Sub-group Members: Avri Doria, Jordan Carter, Pam Little (3)
Staff: Bernard Turcotte, Yvette Guigneaux
Apologies: Julf Helsingius, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, Alan Greenberg, Seun Ojedeji
** If your name is missing from attendance or apology, please send note to acct-staff@icann.org **
Transcript
Recording
The Adobe Connect recording is available here: https://participate.icann.org/p8lgapyxy7o/
The audio recording is available here: https://audio.icann.org/accountability/ccwg-accountability-staff-27oct16-en.mp3
Notes
(including relevant parts of chat):
3 participants at start of call - Will carry on anyways.
SOI
Jordan Carter: (no changes)
Action Items from previous meeting
Rapporteurs’ reply to email from ICANN CEO
Jordan Carter: Goran has confirmed he will attend the CCWG F2F.
Avri Doria: Will consider his answer to the CCWG Co-Chairs to also be an answer to us.
Jordan Carter: Status report completed.
Snapshot Hyderabad Report Submitted
Avri Doria: (presentation of report)
Questions document - Group discussion and review- Next steps for this document - How do we get the questions answered
Jordan Carter: Our request is that we would ask CCWG staff to get the relevant parts of staff to answer within a reasonable timeframe (December).
Avri Doria: there are 4 points which did not get inserted in the document because they were not accepted. These are: avri doria: Are individual staff members accountable to the ICANN community, or are they only accountable to their bosses in the ICANN staff hierarchy? In other words are there multiple points of staff accountability to the community or is only the CEO accountable. Are their different accountability structures for policy staff who are an integral part of the community processes than there is for operational staff, e.g. GDd? Is the CEO accountable to the Board, to the ICANN community or to both? Are staff, members of the ICANN community? Are they stakeholders in any sense? If they are stakeholders, how does their position in a hierarchical top down structure affect the nature of their stakeholder relationship to the rest of the community.
Avri Doria: Still unclear on how to take the next step and where to get the answers to these.
Pam Little: would Sam Eisner be helpful in this.
Jordan Carter: I will do a final edit and submit to CCWG staff asking where these questions should be addressed officially.
Next steps - work plan
Drafter/s for Doc 1 (roles of staff, board, etc. document, includes definitions of staff/board/etc., and description of interactions among staff/board/etc.)
Drafter/s for Doc 2 (staff code of conduct and other internal matters document)
Jordan Carter: Have to advise our rapporteurs that once we get the information from ICANN there will have to be some writing by more than just the rapporteurs.
Avri Doria: Rapporteurs will have to participate in the writing.
Pam Little: happy to assist on either. But Steve Crocker has said there are overlaps with the AOC reviews - what is the status of this?
Avri Doria: have not heard there is any intent to merge any of our work. As to ATRT3 - WS2 work stays in WS2.
Pam Little: are we meeting in Hyderabad as a sub-group.
Jordan Carter: no and no facilities for a formal meeting.
Avri Doria: Very informal meetings are possible.
Pam Little: Would be nice to meet the people who are working on this.
Avri Doria: We could ask the sub-group people to stand up group by group at the F2F.
Jordan Carter: good idea.
AOB
Jordan Carter: (note). Will send the questions to staff. Adjourned.
Documents Presented
WS2StaffAccountabiltyReport (2).pdf
StaffAcctQusorinfotoget-workingdraft (1).pdf
Chat Transcript
Yvette Guigneaux: Welcome all to the Staff Accountability Subgroup Meeting #4 | on Wednesday, 27 October @ 05: 00 UTC!
Yvette Guigneaux: This meeting will be recorded. Press *6 to mute and unmute your phone
Jordan Carter (co-rapporteur): hello Yvette, Avri
avri doria: hi
Yvette Guigneaux: Hello Jordan & Avri
Jordan Carter (co-rapporteur): I have my dial out sorted and am now connected
Jordan Carter (co-rapporteur): hello CLO
Yvette Guigneaux: oh ok Jordan - just saw the chat here - you can just refuse the dial out call if you don't need it
Jordan Carter (co-rapporteur): no no - that's what I meant - I'm on the dial out
Jordan Carter (co-rapporteur): as well as on adobe : -)
Yvette Guigneaux: oh ok good! yay!
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: hello
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: I will be your alternate note taker today
Pam Little: Thank you, Jordan.
Pam Little: I am on mute, I think.
Jordan Carter (co-rapporteur): Is there a minimum threshold for particiants for a call to happen, team?
Jordan Carter (co-rapporteur): Yep Pam - you are on mute, or not talking, or both : -)
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: Rapporteur's choice Jordan
avri doria: well since the call is recorded, it may be worth runing though in any case.
avri doria: but i would give it a few more minutes.
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: But review of CEP had 8 today I think
Jordan Carter (co-rapporteur): this is 1am Eastern isn't it?
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: yup
avri doria: yes, 1am
avri doria: eastern US
Jordan Carter (co-rapporteur): 6pm here in NZL
Jordan Carter (co-rapporteur): who is 243676811?
Yvette Guigneaux: Please identify for the record
Pam Little: that's me, Pam Little.
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: aha
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: so 2 Jordans and 2 Pams
Jordan Carter (co-rapporteur): we are multiplying
Yvette Guigneaux: LOL
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: Unique Avri
Yvette Guigneaux: Scrolling available
Jordan Carter (co-rapporteur): In the notes it says I have no SOI - I have no SOI changes, mine is as it stood when I first lodged it : -)
avri doria: Are individual staff members accountable to the ICANN community, or are they only accountable to their bosses in the ICANN staff hierarchy? In other words are there multiple points of staff accountability to the community or is only the CEO accountable.Are their different accountability structures for policy staff who are an integral part of the community processes than there is for operational staff, e.g. GDd?Is the CEO accountable to the Board, to the ICANN community or to both?Are staff, members of the ICANN community? Are they stakeholders in any sense? If they are stakeholders, how does their position in a hierarchical top down structure affect the nature of their stakeholder relationship to the rest of the community.
Yvette Guigneaux: Avri - would you like this document posted on the wiki page?
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: no worries
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: nice idea Avri
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: bye all
Yvette Guigneaux: Night everyone
