15:40:21 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Welcome to the At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG) Call taking place on Wednesday, 27 April 2022 at 13:00 UTC.
15:40:34 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Agenda: https://community.icann.org/x/_4SpCw
15:46:56 From Captioner - Bonnie to Everyone:
Hello!
15:47:17 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Hi Bonnie, welcome!
15:48:58 From Captioner - Bonnie to Everyone:
Thank you! The captions are all set.
15:50:35 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Thank you.
16:04:12 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Welcome, All.
16:04:32 From Herb Waye Ombuds to Everyone:
Hello everyone. Always nice to be here with you.
16:05:01 From vandascartezini to Everyone:
hi everyone !! sorry to enter bit late
16:05:26 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
RTT Link: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
16:05:30 From vandascartezini to Everyone:
hi herb, nice to see you around once more… kisses
16:05:50 From Bachollet Sebastien - Euralo to Everyone:
You may have received apology from Anne-Marie Joly-Bachollet
Not from SeB
16:06:04 From Denise Hochbaum to Everyone:
Hello everyone!
16:06:31 From vandascartezini to Everyone:
hi Denise !
16:07:14 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Action Items: https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=184997399
16:08:32 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Thank you, Steinar. I've marked the AI as completed.
16:10:43 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
Domain Abuse seems to be the main issue for a lot of conversations these days.
16:16:54 From Carlos Dionisio Aguirre to Everyone:
hi all. sorry to be late. please call me ES channel. thanks
16:17:00 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
@ Hadia [wishing safe driving] @ Alan Greenberg: "doable means “practicable” and feasible means “possible.” What is the scope of "Proof of Concept" for ICANN? - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, Chennai, INDIA
16:22:12 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
Got a bit sidelined by illness, but will take some time now to look at the issues Justine outlined for the small group
16:23:18 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Welcome, Marita. Glad you are feeling better!
16:23:27 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
Applicant Support, Auctions?
16:24:07 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
Developing markets support for would-be registries?
16:25:35 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
Unless ICANN gets the number of registries in developing regions increased, supporting new gTLD applicants might be a bit premature. It nees a bit of joined-up thinking.
16:25:51 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
registrars rather than registries
16:28:44 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
Splinternet
16:29:25 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@Sebastien please share the link to the recording of the session yesterday.
16:30:30 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
Public interest?
16:30:59 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
The shift from registrations in gTLDs to ccTLDs as a trend?
16:32:21 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
@ John - what is the exact policy issue arising from that?
16:33:25 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
Maybe heave Satish - who is heading up a group on IDNs suggest some talking points?
16:33:29 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Holly It is the danger of making plans and policies for gTLDs that will never appear or will face massive competition from ccTLDs in their target markets.
16:34:02 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Holly We may need to think more about geo gTLDs in future rounds.
16:34:03 From Satish Babu (Member, ALAC) to Everyone:
@Holly, happy to discuss with my colleagues on the EPDP on IDNs team and get back with some suggestions.
16:34:18 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
Okay - and do we expect something from the ccTLDs/ccNSO?
16:34:37 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Holly It would be worth asking for their input.
16:35:55 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
There is always the larger issue of ccTLDs and the extent to which they understand/follow ICANN policies
16:36:22 From Satish Babu to Everyone:
Apologies that my name was shown as "Member, ALAC"...that is the way the EPDP on IDNs expect us to identify ourselves...not that I'm on the ALAC.
16:36:51 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
True. But the way things are going, the ccTLDs are effectively taking over the markets in their countries and some of the gTLDs have fallen back to replacement level or worse.
16:37:00 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
Satish - but glad you are here
16:37:56 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
@ JM - how do we turn that into a policy discussion? Suggestions?
16:38:44 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
Will there be an open m meeting on transfer policy at ICANN 74?
16:38:57 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Holly It will be difficult but more questions would need to be asked of geo applicants than generic applicants. It might be an evaluation issue.
16:38:59 From Steinar Grøtterød to Everyone:
Please give your comments and input to https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_wY631ybdRAwieTUsSR8uEcfTimwoP592oP93Sv1W5I/edit?usp=sharing
16:39:41 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@John a shift from registrations in gTLDs to ccTLDs as a trend?
16:39:48 From Hadia El Miniawi to Everyone:
I am back on chat now
16:40:28 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Siva Yep. Basically what is happening in a lot of countries is that most new registrations are in the local ccTLD rather than gTLDs.
16:40:32 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
Great - thanks - Maybe discuss the report well before ICANN 74
16:41:41 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Siva The trend started around 2005 but it has accelerated. Some of the 2012 round new gTLDs are struggling and there has been a lot of takeover/acquisitions of non-viable gTLDs.
16:41:54 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
40++ days
16:42:41 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@John Is this trend because local government policies tend to encourage ccTLD registrations?
16:42:41 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
@ JM - the REAL issue is the move from contractual rules to voluntary participation
16:43:10 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Siva More like "more business is local than global".
16:43:37 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Holly Probably more important.
16:44:10 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
@ JM - a topic for ALAC?
16:45:08 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Holly It might be beyond ALAC. But there is a connection with DNS Abuse. A commercially failing gTLD registry may be tempted to use heavy discounting to drive registration volume.
16:45:11 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@John Countries want businesses to be global, but the controls to remain within borders
16:45:20 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
generally
16:45:52 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
@ SSiva - that’s called having your cake and eating it too
16:45:52 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Siva In theory. In practice, apart from Amazon etc, most people still do business locally.
16:47:30 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@Holy true.
16:47:58 From Roberto Gaetano - NextGen Mentor to Everyone:
I fail to see the issue of registrations moving from gTLD to ccTLD as a problem - or something requiring action from ALAC - maybe I am missing something
16:48:49 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Roberto Making plans for registrations that will not happen. ALAC needs to be aware of the changing markets.
16:49:37 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@John On the contrary, Amazon does not sell much on its own, it enables small and tiny businesses to sell globally. There is more globalization than visible which is more of a case for gTLDs
16:50:41 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
@ Alan Greenberg Thank you for the crisp remarks on the usage of "Proof of Concept". To my mind, it sounds like evidence, pilot or an experiment [aim defined apriori]. For the present this is enough for me, - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, Chennai, INDIA
16:50:44 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
@ Roberto - from an ICANN perspective- GTLDs registrars and contractually required to comply with the RAA. ccTLD registries do not even have to join ICANN, let alone comply with any ICANN rules. From a consumer point of view, the consumer protection rules for ccTLDs are only as good as a registry for ccTLDs wants them to be.
16:52:51 From Roberto Gaetano - NextGen Mentor to Everyone:
@Holly I understand that, but it is just the rules in a free market - there is no way that ICANN can enforce rules on ccTLD, we tried already at the times of the wildcard: it worked on Verisign, not on ccTLDs
16:52:58 From Michael Palage to Everyone:
@Alan - classic chicken and egg
16:52:59 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@John The local policies that force local content even for companies such as Google, Ebay and Amazon which group local content / local users and suppliers under a cc name in effect block exposure of local businesses to 'zones' outside their ccTLD, if Amazon.com is default anywhere, local businesses, big and small everywhere would gain greater exposure of their small business products and services worldwide
16:53:30 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
@ Roberto - EXACTLY my point.
16:53:38 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
Write a letter to every country on planet earth to encourage ccTLD registrants to move to gTLDs
16:53:46 From Roberto Gaetano - NextGen Mentor to Everyone:
Moreover, we have an even bigger issue: the use of social networks rather than domain names to establish presence on the internet
16:54:04 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Siva if everyone was selling on Amazon or eBay, there would be far less demand for domain names and websites.
16:54:29 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
@ Roberto - another topic - but I agree with you on that
16:54:38 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
Have a meeting at 15:00 and have to head off just as the convo gets interesting. :)
16:54:58 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
If I set up a small store in Amazon, I would not only rely on Amazon templates, I would brand, I would have the contents in the Amazon page point also to my domain space where I will have more elaborate content....
16:55:40 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Siva That gets into the walled garden issue. Perhaps continue this on the mailing list?
16:55:43 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
@ JM - enjoy the meeting
16:55:58 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
Thanks Holly. :)
16:56:00 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
Later all
16:56:10 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@John Some of these ideas are top secret
16:56:27 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
:) Perhaps.
16:57:05 From Michael Palage to Everyone:
@Roberto, @Holly @John - I think monitoring ccTLD is an interesting data point not from a perspective of ICANN enforcement - but best practices on a range of issues, DNS Abuse, Registrant verification, Registration Data Quality,
16:58:14 From Roberto Gaetano - NextGen Mentor to Everyone:
Agree @Michael
16:59:10 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
Yep. that's part of our recommendation to the GNSO
16:59:41 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
@ Michael - true - but the issue is that in the ccTLD world, there are worst practices as well as best
17:01:12 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone:
Have a meeting now so have to leave
17:01:20 From Hadia El Miniawi to Everyone:
+1 Justine yes I agree there is no need for a comment from ALAC
17:01:34 From Christopher Wilkinson to Everyone:
An appropriate level of ccTLD regulation has been shown to be compatible with high levels of registrations. CW
17:02:24 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@CW Please say a little more, it is difficult to understand what you have said
17:04:25 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
The Latin General Panel's analysis of the public comments received for the Latin script RZ-LGR proposal https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/analysis-comments-latin-lgr-27jan22-en.pdf
17:05:05 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
This includes the Latin GP's response to the ALAC's comments, Bill Jouris' comments and Eduardo Diaz's comments also.
17:06:26 From Claudia Ruiz - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Policy Advice: https://community.icann.org/x/bwFO
17:07:00 From Hadia El Miniawi to Everyone:
Thanks Caudia
17:07:10 From Hadia El Miniawi to Everyone:
Claudia
17:07:22 From iPad (27)Vanda Scartezini to Everyone:
Lac DNS week with ICANN IS STARTING TODAY - i Will Needham to desconect! Thanks to Justine and Alan specially for Thome updates - thank you all
17:07:26 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
L8r is always better for me!
17:07:39 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
One hour later is great for Sydney
17:07:59 From Claudia Ruiz - ICANN Org to Everyone:
4th May 20:00 UTC
17:08:04 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Yesim Nazlar to schedule the next CPWG call on Wednesday, 4 May at 20:00 UTC.
17:08:06 From Herb Waye Ombuds to Everyone:
Stay safe and be kind.
17:08:11 From iPhone to Everyone:
thank you all
17:08:13 From Hadia El Miniawi to Everyone:
Thank you all - bye for now
17:08:16 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Full AIs: https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=184997399
17:08:22 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Many thanks, All.
17:08:29 From Satish Babu to Everyone:
Thanks and bye!
17:08:44 From Seun S. Ojedeji to Everyone:
bye
17:08:46 From Dave Kissoondoyal (Mauritius) ALAC to Everyone:
thanks and bye
17:08:49 From Matthias M. Hudobnik to Everyone:
Thxs bye
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