Sub-group Members: Cheryl Langdon-Orr, David McAuley, Erich Schweighofer, Glenn McKnight, Griffin Barnett, Herb Waye, Isabel Rutherfurd, Janet Shih Hajek, Kavouss Arasteh, Matthew Shears, Niels ten Oever, Robin Gross, Tatiana Tropina (13)
Observers/Guests: Collin Kurre, Mark Carvell (2)
ICANN Org: Bernard Turcotte, Brenda Brewer, Elizabeth Andrews, Kimberly Carlson
Apologies: Bastiaan Goslings, Greg Shatan, Brett Schaefer, Markus Kummer, Anne Aikman-Scalese, Rudi Daniel
** If your name is missing from attendance or apology, please send note to acct-staff@icann.org **
1. Administrivia Roll call, absentees, SoIs, etc
2. Review proposed change by drafting team
3. Discussion approach to statement to CCWG
4. AOB
Documents
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Brenda Brewer: (8/15/2017 13:33) Good day and welcome to WS2 Human Rights Subgroup Meeting #30 on 15 August 2017 @ 19:00 UTC!
Brenda Brewer: (13:33) If you are not speaking, please mute your phone by pressing *6 (star 6). This call is recorded.
Brenda Brewer: (13:33) Reminder to all, please speak slowly and state your name before speaking for the Captioner. Thank you!
kavouss Arasteh: (13:48) Dear Faithful to CCWG, bREDA
Brenda Brewer: (13:48) Hello Kavouss!
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:54) Hello all
Glenn McKnight: (13:56) HI
Glenn McKnight: (13:56) I don't hear anything
Glenn McKnight: (13:56) checking speakers etc
Glenn McKnight: (13:58) no sound
Glenn McKnight: (13:58) going to phone in via adigo
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:59) brenda am I still on dial out or will I connect now?
d: (13:59) d = David McAuley, dialing in
Brenda Brewer: (13:59) Calling you now Cheryl
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:59) thx
Glenn McKnight: (14:00) muted
Glenn McKnight: (14:00) Anyone going to the IETF meeting in Singapore I know that Niels did a session last session
Glenn McKnight: (14:00) I am muted
Tatiana Tropina: (14:00) Hi all
Glenn McKnight: (14:01) hi all
Glenn McKnight: (14:01) wow lots of meetings
Tatiana Tropina: (14:01) For the record as there was a dicsussion as to which constituency I am - I am NCUC.
Glenn McKnight: (14:01) @all i looked at the IGF Geneva and the most points for sessions was on Human Rights
Tatiana Tropina: (14:02) we have apologies from Anne, too
Tatiana Tropina: (14:02) (they just arrived to the list)
Glenn McKnight: (14:03) no update
kavouss Arasteh: (14:11) tATIANA AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE TIME, MAY ONLY OBE OF SPEALKS
kavouss Arasteh: (14:13) Sorry for CAP
kavouss Arasteh: (14:15) niels, May I request that people be kindly short in their intervention.
kavouss Arasteh: (14:15) sOME PEOPLR TALED MORE THAN 5 MINTS
kavouss Arasteh: (14:15) wEé
kavouss Arasteh: (14:15) LL PREPARED, wELL OCOORDINATED
Tatiana Tropina: (14:18) well I was asked to explain the reasons behind the drafting team's work. I am sorry if it took longer.
Herb Waye Ombuds: (14:18) Must step away for 5 mintutes... brb
kavouss Arasteh: (14:19) iTHINK SETTING TIME LIMIT IS TO THE OFFICIAL MEMBERS OF THE GROUP ONLY
Tatiana Tropina: (14:19) I also never heard about 5 monutes rule for this group. Niels if this rule exists could you please be so kind to announce this at the beginning of each call. Thank you very much.
Tatiana Tropina: (14:19) Niels could you please clarify about 5 minutes rule so we end this conversaiton about timing?
kavouss Arasteh: (14:20) Yes but we could not monopolize the floorn
Glenn McKnight: (14:21) perhaps a timer
Glenn McKnight: (14:22) Why is HRIA not spelt out
Collin Kurre: (14:22) ^+1
Niels ten Oever: (14:22) Because it is spelled out earlier in the considerations document
kavouss Arasteh: (14:24) Sorry it is not against anybody<
kavouss Arasteh: (14:24) I ONLY ASKED TO ESTABLISH THE 5B MINTS RULES
kavouss Arasteh: (14:24) nO PARTICULéAR OBJECTIVE
Glenn McKnight: (14:25) i agree the rules should be clear and deployed equally
Tatiana Tropina: (14:25) You did ask to establish it, you were imposing it.
kavouss Arasteh: (14:25) wE ARE ALL EQUAL
Tatiana Tropina: (14:25) Niels, I would like a clarification if the rule exists. Thanks.
kavouss Arasteh: (14:25) no differtence between any of us
Glenn McKnight: (14:25) Yes the chair has more access to the mic but not during an open mic
Tatiana Tropina: (14:26) The 5 minutes rule has not been established yet but I got bashed for speaking for more than 5 minutes already. I am considering submitting a complaint because there was a reference to me. I demand clarification if the rule existed before I got bashed.
Herb Waye Ombuds: (14:26) gotta run... violent thunder storms rolling through power flickering, shutting down electronics... may be back.
Glenn McKnight: (14:27) Nothing here Herb in Southern Ontario
Herb Waye Ombuds: (14:27) lucky... enjoy, monsoon here...
David McAuley: (14:28) on mute?
kavouss Arasteh: (14:28) iAM INTERUPPTED
kavouss Arasteh: (14:28) mY LINE IS INTERUUPTED
David McAuley: (14:28) yes
kavouss Arasteh: (14:28) iHEAR YOU WELL
kavouss Arasteh: (14:29) sORRY AGAIN FOR CAP
David McAuley: (14:30) Thanks Cheryl
Tatiana Tropina: (14:30) I was basically asked to give the reasons behind the document and as a feedback I got bashed. This is unacceptable. I wish the chair would make a direct intervention.
Tatiana Tropina: (14:30) What is initial text? FoI? I don't have problems with this.
David McAuley: (14:31) I agree
Tatiana Tropina: (14:31) I am fine with the text that was before public comments. I am not fine with the proposed text on the top of this page as I have no real idea where it came from. But initial text is ok.
Tatiana Tropina: (14:31) oh the page disappeared
Tatiana Tropina: (14:32) I agree with going back to initial text. So my support.
Niels ten Oever: (14:33) Thanks Tatiana
David McAuley: (14:34) That makes sense
Matthew Shears: (14:34) agree
kavouss Arasteh: (14:34) iSEE mARLK carwell on the list
Tatiana Tropina: (14:35) can we combine the two options?
Tatiana Tropina: (14:35) you and Bernie in consultation with teh drafting team?
David McAuley: (14:36) I can not participate in drafting team this coming week - on a special project taking most of my time
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:36) please do continue Nielsen
Mark Carvell UK GAC rep: (14:36) I'm observer listening - I would liek to consult internally and with Brazil and Switzerland.
David McAuley: (14:36) no objection
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:37) agree
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:37) no
Tatiana Tropina: (14:38) Really? no supremacy? This is why I was personally attacked for speaking more than 5 min? Thanks of course. But I am still considering the complaint.
kavouss Arasteh: (14:38) Sorry IT WAS NOT ARTTACK
kavouss Arasteh: (14:38) pls acceopt that
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:38) bye for now then
David McAuley: (14:38) Thanks Niels and Bernie and Brenda and all, good bye
Glenn McKnight: (14:38) bye
Tatiana Tropina: (14:38) The ombudsman will decide if it was.
Tatiana Tropina: (14:38) bye all