Sub-group Members:   Andree Brambilla, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, David McAuley, Erich Schweighofer, Greg Shatan, Herb Waye, Janet Shih Hajek, Margie Milam, Markus Kummer, Niels ten Oever, Robin Gross, Tatiana Tropina   (12)

Observers/Guests:  Collin Kurre

ICANN Org:  Bernard Turcotte, Brenda Brewer, Elizabeth Andrews, Nathalie Vernolle

Apologies:  Matthew Shears, Jorge Cancio, Anne Aikman-Scalese, Kavouss Arasteh, Rudi Daniel 

 ** If your name is missing from attendance or apology, please send note to **




1. Administrivia - Roll call, absentees, SoIs, etc

2. Discuss draft document for submission to CCWG

3. AOB


Raw Captioning Notes

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  • Report and transmittal letter unanimously approved as a first reading by the participants present with the understanding that there will be an opportunity for participants to post a minority opinion statement. The rapporteur will communicate this to the list and all such minority opinion statements will be due in writing by the next call of the sub-group if they are to be considered for inclusion in the final report. The next call of the sub-group is scheduled for Tuesday 29 August 1900 UTC.

Action Items:

  • NTO Post the above decision to the list today.


  • (none)

Chat Transcript

  Brenda Brewer: (8/22/2017 13:38) Good day all and welcome to CCWG WS2 Human Rights Subgroup Meeting #31 on 11 August 2017 @ 19:00 UTC!

  Brenda Brewer: (13:39) If you are not speaking, please mute your phone by pressing *6 (star 6). To unmute, *6. This call is recorded.

  Brenda Brewer: (13:39) Reminder to all, please speak slowly and state your name before speaking for the Captioner.

  Captioner: (13:53) Hello

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:57) hello all

  Niels ten Oever: (13:58) Hi all

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:59) hi

  David McAuley: (13:59) I am 8222

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:59) Brenda I

  Brenda Brewer: (13:59) Hey Cheryl, your phone should b ringing

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:00) yep on and on mute

  Markus Kummer: (14:02) Hello all

  Greg Shatan: (14:05) Hello, all.

  Andreea Brambilla: (14:08) Yes, I heard that too, David.

  Collin Kurre: (14:08) This part was the only thing that stood out to me as well. Perhaps it should just be "the subgroup recognizes" without the "does"

  Greg Shatan: (14:08) Agree with Collin's change above.

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:09) agree with above

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:09) good change

  David McAuley: (14:09) Subgroup recognizes is fine with me

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:09) +1

  Niels ten Oever: (14:10) “these responses are not endorsed or supported by the representative ofSwitzerland who is member of this Subgroup”

  Robin Gross: (14:10) I never got such dissent privileges when I disagreed.

  David McAuley: (14:11) I agree w Greg's comment on proper protocol

  Robin Gross: (14:11) I had to file a minority statement when I disagreed.  That is the protocol.

  Herb Waye Ombuds: (14:11) Sorry for being late

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:12) happy also to add annotation re Switzerland,  but normally I would expect an appended Minority comment in the final report

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:12) as Bernie just outlines

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:15) exactly David

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:18) it is a consensus not a full consensus as I understand

  Niels ten Oever: (14:18) Do you have the link to that document Greg?

  Robin Gross: (14:19) I agree with Greg's analysis on how to treat this in light of our charter.

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:19) yes

  Collin Kurre: (14:19) To follow up on what Mark said in the last call, from the chat: "I'm observer listening - I would liek to consult internally and with Brazil and Switzerland."

  Greg Shatan: (14:20)

  David McAuley: (14:21) Good point @ Cheryl

  David McAuley: (14:22) ok - thanks B ernie. Then iof we go down minority report road let's ask for minoryt viewpoints within a set time - by first week in Sept for instance

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:24) hand

  Robin Gross: (14:26) Does one need to be an official Member (rep of one of the SOAC's)?  Or can any participant file a minority statement under our charter?

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:26) I am as I said earlier happy with that approach Greg

  Greg Shatan: (14:27) BTW, Mark Carvell is only listed as an Observer for this group.  But that could be outdated.

  Tatiana Tropina: (14:28) Hi all, terribly sorry for joining this call so late -- travelling on business

  Greg Shatan: (14:28) I agree with Bernie that we should have 2 reading before Niels declares a consensus level.

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:28) welcome Tatiana

  Tatiana Tropina: (14:29) Cheryl, :-) thanks! *wave*

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:29) fine with that as well Bernie

  David McAuley: (14:29)  agree Greg and Bernie

  Andreea Brambilla: (14:29) Sounds reasonable, Bernie.

  Robin Gross: (14:29) +1

  Tatiana Tropina: (14:29) from what I hear now, I agree too.

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:29) @Andrea - its the Canadian way...

  Greg Shatan: (14:29) That sounds like a good way forward.

  Andreea Brambilla: (14:30) :)

  Tatiana Tropina: (14:30) what. I joined the call and it ends in 3 min???

  David McAuley: (14:30) none here

  Greg Shatan: (14:30) Bernie, you deserve a poutine for your troubles.

  Herb Waye Ombuds: (14:30) Goodbye everyone

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:30) not from me

  Collin Kurre: (14:30) Thanks!

  David McAuley: (14:30) you are good luck Tatiana

  Markus Kummer: (14:30) Bye all

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:30)  ðŸ‘‹

  Robin Gross: (14:30) Thanks Niels and all. Bye!

  David McAuley: (14:30) bye

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:30) bye all

  Andreea Brambilla: (14:30) Thank you!

  Tatiana Tropina: (14:30) thanks all, bye

  Greg Shatan: (14:30) Thanks for dropping in TT.

  Greg Shatan: (14:30) Bye all!