Members: Alan Greenberg, Avri Doria, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, David McAuley, Finn Petersen, Greg Shatan, Izumi Okutani, Julie Hammer, Kavouss Arasteh, Sebastien Bachollet, Thomas Rickert.
Participants: Anne Aikman-Scalese, Christopher Wilkinson, Erich Schweighofer, Farzaneh Badii, Jeff Neuman, Krishna Seeurn, Mark Carvell, Michael Flemming, Niels ten Oever, Rafik Dammak, Tatiana Tropina.
Observers/Guests: Maemura Akinori.
ICANN Organization: Bernard Turcotte, Brenda Brewer, Yvette Guigneaux.
Apologies: Rosalía Morales, Alberto Soto, Jordan Carter, Leon Sanchez
** If your name is missing from attendance or apology, please send note to acct-staff@icann.org **
Transcript
Recording
Agenda
Introduction, update to SOIs, reminder on standards of behavior
Review of Agenda
Administration
3.1 Confirmation by the plenary of transfer of responsibilities of the CEP sub-group to the IOT.
Legal Committee Update
4.1 No pending requests
Update on schedule and status of sub-groups
First Reading of the draft recommendations of the Diversity sub-group
AOB
Next Plenary - Wednesday 27 September 1300UTC
Adjournment
Raw Caption Notes
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Decisions:
- CEP sub-group is closed down and its issues for consideration are transferred to the IOT sub-group.
- The CCWG-Accountability will not consider recommendations from a sub-group for inclusion in the final report if they have not been through at least one public comment period.
- The Diversity draft recommendations successfully completed its first reading.
- The point on quorum from Kavouss Arasteh will be put at the top of the agenda for the next meeting.
Action Items:
- (none)
Requests:
- (none)
Documents:
AC Chat
Brenda Brewer: (8/29/2017 21:25) Good day all and welcome to CCWG Accountability Plenary Meeting #20 on 30 August 2017 @ 05:00 UTC!
Brenda Brewer: (21:26) This meeting will be recorded. Please mute your phone when not speaking by pressing *6 (star 6) *6 will also unmute.
Brenda Brewer: (21:27) Please state your name when speaking for captioning/transcription. Thank you!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) APRegional ALAC Member: (21:57) Hi everyone
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (21:58) hELLO ALL
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (21:58) oops caps lock
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) APRegional ALAC Member: (21:59) :-)
Tatiana Tropina: (22:01) Hi all
Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC): (22:01) Hi Tatiana and everyone
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) APRegional ALAC Member: (22:02) Gee Anne it seems like only hours since we were on another call ;-)
Farzaneh Badii: (22:02) Hello
Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC): (22:02) yes Cheryl - we are online dating I think. ;-)
Kavouss Arasteh: (22:03) Thomas and Leon.
Kavouss Arasteh: (22:03) GM ,i have a point to add to the agenda
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) APRegional ALAC Member: (22:03) :-) several of us seem to be Anne :-)
Alan Greenberg: (22:03) Anne, if Cheryl is dating everyone who she sees (very) regularly on conference calles, that would be the equivalent of a harem!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) APRegional ALAC Member: (22:04) LOL
Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC): (22:04) yes Alan - she deserves it!
Alan Greenberg: (22:04) A LARGE harem.
Greg Shatan: (22:04) Hello all. Harem member here.
Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC): (22:04) But what is the male equivalent?
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (22:04) male harem = himrem?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) APRegional ALAC Member: (22:04) LOL
Alan Greenberg: (22:04) Not sure what the term is for a dual gender harem. We may have to coin one.
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (22:05) needs a WG
Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC): (22:05) haremaeus
Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC): (22:05) sorry i am punchy and it's only 10 here
Alan Greenberg: (22:05) I'm sure we have just violated the standards of behaviour.
Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC): (22:06) For sure
Greg Shatan: (22:07) I thought quorum rule was 5 participants by 5 minutes after the hour.
Alan Greenberg: (22:07) That is for sub groups I think.
Kavouss Arasteh: (22:07) Greg,
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) APRegional ALAC Member: (22:07) that is a good practice followed by many groups but not a hard 'rule'I beleive Greg
Greg Shatan: (22:08) Alan, that was the topic suggested for AOB, as I understood it.
Alan Greenberg: (22:09) You're right. I missed that when kavouss was speaking.
Kavouss Arasteh: (22:09) It may be as such but when I proposed that in a meeting ,people said where this figure comes from and even the OMBUDS INTERVENED SAYING "sTEP OUT OF THIS NO."
Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC): (22:09) For the transcript, the "indiscernable" part was the name "David McAuley"
David McAuley: (22:09) thanks Anne
Sebastien (ALAC): (22:12) Final repport of the external reveiwer for the Ombuds
Sebastien (ALAC): (22:13) Not yet the one of our IOO subgroup
David McAuley: (22:19) I think that means a PC period per subgroup and then one PC for the plenary report
Greg Shatan: (22:19) One.
Thomas Rickert, Co-Chair: (22:19) one
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) APRegional ALAC Member: (22:19) only time for one I believe
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) APRegional ALAC Member: (22:23) ONE
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) APRegional ALAC Member: (22:25) This *is* a plenary CCWG meeting isn't it ???
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) APRegional ALAC Member: (22:26) A planary or full CCWG report is also an outcome
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) APRegional ALAC Member: (22:26) exctly Thomas very clear
Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC): (22:26) @David - that seems correct.
David McAuley: (22:27) Thanks Bernie
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) APRegional ALAC Member: (22:27) Yes Thank you Bernie
Greg Shatan: (22:28) It does mean that it is critical to focus on substance and not on procedure, in order to complete our work.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) APRegional ALAC Member: (22:28) and Sebastien of course he has been a key contributor to our work
Julie Hammer: (22:31) Fine by me too!
Sebastien (ALAC): (22:31) No - Go Julie
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) APRegional ALAC Member: (22:32) yes
Kavouss Arasteh: (22:33) tHOMAS, DID NOT YOU NOTICED THAT MY HAND WAS RAISED
Kavouss Arasteh: (22:33) Sorry for CAP
Thomas Rickert, Co-Chair: (22:34) Kavouss, I will move to Cheryl, Sebastien and then to you after Julies presentation!
Thomas Rickert, Co-Chair: (22:34) I did in fact not see your hand before giving the floor to Julie
Kavouss Arasteh: (22:36) PLS KINDLY RECOGNIZE THE RIGHTS OF FORMAL MEMBER OF ccwg AND DO NOT KINDLY IGNORE THAT
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) APRegional ALAC Member: (22:36) There are numeroud forml Members of CCWG here Kavouss who are you refering to?
Kavouss Arasteh: (22:37) Sorry again for cap as you should not interprete it as having any intention that mtyping errors
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) APRegional ALAC Member: (22:38) be good to go through the Recommendations
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) APRegional ALAC Member: (22:39) next slide?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) APRegional ALAC Member: (22:39) oops too early
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) APRegional ALAC Member: (22:39) hit return
Kavouss Arasteh: (22:40) Cheryrl, I refer you to the charter that each chartering orgaization has nominated 5 person as member
Kavouss Arasteh: (22:41) By the way my question was raised with Thomas and not anyone else
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) APRegional ALAC Member: (22:41) I knw perfectly well what a Member is here Kavouss so far in this call No one who has spoken is other than a Member as such, and I was asking who you thought was being ignored amoungst the numerous of us here today
David McAuley: (22:42) so diversity in skills may differ from SO to SO, AC to AC?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) APRegional ALAC Member: (22:42) We discussed this in the group @David and most of us seemed to agree that was the case
David McAuley: (22:42) certainly agree that diversity in skills is needed on board -
Kavouss Arasteh: (22:42) Kavouss Arasteh's request was ignored
Kavouss Arasteh: (22:43) Yes
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) APRegional ALAC Member: (22:44) people can also tye questions or claryfying points here of course
Kavouss Arasteh: (22:45) wHO IS /WAS THE RAPPORTEUR FOR THIS GROUP?
Kavouss Arasteh: (22:46) kAREN, i have a question pls
David McAuley: (22:46) ok, thanks
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (22:46) @Kavous Fiona Asonga and Rafik Dammak - Fiona could not join and Rafik is here but can only listen
Thomas Rickert, Co-Chair: (22:47) Kavouss, you say to Karen you have a question. Do you mean Julie?
Thomas Rickert, Co-Chair: (22:47) We go to you in a moment
Kavouss Arasteh: (22:47) I have a qestion pls
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) APRegional ALAC Member: (22:48) Yes Alan
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) APRegional ALAC Member: (22:48) footnote noted
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) APRegional ALAC Member: (22:51) Self determination (where "self"rfers to the AC/SO and component parts
Alan Greenberg: (22:51) SO far, the onlty rec we have heard are a definition and a requirement to state what diversities are currently enshrined of applicable. Let's hear about the rest before we say it is too hard to do.
David McAuley: (22:51) These are helpful comments Julie and CLO
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) APRegional ALAC Member: (22:52) what a great idea Alan
Farzaneh Badii: (22:52) language is not age!
Farzaneh Badii: (22:53) this actually works in favor of developing countries . I don't know why certain people are opposed it though the recommendations work for their countries ...
Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC): (22:54) COMMENT I could see language diversity as important in relation to idns in particular.
Greg Shatan: (22:54) The basic point on language is to enable the participation of those with diverse language skills.
Greg Shatan: (22:54) As I understand it.
Farzaneh Badii: (22:55) yeah if diversity would prevail we could have had Farsi translation of some stuff that was important and benefitial for Farsi speakers.
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (22:58) @Kavouss you can follow it in the captioning
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) APRegional ALAC Member: (22:59) Yes agree Thomas
David McAuley: (23:00) Good idea Thomas
Alan Greenberg 2: (23:00) Perhaps a better wording would be Each SO/AC/Group, with the support of IDCANN staff, should...
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) APRegional ALAC Member: (23:00) We can note that Alan
Alan Greenberg: (23:01) Otherwise I read supported by icann staff as a descriptor of (some) groups
Rafik: (23:01) sorry I have to leave the call, Thanks Julie for presenting the recommendations
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) APRegional ALAC Member: (23:01) Bye Rafik Thanl you
Alan Greenberg: (23:03) Julie's voice is fading
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) APRegional ALAC Member: (23:03) it is our lousy Internet in AU Alan
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) APRegional ALAC Member: (23:04) Well dne Julie Thanks
David McAuley: (23:06) With SO/AC self determination I think such a central office might be a mistake, but open to hearing reasons pro and con
Finn Petersen: (23:06) Important to specify our requirements and not prescribe solutions/Implementation issues
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) APRegional ALAC Member: (23:07) this is nt a matter we have cme to an agreement on David so many details remain un explored
David McAuley: (23:07) Thanks CLO
Erich Schweighofer: (23:08) Sorry I have to leave - travelling back to Vienna.
Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC): (23:08) COMMENT I think it would be important for the Office of Diversity to be a resource driven Office to help the community develop more diversity - as opposed to the "Diversity Police" spending most of its time taking complaints. Someone in such an office who has skills in developing diversity would be useful.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) APRegional ALAC Member: (23:10) and we look forward to getting any feedback on it ... perhaps on our list
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) APRegional ALAC Member: (23:10) bad audio Seb
Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC): (23:10) Sorry I have to go - thank you. Anne
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) APRegional ALAC Member: (23:12) Bye Anne
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) APRegional ALAC Member: (23:12) Thanks Julie
Alan Greenberg: (23:13) Thansk Julie.
Kavouss Arasteh: (23:13) Julie, I AM SORRY IF i referred to you as Karen
Julie Hammer: (23:15) No problem, Kavouss! :-)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) APRegional ALAC Member: (23:15) Thank you for your advice, wisdom and experience in these matters of Diversity Kavouss
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) APRegional ALAC Member: (23:16) We still have another Agenda item do we not?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) APRegional ALAC Member: (23:16) items
Farzaneh Badii: (23:17) well I hope times have changed and you can implement diversity criteria . we dont have to always talk from the experience. sometimes experience is wrong...
Julie Hammer: (23:17) Good comment, Sebastien
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) APRegional ALAC Member: (23:17) Thanks Seb
David McAuley: (23:17) Agree with Kavouss's note of appreciation to those who worked on this report
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) APRegional ALAC Member: (23:17) some edits from our 1st reading ... Thank you all
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) APRegional ALAC Member: (23:20) We did discuss this matter on several occasions though Seb in the WT
Alan Greenberg: (23:20) I read the Office of Diversity as an issue that will be highlighted with input solicited during the public Comment.
Alan Greenberg: (23:21) I put my comment above.
Julie Hammer: (23:21) Should be seen as a question on which we seek feedback
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) APRegional ALAC Member: (23:21) that is how the report was meant to be read I thought to seek wider than the WT's views
Thomas Rickert, Co-Chair: (23:21) thanks, Alan
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) APRegional ALAC Member: (23:21) CCWG and beyond
Sebastien (ALAC): (23:22) Thanks Julie again well done
Alan Greenberg: (23:22) I need to leave now. Good meeting .Thansk.
Sebastien (ALAC): (23:22) Thanks all for your inputs
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) APRegional ALAC Member: (23:22) well worth the effort everyone THANKS
Kavouss Arasteh: (23:22) Pls include my concerns as clearly indicated
Sebastien (ALAC): (23:22) Bye
David McAuley: (23:22) Thanks Thomas, good bye all
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) APRegional ALAC Member: (23:22) bye
Tatiana Tropina: (23:22) bye all
Farzaneh Badii: (23:23) bye
