rest of the time, I think you need a standing backdrop behind the table. So, you need a backdrop, a table, one or two chairs. My preference is for two, but that's just me. But on that backdrop you can put up the posters that display examples of handouts that are there. Because, you know, you're not getting a (inaudible) space as such. You're getting something slightly cut down on that.
And that you'd probably want at least a reasonable sized monitor and some rotating display of audio/vision material presented from as many of your ALSes and countries as possible on a rolling show, with the opportunity that, if someone comes up and says, you know, what's happening in the Congo, that you can flip through and get to the Congo-specific presentation on that. I'm not sure you're going to be able to do much more than that, other than have some giveaways, even if it's just lollies, which is always attractive on displays. A big ball of lollies. Then you've got to have much more of your day by day for the whole of the conference. But, that's just my thoughts. What are other people's?
Fatimata Seye Sylla: Tijani, what do you think about that? I think it's not a bad idea at all. In fact, if you want to--.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: --I think it's a good idea. I think this has to be drafted, has to be written. We have to have another project. This is the project of the (inaudible) program. We have to get another – to write another project on the showcase. And I think that the showcase will be a very important thing in this event. The showcase will be the launch of the operation and will be also, if you want, the (inaudible) for the event and for the ALSes, if you want. So, I do think that we need to write something on it and to appoint someone now who will draft the paper about the showcase.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Fatimata, how about your and I work mainly on that, having already blooded ourselves on previous events.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Good idea, Cheryl. I support.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Can I also propose to this workgroup that, regardless of funders and regardless of capacity building going ahead or not, the showcase goes on.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Yes. But if the ALSes doesn't come, who will bring the material? Who will--?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Well, I'm quite sure that there are some postal opportunities.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Okay.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: If they can't seem to, you know, a PowerPoint if they have one, video if they have one and materials. I mean, they are going to be advertised whether they're there or not.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Yes. (Inaudible.) Why not. And also, we need someone to draft the – if you want, the language to be sent to the founders. We will send the project, but with a cover letter which will be a very good language that Cheryl stated (inaudible) ago, a few moments ago.
Heidi Ullrich: Tijani and Fatimata, I would be willing to help you with that.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Yes. For the founders, I prefer that it would be another (inaudible), another one. I prefer that Dave do this because Dave is more (inaudible) than myself. So, I prefer – is it possible, Dave?
Dave Kissoondoyal: Yeah. Yeah, sure.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Okay. So, Dave with Cheryl, together.
Dave Kissoondoyal: Okay.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Well, it sounds like Heidi--.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: --Okay, Cheryl?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: there is no way Heidi is going to escape, so, you know, you may as well add her name. Because--.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: -Heidi is-.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: --It has to involve her staff that are going to be working more closely with the ALSes. Because they're going to have individual questions. I mean, the region, yes, is going to – the RALO is going to be looking at the global and the regional ones. But it's the ALSes who are going to be doing the local stuff. And – although the RALO may be doing some local stuff as well. And they're going to need a little bit of hand-holding and a little bit of security and a little bit of am I doing this right or wrong advice. So, it has to involve Heidi's staff.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Um-hmm. Okay.
Dave Kissoondoyal: Absolutely.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Okay. Very good. I have another point, Fatimata and everyone. We talked about the AFRALO teleconference, the last one, about the need for the people who might come to Nairobi for the (inaudible) program, the need that they begin to start the procedure of visa. Because I have seen that certain nationalities – for certain persons, it will not be easy to get visa. So, why we don't call all the ALSes to apply for visa, if they will not come? Fatimata?
Heidi Ullrich: I believe--.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: --Hello?
Heidi Ullrich: Yes, I believe that Fatimata has dropped and we're trying to call her back.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Ah, okay. Okay. So, I think that it will be a good thing to do now because it will be a pity that we find money to bring people and they don't come because they don't have visa.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Yes. Okay. So, this means that, as regional leaders, Tijani, you and Fatimata need to contact each and every one of your ALSes and ask them a bunch of questions and give them some advice. The questions we've pretty much outlined and it'll be in the transcript of today's meeting anyway. You know, all of those – what they need to do and why they need to do it. And are there people going and, if they had support, would they be going? How much support do they need, blah, blah, blah.
We also need to tell them – proactive, so seeking out of visas to attend the meeting is important. Please do so now, even if you end up not using that visa. That would – obviously, you may get some people saying, ah, but it's going to cost me, you know, $20 US. Can I get that back? Let's puddle all of that together and bring that back within ICANN. Because if it's tiny enough like that, then I'm sure we can do something somehow somewhere if people, you know, pay for a visa and then never used it.
It may also be possible that people want alternative forms of transport, not airfare, or that they might already be in-country but just hadn't realized that they would have an opportunity to stay for an ICANN meeting and this might change their mind. So, you need to get some information back from the ALSes, as well as get them to get going on a few things. And if they identified for you local regulators, the national regulators, telcos and people who might be approached that they already have a relationship with, you can then say materials will be coming. And if you like, we can customize those materials to be quite specific to your contacts.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Right. You're right. Right. I think Fatimata joined now. No?
Fatimata Seye Sylla: Yes. I'm back.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Okay. Very good. So, she said that we need to contact – I raised the point of visa and I said that – we decided in AFRALO teleconference to contact all the ALSes to make them make their visa, if they don't come to Nairobi. And Cheryl added something with that. She said we have to have a communication with the ALSes, telling them about the regulators, about the visa, etc.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: And that material will be shortly coming their way.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Yes.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Heidi, when will we have sort of notes and AIs out of this meeting?
Heidi Ullrich: I'm hoping--.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: --Because we have to – really need to wrap it up soon.
Heidi Ullrich: Yes. I'm hoping by tomorrow. I can work on it today and send it by tomorrow.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Okay. So, the workgroup should have some tight AIs, that's action items, out of today's meeting within the next 24 hours. And those of us who've got specific tasks in terms of promotional material now can start doing some drafting. I am very, very committed to the next – for my working day on the pieces, profitable as opposed to volunteer work. So, I'm – I will get back to all of this, but it won't be until another 24 hours, I'm afraid.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: I think that – we have only to decide on the proposal. If it is accepted with the budget (inaudible) or budget change as we said, we can probably – no, we have to wait for the head – the cover letter that will be done by Dave and Cheryl. And can we expect that Monday, next Monday, we can send our requests to the founders?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Well, by next Monday you should have a document that the region can use and it can forward to the ALSes with an offer to customize it should that be required. Because local knowledge is what's going to be important. It may be in some countries there's a certain type of approach that works better than others.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: You are right. So, we will try to contact the ALSes tomorrow. And perhaps we will have--.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: --I think you should be doing your ALS outreach on the Monday when you've got a sample document to send them.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: (Inaudible.) Okay.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Mainly because it gives them something tangible. And remember, you'll just be sending to one contact. That contact then has to deal with whatever management form, executive or board structure it has within its organization.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: My concern, Cheryl, is that we are – time is running and we have real time constraints.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: And (inaudible) do you think is going to happen over a Saturday and a Sunday. Unless your countries work very differently to mine.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: No, it's the same.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Have I made my point, Tijani?
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Yes. Fatimata.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: Cheryl?
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Yes, Fatimata.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: Have we got the letters from ALAC for the ALSes?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: It's similar to the letter from ALAC. There's a – the other letter from ALAC is going to be part of that. It'll be folder of things.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: Okay. And also, I'd like to ask Anne-Rochelle and Alice if they have more ideas in terms of what maybe the sponsors would like to (inaudible) something a little different. I mean the potential sponsors, if you can hear me (inaudible), more items we could add. I'm trying to (inaudible).
Anne-Rochelle: (Inaudible) special sponsors?
Fatimata Seye Sylla: I can't hear you.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: I think we might have to continue this on list, or if and when people join the Google Wave. Fatimata, Tijani's joined Google Wave. Perhaps if you did, too. I think you should have got an invitation, but--.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: -I got it-.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Yes, you have. Thank you. And if you login, you'll see all sorts of conversations and things are listed there now on this workgroup. If – we need to make sure Anne-Rochelle and Mandia (ph) are part of this conversation. So, can I suggest that this – as this meeting closes that you make sure you continue online and that we make sure that the opportunity for some feedback early on then Monday from Mandia and Anne-Rochelle is done before things go out.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Okay.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Because then, they may be able to highlight some very specific suggestions or comments, or even potential sponsors to approach.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Yeah.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: Okay. Okay. Tijani?
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Yes? I – Fatimata, I do want to – that we appoint someone in charge of the showcase since the showcase is now a core or a main point of these activities. So, the best is that someone will be in charge of this, of this point. Showcase.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Didn't we--.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: -We want someone-.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: --Say that Fatimata and I would deal with that. And obviously, Fatimata is also going to need someone locally in Kenya to deal with. So, I assume Alice will appoint someone to work with locally. But I'm quite sure we did mention that Fatimata and I would do the workup on all of that.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Yes. Okay. Very good. It's very good. I wanted to confirm that because we spoke about the paper, about the draft.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Yes.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Now, we are speaking about the event itself.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: In my opinion, it has to be Fatimata as leader of the region. But more importantly, she can sub that out to whoever can do the work.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Okay.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: Yeah.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Okay. Very good. Very good, Cheryl. Thank you very much. Okay.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: I mean, you're going to have a roster, for example, of every ALS and regional person who attends. And that's gotta be managed within region.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Right. That's right.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: (Inaudible.)
Heidi Ullrich: So, to confirm, Fatimata will be the leader of the showcase.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Yep.
Heidi Ullrich: Okay. Thank you.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Yes. Yes.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: (Inaudible.)
Tijani Ben Jemaa: No. It was Heidi.
Heidi Ullrich: Sorry, Fatimata. It was Heidi.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Tijani and Fatimata--.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: -Yeah, I know-.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: --I'm really, really pressed for time.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: (Inaudible.)
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Yes. Cheryl?
Fatimata Seye Sylla: (Inaudible.) And Anne-Rochelle and Alice, I'm sure.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Cheryl was telling something?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: I was just saying I'm really pressed for time today.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Yes. Okay. You want to finish the meeting, that's it. I understand.
Fatimata, you are the maestro.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: Tijani, it's bad. I couldn't hear. I could not understand.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: You couldn't understand me? Cheryl is asking for ending the meeting.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: Yes. Yes. And I have – my head is pounding like crazy.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Oh, okay.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: So, if--.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: -My darling, my-.
(Multiple speakers.)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: --And recover. Tijani, thank you so much for chairing the meeting.
Alice, I must say it is a joy to have you back from holidays. We've been desperate to get you involved in all of this. And I know we've exchanged several emails, which we will now do that we're meeting on mutual ground on this concept.
Tijani, I'm going to have to leave now, but thank you very much. And we'll all be working online and looking towards having some productivity so that we have things out on Monday.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Okay. Thank you, Cheryl. Thank you very much.
Heidi Ullrich: Thank you.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: And we have to thank Alice particularly because we bring her from her holiday. We wish to work with her during this period for implementing these activities. So, try to keep in touch, Alice.
Alice Munyua: Yes. I shall.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Fatimata. Fatimata?
Fatimata Seye Sylla: (Inaudible.)
Tijani Ben Jemaa: You are the chair.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: (Inaudible.)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Okay. She's signing off now.
Fatimata Seye Sylla: I am the chair? I thought you were the chair? Okay. So, thank you, everybody and bye-bye.
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Yes. Okay. Thank you, everybody and--.
Dave Kissoondoyal: --Okay. Thank you.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: And Dave, we'll contact, but don't try and get anything out of me in the next 24 hours.
Anne-Rochelle, when you get the invitation from Google Wave, please activate it and I think you'll find it's going to be a very useful tool and I hope something that more and more regional and local use is made out of. I know (inaudible) for example on the board is quite excited about using this. And I think you'll find it's quite a good tool. And I look forward to continuing to work with all of you. Bye.
