Sub-group Members:   Brian Scarpelli, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, David McAuley, Erich Schweighofer, Farzaneh Badii, Finn Petersen, Greg Shatan, Griffin Barnett, Herb Waye, Milton Mueller, Raphaël Beauregard-Lacroix, Robin Gross, Samantha Eisner, Thiago Jardim, Tijani Ben Jemaa   (15)

Observers/Guests:  none

ICANN Org:  Bernard Turcotte, Berry Cobb, Brenda Brewer

Apologies:  Wale Bakare

 ** If your name is missing from attendance or apology, please send note to **




  1. Welcome
  2. Review of Agenda (2 minutes)
  3. Administration (1 minute)
    1. Changes to SOIs
    2. Identify Audio Only and Phone Number Participants
  4. Complete Discussion of “Choice of Law and Choice of Venue Recommendation” (25 minutes)
  5. Finalize Subgroup Report (25 minutes)
  6. AOB (5 minutes)
  7. Adjourn (next meeting 18 October 13:00 UTC)

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 Brenda Brewer: (10/11/2017 13:38) Good day all!  Welcome to WS2 Jurisdiction Subgroup Meeting #50 on 11 October 2017 @ 19:00 UTC.

  Brenda Brewer: (13:38) When not speaking, please mute your phone by pressing *6 (star 6). To unmute, *6. This call is recorded.

  Brenda Brewer: (13:39) Reminder to all, for captioning and transcription, please  state your name before speaking and speak slowly.  Thank you!

  CART: (13:46) Hello, Brenda!  Can you please tell me who the Rapporteur will be for this meeting?

  Brenda Brewer: (13:46) Greg Shatan is Rapporteur today

  CART: (13:47) Thank you very much!

  Brenda Brewer: (13:58) Dial out to Kavouss, no answer.  I know he is traveling today.

  Herb Waye Ombuds: (13:59) Hello all...

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (13:59) hi all hear you Bernie

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:59) Hello all

  Herb Waye Ombuds: (14:00) Hi Cheryl, do you ever sleep?

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:00) did my voice check come through?

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:00) partially

  Brenda Brewer: (14:00) partially for me as well, Cheryl.

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:01) no Herb an organisation I work with makes sure I. only get nap time

  David McAuley: (14:01) I am #4154

  Brenda Brewer: (14:01) Thank you, David.

  Brenda Brewer: (14:01) Better, Cheryl!

  Milton Mueller: (14:03) we have finalized the OFAC rec, right?

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:03) correct

  Milton Mueller: (14:04) we have stuck a fork in it

  Milton Mueller: (14:04) so to speak

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:04) yes and it was cooked

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:06) audio

  Brenda Brewer: (14:06) Choice of Law and Choice of Venue Google doc -

  Finn Petersen, DK: (14:13) Please change "However, there are several disadvantages of the Menu approach." to "However, there are some disadvantages of the Menu approach."

  Finn Petersen, DK: (14:14) p 2

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:14) mid page 3

  Finn Petersen, DK: (14:14) no p3

  Finn Petersen, DK: (14:14) middl

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:15) header

  Milton Mueller: (14:15) No jbection,

  Milton Mueller: (14:15) support

  David McAuley: (14:15) no obj

  Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: (14:15) yes, probabyl a better word

  Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: (14:15) *probably

  Finn Petersen, DK: (14:16) sorry - no audio

  Milton Mueller: (14:17) thanks for making room for consensus David

  Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: (14:18) I second Milton on that!

  Thiago Jardim: (14:18) I missed the question, just arrived.

  Thiago Jardim: (14:18) reserve my position on this

  David McAuley: (14:19) Lot of work on this by many - a good debate

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:20) indeed David

  Thiago Jardim: (14:20) Sorry, someone came by and I missed whether there was an explanation to my previous question.

  Brenda Brewer: (14:21) Draft Report:

  Thiago Jardim: (14:21) Just to be clear, there is no endorsement of the report so on my part.

  Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: (14:21) I'm fine with current language on that

  Erich Schweighofer: (14:26) We should change the language "agreed to prioritize" to the new version.

  Milton Mueller: (14:26) very minor editorial - boldface Annex E

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:26) will do

  Thiago Jardim: (14:27) Can you comment again on the bit "agreed to prioritise"

  Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix 2: (14:27) nice catch Erich!

  Thiago Jardim: (14:27) this is not wholly accurate, there was no agreement on that.

  Milton Mueller: (14:27) the new language reflects that Thaigo

  Thiago Jardim: (14:28) What's the new language, could you please copy and paste it here?

  Milton Mueller: (14:28) Thiago

  Milton Mueller: (14:28) just "the group prioritized" rather than "agreed to prioritized"

  Thiago Jardim: (14:28) I disagree, as I explained in an e-mail  Ijust sent

  Thiago Jardim: (14:29) Thank you, Milton.

  Thiago Jardim: (14:29) Greg, you should count parminder's contrary vote

  farzaneh badii: (14:30) i am green

  Thiago Jardim: (14:30) which makes 2 on this call, against perhaps 5 favourable votes.

  Thiago Jardim: (14:30) I suggest it would be a fairer description of the group's view not to portray it as consensus

  Thiago Jardim: (14:30) but you should call a poll

  Thiago Jardim: (14:31) I suggest the voting be postponed until the end of today

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:31) we have I believe consensus

  Milton Mueller: (14:31) what part of the consensus do you not support, Thiago

  Thiago Jardim: (14:31) so that people on the list be given an opportunity to react

  David McAuley: (14:31) I agree with Greg's handling

  Robin Gross: (14:31) We have consensus.

  Thiago Jardim: (14:31) Milton, I oppose the report to the extent it left out the issues we consider central.

  Milton Mueller: (14:31) which issues were those?

  David McAuley: (14:32) and the plenary call next week

  Robin Gross: (14:32) All my points don't get in documents either.  They tell me to file a dissent.

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:32) raise that in the plenary

  Thiago Jardim: (14:32) I'm re-raising the point here, so it can be raised in the plenary.

  Finn Petersen, DK: (14:32) Wow - it was an effective meeting and a good result

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:32) that was reply to Thiago,  not Robin

  Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix 2: (14:32) fair enough, then

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:33) indeed Finn but a lot of work to get here

  David McAuley: (14:33) a milestone in a long process, thanks Greg

  Thiago Jardim: (14:33) Milton, the issues we proposed when there was a call to do that.

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:33) thank you everyone and special thanks to you Greg

  Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix 2: (14:33) thanks to you Greg!

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:34) agreed Greg

  Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix 2: (14:34) It was still a collective work! thanks to everyone

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:36) we only require consensus and yes minority or decenting views can be attached even after 1st read O believe

  Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix 2: (14:37) that would be reasonable I suppose, yes

  Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix 2: (14:37) yes

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:37) desent can be raised at the plenary

  David McAuley: (14:38) Based on what Thiago just said, i.e. the certainty of a minority report or dissenting opinion, it seems the report should state that such a report will be forthcoming

  Thiago Jardim: (14:38) Thank you Bernie,

  Thiago Jardim: (14:38) Im having audio problems, but I could read your intervention from the transcript

  Thiago Jardim: (14:39) I appreciate it and find it agreeable

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:39) OK Please send to the list by then

  David McAuley: (14:39) good point about transmittal email

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:39) easy enough to raise in transmittal message yes

  Thiago Jardim: (14:39) let me quit the room and re enter it

  David McAuley: (14:40) we are all about to leave I think

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:40) @ Thiago we  are done not worth it

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:40) thanks all

  Milton Mueller: (14:40) I say we declare adjourning early a major victory

  Farzaneh Badii: (14:40) Thank you Greg for all the work

  Robin Gross: (14:40) Thanks, Greg and all, bye!

  David McAuley: (14:40) we may have withdrawal symptoms next wednesday

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:41) yep done..  bye 👋 for now

  Milton Mueller: (14:41) Bye all! See you in AD!

  Herb Waye Ombuds: (14:41) Thanks everyone

  Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix 2: (14:41) bye bye everyone

  Erich Schweighofer: (14:41) Servus from Vienna

  Thiago Jardim: (14:41) Bye, thanks

  David McAuley: (14:41) thanks Greg, bernie and all, good bye

  Finn Petersen, DK: (14:41) bye

  Greg Shatan: (14:41) Goodbye all and thank you!

  CART: (14:41) Thank you!