Zoom chat: 2020-04-06 ALS Mobilization Working Party Call

12:54:08 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Indeed you do need to do what you can
12:54:53 From Amrita Choudhury : Hi Everyone
12:55:11 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : We can tell by the static ;-)
12:55:43 From Heidi Ullrich : Welcome, All.
12:56:05 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : is it the headset or the jack connection laptop side, one cheeper to replace than the other
12:57:04 From Filina Natalia (EURALO Secretary) : Hello Alan, Michelle, everyone!
13:01:51 From Alan Greenberg : https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/2020-04-06+ALS+Mobilization+Working+Party+Call
13:02:03 From Filina Natalia (EURALO Secretary) : thank you!
13:02:13 From Michelle DeSmyter : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LFRlVtMd0WmYcYTAVDDbpkNSsx3Q_FQmMa0prc3yrzU/edit?ts=5e8b6473#
13:03:43 From Judith Hellerstein : This is my 5th zoom call today
13:05:07 From Michelle DeSmyter : We have Yrjo on the phone
13:05:17 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : Wow Judith. Are you competing with Cheryl? The test is how many were on at the same time?
13:06:27 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : and between midnight and dawn ;-)
13:06:32 From Judith Hellerstein : not really sure why
13:07:12 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : @Mareen was trying to be amusing @Judith
13:07:17 From Judith Hellerstein : starting at 1100 UTC with the DCAD call and then the IGF webinar turned out to be 2 hours
13:07:33 From Judith Hellerstein : then two other calls
13:07:35 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : Thanks Judith..
13:08:29 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : My question is what are the VOTES that overlap is there actually a problem we need to solve for
13:09:38 From Judith Hellerstein : Yes, a different nuance to the way Alan was phasing it
13:10:06 From ali almeshal : what is the current status ?
13:10:39 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : OK
13:11:02 From Nadira Al Araj : yes there are, I know couple but I don't know how many
13:11:07 From David Mackey : yes, that answer would be nice to have
13:12:26 From Judith Hellerstein : What is she showing here
13:13:14 From Judith Hellerstein : Most of the ISOC chapters are NPOC Members
13:13:36 From Amrita Choudhury : Not most...quite a few
13:13:36 From Judith Hellerstein : I think what you showed was only NCUC members
13:14:06 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh (TTCS) : Don't see harm
13:14:13 From Amrita Choudhury : There is a concern especially interest of stakeholder perspective
13:14:18 From Glenn McKnight, Foundation for Building Sustainable Communities : I don't see any harm
13:14:21 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : I have NEVER seen any harm for the record BTW
13:14:23 From Filina Natalia (EURALO Secretary) : no harm
13:14:30 From Sarah Kiden : No harm
13:14:40 From Judith Hellerstein : I do not see a harm
13:14:52 From Barrack Otieno : No harm
13:14:52 From ali almeshal : so then we don’t have a problem to be addressed here
13:14:55 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : people tend to get very *reactive* when ever the term "Vote"is used IMO
13:15:10 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : or they can do so rather than Do so
13:15:18 From Amrita Choudhury : not harm but concerns of interest
13:15:18 From Barrack Otieno : Vote is sensitive clo
13:15:41 From Barrack Otieno : It evokes emotions
13:15:53 From Filina Natalia (EURALO Secretary) : +1 @Amrita
13:16:53 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : Does NCSG have a rule themselves about whether you can vote in their system as well as in others (like At-Large)?
13:16:56 From Nadira Al Araj : There is no order when to join any of the RALO or NCUC
13:18:28 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh (TTCS) : NCSG membership form : https://members.ncsg.is/membership_application
13:18:57 From Judith Hellerstein : I do not, Just get NPOC emails
13:19:54 From Judith Hellerstein : I am an alternate member of NPOC not the primary member
13:21:01 From Bastiaan Goslings : (Sorry, computer issues, had to reboot)
13:21:15 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh (TTCS) : According to NCSG OP : "We also welcome individuals with a technical background whose DNS activities advance non-commercial policy objectives. For example, if you have a company that uses WHOIS personal data of domain registrants to provide software for others, you are not eligible to apply for NCSG. If you do business in the digital realm but are passionate about the non-commercial aspects of DNS policy, as long as the company does not directly relate to DNS, you can still apply as a non-commercial individual. If you are a member of At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) and Regional At-Large Organizations (RALOs)[1], as long as you have non-commercial interest and agree to promote non-commercial interests in NCSG, you are eligible to apply."
13:21:25 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : @David I believe that the declarations are indeed a tool to manage perceived risks .harms or future conflict or the dreaded "double dipping" in a single Vote exercise
13:21:47 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : We can not have rules that are based on perception. I suggest that we eliminate these rule and move forward. We have been on this fro more than three weeks now.
13:22:15 From David Mackey : @Cheryl. Yes, that makes sense. thank you.
13:22:25 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : He just affirms that Indivifuals can join NCSG directly *as I said*
13:22:28 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : @Alan.. I agree to ask for declarations, allow the dual voting with parameters, and reassess a little down the track
13:22:28 From Judith Hellerstein : I agree with CLO
13:22:51 From Judith Hellerstein : I see no harm in this
13:22:54 From Filina Natalia (EURALO Secretary) : agree, declaration as prevention mesures
13:23:10 From David Mackey : perception can be “harm”, but evidence can be used to address the perception
13:23:15 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Yes there is always a reactive few on this topic inmy experience at least...
13:24:07 From Judith Hellerstein : I cannot hear nadira
13:24:19 From Glenn McKnight, Foundation for Building Sustainable Communities : I have been a NCUC for years. I never got an election ballot. I am sure most people vote in only one community. Its like in Canada you have a cottage home and permanent residence. You vote in your permanent residence location.
13:24:26 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : But they don't vote for the same Leadership pool(s)
13:24:45 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : Chery +1
13:25:09 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : How does a Leadership outcome in one part of ICANN effect or HARM another @Nadira?
13:25:11 From Judith Hellerstein : In NPOC you vote for leaders not on issues
13:25:34 From yrjolansipuro : A declaration would be necessary and sufficient, if an ALS wants to be an institutional member of some other
13:25:53 From yrjolansipuro : SO/AC or part thereof
13:25:59 From Judith Hellerstein : Only thing is council you elect people to council
13:26:00 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : Let’s table this rule and mention in the report that there was no consensus on this one.
13:26:04 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Nope I just totally do not see this as a factor of 2 in influence at all @Nadira
13:26:13 From David Mackey : @Eduardo agreed
13:26:26 From Judith Hellerstein : @eduardo agree with you
13:26:53 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : It could be argued @Nadira that there is already a type of person bias by being an ICANN volunteer in the first place!!!
13:27:07 From Bastiaan Goslings : I am somewhat confused but if Eduardo is right (= no consensus) then I agree with him
13:27:24 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : indeed @Alan again that is why we ask for details in Statements of Interest
13:27:47 From Filina Natalia (EURALO Secretary) : And we can consider this controversial issue in this way: it is mandatory to declare, and then, depending on the case, individually decide on each ALS - probably depending on the property and type of activities of ALS, this may be critical or not critical.
13:28:23 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh (TTCS) : So the whole organisation has to suffer if a person from the organisation wants to advocate for Non profit organisations or non commercial interests (or there are persons from org want to focus on commercial interests?)
13:29:11 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : @Dev only if that person is representing the organization in those organizations
13:29:41 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh (TTCS) : @Eduardo I would say not even that
13:29:42 From Amrita Choudhury : Yes individuals is a concern
13:29:56 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Move on @Alan I was mearly trying to respond to some of @Nadira's concerns re Leadershop outcomes
13:30:08 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : An ALS decision about a vote is going to involve a consensus of all their members within their own organisation, so it is not as if we are looking at an specific individual interest.
13:30:55 From Amrita Choudhury : Nadira perhaps you can share an example
13:31:04 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh (TTCS) : could you summarize what Nadira replied?
13:31:15 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh (TTCS) : cause Nadira sounded faint to me
13:31:20 From Amrita Choudhury : there can be a potential concern
13:31:22 From Judith Hellerstein : Let’s move on
13:31:33 From David Mackey : yes
13:31:35 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh (TTCS) : yes
13:31:43 From Judith Hellerstein : Just declare it. It is fine
13:31:45 From Bastiaan Goslings : Agree with you @Alan
13:31:51 From ali almeshal : Agree
13:31:52 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : agree
13:31:54 From Sarah Kiden : Agree
13:32:21 From Nadira Al Araj : NCUC organizational members when they vote for their leadership their vote is counted for 2.
13:35:57 From Amrita Choudhury : many regions have newsletter
13:36:14 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Most do I think nowdays
13:36:22 From Amrita Choudhury : with community and staff involvement
13:37:33 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : the good old work smart not hard is my adage here
13:39:33 From Heidi Ullrich : Alan, there may be people in ALSes that are only interested in one or two policies. They wait until that issue is discussed
13:40:00 From Heidi Ullrich : So, by focusing only one one target - those that know little about ICANN, are we missing the others within ALSes?
13:40:59 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : Staff already contribute to monthly newsletters to disseminate information about policy and outreach as well as ICANN Org matters. So I think we already have something in place.
13:41:15 From Heidi Ullrich : There is also a quarterly summary of ALAC statements that is produced.
13:41:35 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : +1 Heidi
13:42:11 From David Mackey : @Dev yes, integration with other comms plans is a good idea
13:42:15 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : I tend to agree with you on the COmms planning here @Dev
13:42:32 From Amrita Choudhury : there are already initiatives are on...I do not think any more initiatives are required..perhaps best to see how the existing initiatives work and then propose later
13:42:44 From Heidi Ullrich : This is all part of the post-ATLAS III activities within Comms, Cap Building and O/E.
13:42:46 From Amrita Choudhury : based on gaps observed then
13:42:55 From Filina Natalia (EURALO Secretary) : +1 Heidi
13:43:15 From Heidi Ullrich : However, I think that communication needs to be targeted at different levels of awareness.
13:43:42 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : Setting up another communication expectation for more emails per month may be OTT for some organisations... and some of it may be irrelevant to what ALSes do in their communities anyway
13:43:57 From Heidi Ullrich : @Alan, could we add language in this report that staff will work with the leads of the O/E, Cap Building and Communications activities?
13:44:02 From Amrita Choudhury : Agree Maureen
13:44:12 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : That would resonate for me @Heidi
13:44:19 From David Mackey : +1 @Heidi
13:44:24 From Heidi Ullrich : And note the joint ALAC/GAC statement of the need for simple language
13:45:21 From David Mackey : Need a “copy writer” not an “English” major lol
13:45:22 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : If something significant happened such as an ALAC/GAC statement.. this could be drafted and added to the monthly newsletters members are expecting as a norm now
13:46:18 From Heidi Ullrich : perfect!
13:46:32 From Heidi Ullrich : I think we’ve closed the circle ;)
13:49:53 From Glenn McKnight, Foundation for Building Sustainable Communities : More important than webinars is mentoring the new members
13:50:22 From Filina Natalia (EURALO Secretary) : Welcome webinars can be replaced "welcome package" (full set of information)
13:50:22 From Glenn McKnight, Foundation for Building Sustainable Communities : No assurances that any takeaways happens at a webinar
13:50:47 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : What number constitute critical mass?
13:51:22 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : An orientation programme for new members ALS and individual members has been suggested on several occasions.. Ive never been part of one so assumed that staff were doing them.
13:52:22 From Heidi Ullrich : Correct, Maureen
13:54:23 From David Mackey : agreed
13:54:24 From Filina Natalia (EURALO Secretary) : There is an Ideal picture-)
13:54:28 From Sarah Kiden : :-)
13:54:31 From David Mackey : nooooo, zzzzzzz
13:54:36 From Nadira Al Araj : ;)
13:54:37 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : :-)
13:54:46 From ali almeshal : ;)
13:57:01 From Nadira Al Araj : The "Optional" makes any items on this list to be OK
13:57:29 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : These points could all be notes, examples or sub point/suggestions or undertakings elsewhere in this Doc IMO
13:58:16 From ali almeshal : +Nadira
13:58:24 From Filina Natalia (EURALO Secretary) : yes, It depends on. +1 Yrjo
13:58:46 From David Mackey : agreed
13:58:52 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh (TTCS) : agree
13:58:56 From yrjolansipuro : Yes
13:58:57 From ali almeshal : yes
13:58:57 From Nadira Al Araj : +1
13:58:59 From Sarah Kiden : Agree
13:59:04 From Amrita Choudhury : yes
13:59:14 From Bastiaan Goslings : agree
13:59:47 From Amrita Choudhury : agree
13:59:47 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : does not need to be part of this document though
14:00:56 From Judith Hellerstein : Is this when we can make changes to the application process
14:01:49 From Amrita Choudhury : Thanks Allan and everyone
14:01:52 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Bye for now then...
14:01:54 From herb.waye : stay safe everyone
14:01:58 From Heidi Ullrich : Thanks. All.
14:01:58 From Nadira Al Araj : Thank you Alan
14:01:59 From Bastiaan Goslings : Thanks all
14:02:00 From Filina Natalia (EURALO Secretary) : Thank you Alan
14:02:00 From Sarah Kiden : Thank you!
14:02:01 From David Mackey : Thanks Alan, Cheers!
14:02:01 From ali almeshal : thanks and bye
14:02:02 From Judith Hellerstein : bye
14:02:02 From Filina Natalia (EURALO Secretary) : all
14:02:05 From Barrack Otieno : Bye thanks
14:02:13 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh (TTCS) : take care all
14:02:16 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : Lack of ready access to internet for some may be a cause\