Zoom chat: 2021-02-03 At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG)

15:35:35 From Yesim Nazlar to Everyone : Welcome to At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group Call taking place on Wednesday, 03 February 2021 at 13:00 UTC.
15:35:46 From Yesim Nazlar to Everyone : Agenda: https://community.icann.org/x/HQ9ACQ
15:58:59 From Roberto to Everyone : @CW at least some are here
15:59:12 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : Not even the top of the hour CW!
16:00:16 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone : Hello everyone!
16:00:30 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone : Good morning, good afternoon, good evening!
16:00:53 From Ram Krishna to Everyone : Good Morning , Good Afternoon , Good Evening
16:01:31 From Priyatosh Jana to Everyone : hi everyone
16:01:34 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone : Hi Everyone
16:01:58 From Laurin Benedikt Weissinger to Everyone : Hello everyone!
16:02:30 From Sarah Kiden to Everyone : Hi everyone
16:02:36 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) to Everyone : Hello
16:02:52 From Yesim Nazlar to Everyone : RTT Link: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN3
16:04:24 From Herb Waye Ombuds to Everyone : Good morning from the Ombuds office
16:05:20 From Laurin Benedikt Weissinger to Everyone : Apologies for the strange agenda; this is due to a conflict on my end…
16:05:30 From Heidi Ullrich to Everyone : Welcome, all.
16:05:30 From Laurin Benedikt Weissinger to Everyone : We are here.
16:07:24 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone : Info - SSR2 Webinar on Final Report will take place on 11 February at 15:00 UTC, will circulate info on the CPWG list
16:08:10 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone : Note I do have something important to raise on the EPDP, so we do need to allow some time for it (ie please don't run out).
16:08:51 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : Alan, you need feedback from the group?
16:08:54 From christopher wilkinson to Everyone : What does SSR2 stand for?
16:11:00 From Heidi Ullrich to Everyone : SSR Landing Page (with info on SSR2): https://www.icann.org/resources/reviews/specific-reviews/ssr
16:12:14 From Abdulrahman Abotaleb to Everyone : hello, how I can disable the subtitle that on the screen?!
16:13:18 From Satish Babu to Everyone : @Abdulrahman try clicking on the Closed Caption button at the bottom.
16:13:36 From Yesim Nazlar to Everyone : UPDATED RTT Link: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
16:17:54 From Alfredo Calderon (Mentor ICANN70) to Everyone : If any of the participants on the call is a Fellow, please add it on your name (Fellow70 or Fellow71).
16:18:43 From Lutz Donnerhacke to Everyone : Sorry, I'm late. Home schooling ...
16:22:51 From christopher wilkinson to Everyone : Sounds like we should read the revised document first.
16:23:26 From Holly Raiche to Everyone : Are there other major security issues that we should highlight?
16:29:33 From Alfredo Calderon (Mentor ICANN70) to Everyone : Welcome, ICANN70 Fellows. If any of the participants on the call is a Fellow, please add it on your name (Fellow70 or Fellow71). Thanks!
16:30:12 From Holly Raiche to Everyone : Was Compliance the subject of recommendations?
16:30:31 From Laurin Benedikt Weissinger to Everyone : Holly, yes!
16:30:55 From Laurin Benedikt Weissinger to Everyone : Section on DNS abuse contains those.
16:31:20 From Holly Raiche to Everyone : Thanks Laurin - they have been the subject of our concerns
16:32:27 From Laurin Benedikt Weissinger to Everyone : Essentially, the review team has been addressing compliance and what we perceived to be a lack of appropriate enforcement even against the worst offenders.
16:33:09 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : Laurin, have you been approached by the CPH to discuss?
16:33:12 From Holly Raiche to Everyone : Thanks Laurin - we’ve had stuff to say on the issue, as you will appreciate
16:34:05 From Laurin Benedikt Weissinger to Everyone : Jonathan, no — I am not privy potentially (even though as VC I presume I would be if that had happened.)
16:35:35 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : It does seem abundantly clear @Alan
16:35:47 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : and Yes it is a key piece!
16:36:26 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : from the POV of what our community has raised to date
16:36:40 From Laurin Benedikt Weissinger to Everyone : Holly: page 32 and below. I would however recommend looking at the whole abuse section.
16:37:10 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : Correct we have
16:37:11 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : Yes, several others
16:37:19 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : and IMO yes we should
16:37:21 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone : Yes ALAC should
16:37:38 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : TES
16:37:40 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : Y
16:37:43 From Marita Moll to Everyone : Yes, makes total sense
16:37:44 From Roberto to Everyone : We should
16:37:45 From Holly Raiche to Everyone : Thanks Laurin
16:37:51 From Alfredo Calderon (Mentor ICANN70) to Everyone : Yes!
16:37:54 From Holly Raiche to Everyone : Yes
16:37:55 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) to Everyone : +1 to submitting a comment
16:37:57 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone : Noted
16:38:04 From christopher wilkinson to Everyone : Yes. CW
16:38:12 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO to Everyone : Count me in.
16:38:16 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO to Everyone : Yes
16:38:29 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : Indeed @Alan!
16:38:29 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : Yes
16:40:01 From Steinar Grøtterød ISOC Norway to Everyone : Why BC? No other constituencies that will bring value information?
16:41:53 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone : Perhaps other parts of ICANN may also comment. We have worked closely with the BC for the entire EPDP (as well as with others).
16:42:31 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : Thanks @Hadia
16:42:52 From Steinar Grøtterød ISOC Norway to Everyone : I believe it would be of interest to hear comments from contractual parties, in particular registries and registrars within Europe
16:45:15 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : Good to hear @JZ
16:46:16 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : "ICANN org is trying to convene a webinar with representatives from the European Commission, hopefully to take place later this month. The objective is to provide the Commission with the opportunity to share information about recent regulatory initiatives of interest to the ICANN community (such as the proposed Directive on Security of Network and Information Systems (NIS 2), among others) and allow the community to hear from and ask initial questions of the Commission’s representatives. " - Mary
16:46:26 From Holly Raiche to Everyone : Agree with Alan - in the end, the response should come from ALAC - maybe with EURALO assistance?
16:46:56 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : GDPR in force.
16:47:23 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) to Everyone : @Sebastien this will take more than 18 months because now it is an adopted commission proposal for a revised directive after it goes through it will require 18 months to get into effect
16:48:01 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) to Everyone : nevertheless it makes no sense to ignore it
16:48:14 From Holly Raiche to Everyone : @ JZ - one hopes that there will be two sessions for the webinar - one with timing better for the APAC region
16:48:50 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : I doubt it, @Holly, given the guest speaker...
16:49:15 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : Yes, please do
16:49:37 From Holly Raiche to Everyone : @JZ - sadly
16:50:39 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond (Internet Society UK England) to Everyone : What is sad is that the EPDP, under the strong influence of some of the players, pushed back for years and now it is faced with national regulation.
16:51:34 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond (Internet Society UK England) to Everyone : and this sets a precedent. Imagine national regulation in many different jurisdictions. What happens next?
16:52:01 From Natalia Filina to Everyone : hello everyone, my apologies for the delay
16:53:19 From Laurin Benedikt Weissinger to Everyone : Dear all, I have to leave. Lecture needs to be given. Would have enjoyed discussing the DNS abuse bit. Should anything be required / useful there, let me know.
16:53:35 From Laurin Benedikt Weissinger to Everyone : Also, as I mentioned — any questions re SSR2, let me know!
16:53:47 From Alaina-Captioner to Everyone : https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
16:53:56 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) to Everyone : ignoring the obvious now does not serve anyone good
16:54:27 From christopher wilkinson to Everyone : OK,m I had clearly understood
16:54:36 From christopher wilkinson to Everyone : A comment to the EU.
16:54:49 From Laurin Benedikt Weissinger to Everyone : Thank you Alaina, I will monitor. Thank you all, have a good day!
16:55:00 From Holly Raiche to Everyone : Thanks Laurin
16:56:31 From Yesim Nazlar to Everyone : Kind reminder to please state your names before speaking.
16:56:33 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone : Thank you Laurin
16:56:58 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : Happy to do so @Justine and Yes we expect it in Feb at GNSO Council meeting... but things can always change
16:57:21 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone : i have to leave at the top of the hour sorry but have another commitment
17:00:36 From christopher wilkinson to Everyone : Have to leave the call. I suggest the charter should be deferred until cpwg has had a.timely debate. The current draft is not very mature.
17:02:12 From Steinar Grøtterød ISOC Norway to Everyone : DNS Abuse Framework site: http://dnsabuseframework.org/
17:05:58 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : the bright line around content needs to be considered from a wide At-Large perspective here
17:06:37 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : Globally we may have some varience in our views... but stating that is OK from my POV
17:07:15 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : Just a start to the conversation
17:09:26 From Holly Raiche to Everyone : It isn’t about Joanna - but it is about the real issue of where the line can be drawn
17:11:03 From Holly Raiche to Everyone : @Alan +1
17:12:09 From Steinar Grøtterød ISOC Norway to Everyone : Adding “content abuse” will be tricky. Mainly due to content is defined different per jurisdictions and few good sources to identify content abuse
17:14:17 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone : Many contracted parties are responsible in the countries they operate
17:14:33 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone : therefore their mandate is more extensive
17:18:07 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : Data here (even anecdotal feedback) seems essential here Yes @JZ
17:19:01 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : And again even articulation of diverse points of view will be valuable IMO
17:19:23 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : ++ Greg
17:20:21 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond (Internet Society UK England) to Everyone : Trust is important and it convers a whole range of things.
17:20:24 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : Yes, @Cheryl we need the diverse opinions in our deliberations but I continue to believe that we need to formulate SOME kind of consensus position that we all agree to evangelize, whenever speaking on behalf of the community, instead of personally
17:20:28 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : a squiggly line @Greg ;-)
17:21:17 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : yes there is being heard and having influence ( nice to have a balance of both IMO
17:23:06 From Yesim Nazlar to Everyone : We can not hear you Hadia
17:24:26 From Lutz Donnerhacke to Everyone : I've to leave
17:25:11 From Yrjo Lansipuro to Everyone : Governments and other actors around the world have awoken to the “content” problems especially on SM and determined to do something. The problem is that they might try to solve the content problems by hitting then-cotent layers. An that is certainly a problem for ICANN, too
17:25:39 From Yrjo Lansipuro to Everyone : Hitting the non-content layers
17:26:27 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) to Everyone : @Jonathan I put my hand up again - for the previous slide - when you finish this one
17:28:38 From Herb Waye Ombuds to Everyone : I have to leave… take care all… stay safe and be kind.
17:29:03 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : bye @herb
17:32:33 From Justine Chew to Everyone : I think we should consider both DNS Abuse and Abuse using DNS Infrastructure
17:33:54 From Justine Chew to Everyone : Yup, I agree with Greg
17:34:52 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong to Everyone : DNS Abuse is also Internet / domaine name of end user abuse
17:34:58 From Gregory Shatan to Everyone : I would call it Abuse of the DNS Infrastructure and Abuse DNS Infrastructure, together equaling "DNS Abuse."
17:35:18 From Marita Moll to Everyone : That does, at least, draw some clearer outlines on the discussion @justin @greg
17:35:26 From Gregory Shatan to Everyone : Sorry, second category should be Abuse Using the DNS Infrastructure.
17:36:56 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone : Noted, thanks Olivier
17:37:01 From Yrjo Lansipuro to Everyone : Justine and Greg +1
17:37:49 From Gregory Shatan to Everyone : I will try to look over the SSR Final Report but hesitate to promise....
17:37:56 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone : Thank you Greg, noted :)
17:38:16 From Gregory Shatan to Everyone : "Volunteering with trepidation"
17:38:35 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : :-)
17:39:03 From Gregory Shatan to Everyone : Apologies, but I must drop off for a 9:30 call I am now late for.
17:39:47 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : SSR2 recs could be a good topic, if there's been time to read it.
17:40:08 From Alaina-Captioner to Everyone : Hello. This is the captioner. I need to drop off at this time for my next scheduled event. Sorry for the inconvenience.
17:40:30 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : Thank You for your assistance Alaina
17:40:40 From Alaina-Captioner to Everyone : You're welcome!
17:40:49 From Yesim Nazlar to Everyone : Thank you Alaina
17:42:39 From Olivier Crépin-Leblond (Internet Society UK England) to Everyone : Thank you @Alaina
17:42:41 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone : Thank you Yrjö
17:43:56 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC) to Everyone : Thank you all - I shall need to leave now, bye
17:44:03 From Natalia Filina to Everyone : I have to leave the call. Thank you all, interesting covered topics and discussion. Bye to all, take care
17:44:10 From Michel TCHONANG LINZE to Everyone : Thank Team and all, very good meeting, bye bye
17:44:23 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong to Everyone : thanks and bye 
17:44:24 From Abdulrahman Abotaleb Fellow64 to Everyone : thank you all
17:44:28 From Seun Ojedeji to Everyone : Thanks and bye
17:44:46 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : Bye for now then...
17:44:47 From Abdulrahman Abotaleb Fellow64 to Everyone : have a nice night for all
17:44:50 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone : Thank you all, as always!
17:45:14 From Yesim Nazlar to Everyone : Next Call: 10 February at 19:00 UTC
17:45:22 From pari esfandiari to Everyone : thank you everyone
17:45:33 From Sarah Kiden to Everyone : Thank you
17:45:34 From Ram Krishna to Everyone : Thank you Ecevryone
17:45:35 From Steinar Grøtterød ISOC Norway to Everyone : Thanks
17:45:39 From Ram Krishna to Everyone : Everyone