Sub-group Members: Andreea Brambilla, Andrew Mack, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, David McAuley, Erich Schweighofer, Griffin Barnett, Kavouss Arasteh, Markus Kummer, Niels ten Oever (9)
Observers/Guests:
Staff: Anne-Rachel Inne, Bernard Turcotte, Brenda Brewer, Elizabeth Andrews, Karen Mulberry (5)
Apologies: Paul McGrady, Tatiana Tropina, Paul Twomey
** If your name is missing from attendance or apology, please send note to acct-staff@icann.org **
1. Administrivia-Roll call, absentees, SoIs, etc
2. Second Reading (of two) of the Considerations document
3. AOB
Documents
12 participants at start of call.
1. Administrivia-Roll call, absentees, SoIs, etc
Niels ten Oever - No changes to SOIs.
2. Second Reading (of two) of the Considerations document
Niels ten Oever – (going through the Google doc -
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rDYyuXacrSYDtlSK5JqNQe7XOX2LbM86AzfDay8zpoE/edit )
Niels ten Oever: (typo correction) A particular Human Right should not be considered in isolation since Human Rights are universal, indivisible, interdependent, and interrelated.
Kavouss Arasteh - Uncertain we should use METHOD applies - there is no METHOD. Delete METHODS FOR use THE DEVELOPMENT OF ANY NEW....
Niels ten Oever: The development of any new policies or frameworks that may be needed to apply the Human Rights Core Value will be dictated by the type of policy and how ICANN the organization and the community develop those policies.
Andrew Mack: sounds good to me as well
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): fine by me also
David McAuley (RySG) 2: fine here
Kavouss Arasteh - PROPOSES to whom? suggest remove PROPOSE and use DEVELOP.
Niels ten Oever: In order to do so ICANN the organization should develop a framework, which should include multistakeholder involvement, and regular review.
David McAuley (RySG) 2: propose includes the community more clearly doesn't it
Andrew Mack - PROPOSES TO THE COMMUNITY BROADLY.
Kavouss Arasteh - that works.
Niels ten Oever: In order to do so ICANN the organization should propose a framework to the community, which should include multistakeholder involvement in its development, and regular review.
David McAuley (RySG) 2: sounds good
Kavouss Arasteh - always have had problem with the last para. Not 100% satisfied but accept as the best we can get.
David McAuley (RySG) 2: Nice comment Kavouss, I also think this last para is good
Niels ten Oever - this completes our second reading. Unless there are objections I will merge this with the FOI and submit to the plenary for first reading.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): excellent
Andrew Mack: double dip
Markus Kummer: Well done, all!
Niels ten Oever: fulll consensus of the subgroup, congratulations everyone
Kavouss Arasteh - We need to avoid modifications in plenary - this was hard won consensus here and any changes proposed in the plenary need to be brought back to this group and would suggest we make this clear in the plenary.
Niels ten Oever - agree - we will have to defend these documents in plenary.
3. AOB
Kavouss Arasteh - Great thanks to our rapporteur and members of the drafting team, as well as the secretariat.
Andrew Mack: here here
David McAuley (RySG) 2: Agree with Kavouss
Niels ten Oever: Fully agree
Markus Kummer: +1 Kavouss - well said!
Andrew Mack: well led Niels
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): good job so far people... important work... now needs to go to the next steps with Plenary and Pc
Niels ten Oever - lets not forget its not then end - if we get through the plenary we then go to public comment. Adjourned.
Brenda Brewer:Greetings all and welcome to the Human Rights Subgroup Meeting #25 on 4 April 2017 @ 19:00 UTC! Please remember to mute your phones when not speaking by pressing *6 (star six) *6 will also unmute. Thank you!
Markus Kummer:Hi everyone
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):hi
Kavouss Arasteh:Hi Brebnda,
Brenda Brewer:Kavouss, trying your number a second time.
Brenda Brewer:That time worked! Welcome.
Kavouss Arasteh:Tks
Kavouss Arasteh:I am now connected
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:hello all
David McAuley (RySG):i am 8222
Brenda Brewer:Thank you, David!
David McAuley (RySG):I think Paul Twomey send apology as well
Niels ten Oever:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rDYyuXacrSYDtlSK5JqNQe7XOX2LbM86AzfDay8zpoE/edit
David McAuley (RySG):so far so good
Niels ten Oever:A particular Human Right should not be considered in isolation since Human Rights are universal, indivisible, interdependent, and interrelated.
David McAuley (RySG) 2:back in after dropping for a moment
David McAuley (RySG) 2:I can agree w/Kavouss's comment - delete methos and speak of development
David McAuley (RySG) 2:methods, that is
Niels ten Oever:The development any new policies or frameworks that may be needed to apply the Human Rights Core Value will be dictated by the type of policy and how ICANN the organization and the community develop those policies.
Kavouss Arasteh:The development of any new.....§
Niels ten Oever:The development of any new policies or frameworks that may be needed to apply the Human Rights Core Value will be dictated by the type of policy and how ICANN the organization and the community develop those policies.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):it is in the chat
Andrew Mack:sounds good to me as well
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):fine by me also
David McAuley (RySG) 2:fine here
Niels ten Oever:In order to do so ICANN the organization should develop a framework, which should include multistakeholder involvement, and regular review.
David McAuley (RySG) 2:propose includes the community more clearly doesn't it
Niels ten Oever:In order to do so ICANN the organization should propose a framework to the community, which should include multistakeholder involvement in its development, and regular review.
David McAuley (RySG) 2:sounds good
David McAuley (RySG) 2:Nice comment Kavouss, I akso think this last para is good
David McAuley (RySG) 2:wow - ice cream all around
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):excellent
Andrew Mack:double dip
Markus Kummer:Well done, all!
Niels ten Oever:fulll consensus of the subgroup, congratulations everyone
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Plenary a
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):so has to reach its consensus on our draft work
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):but Plenary still holds the trump card
Andrew Mack:here here
David McAuley (RySG) 2:Agree with Kavouss
Andrew Mack:and CLO, please leave trump out of it!
Niels ten Oever:Fully agree
Markus Kummer:+1 Kavouss - well said!
Andrew Mack:well led Niels
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):good job so far people... important work... now needs to go to the next steps with Plenary and Pc
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):postvOC our Work continues
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):post PC
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):thanks everyone... bye for now then, until we reconvene
Markus Kummer:Tank you all and good-bye
David McAuley (RySG) 2:Thank you Niels and all, thanks also staff, and good bye
Anne Aikman-Scalese:Hi - just now joining.
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:bye all
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):bye
Andreea Brambilla:Thanks!