Maryam Bakoshi:Dearall, welcome to the ICANN and HR call on Friday 29th May 2015
Maryam Bakoshi:RafikDammakand Niels Ten Oever have joined the meeting
rafik:maybesheis shy :)
Monika Zalnieriute:Ialsoright it here:)
Monika Zalnieriute:haha, I read that I am shy here:)
Monika Zalnieriute:ok, I wait for the call then!
Niels ten Oever -Article19:Monika,canyou pick up?
Maryam Bakoshi: Pranesh Prakash
Monika Zalnieriute:butI can hear You though,
Monika Zalnieriute:mayebsomeoneknow, what I should click to make my mic work?
Niels ten Oever -Article19:CliclonthemicMonika
MaryamBakoshi:Alexandrapleasecouldyoustateyour full name for record purposes. Thank you
MariliaMaciel:Please,canwelet the ppl on the phone introduce themselves?
Alexandra:i'mnotsure I won't be able to speak though unfortunately(
Marilia Maciel:Please, mute your mics
rafik:nielsshouldsdisablethe mic for his adobe connect :)
Marianne F:Hiall,thereis feedback so we are hearing Niels twice
Marianne F:You'rewelcomMonika,apologiesfor the lengthy email nonetheless! :)
Marilia Maciel:Whatisthe deadline to comment?
Niels ten Oever - Article19:Dependsifwe want to print it nicely
Niels ten Oever - Article19:Ifwewant it to be gone via editor, design and print, we will need to have it done by Monday
rafik:@Niels it is a working document for CCWP to continue the discussion, expecting the CCWP to produce its first delvierable
Niels ten Oever - Article19:Indeed, so we need toagreeonaapprovalprocedure(point 1.3 :) )
rafik:Iwouldsee it as an "issue report" not necessarily neededanapproval,itis more research work to give input
Niels ten Oever - Article19:let's discuss this under the next point
Pranesh Prakash:Ifwedon'tmake a strong defence of HR, who will? :-) Having said that I don't think there's a need to establish a duty to protect on ICANN's part.
Marianne F:OFcourse, they do have this responsibility just we need to proceed step by step. So if the point is made in a note then it is there on the record to be used and referred to later if need be (just reiterating verbal point in writing)
Niels ten Oever - Article19:+1
Maryam Bakoshi:NigelHicksonhas joined
Marilia Maciel:Audioissueshere. Will have to go out and enter again, sorry
Marianne F:+1 from me for leaving it inasexample; just to edit and tighten up for now and indicate there option of more detailed analysis later
Pranesh Prakash:+1 to Marianne
Monika Zalnieriute:Guys, I agree to have it as an example: would You like to have it a shorter part though for now?
MonikaZalnieriute:+ Lee; it might be too much stuff.
Marianne F:Hi, if the feeling is to keep it in then perhaps as a note? But Lee is pointing out the timing issue so I would defer to those who know ICANN better than I do
Marianne F:Pleasemutemics when typing! :)
Marianne F:Ifindoubt leave it out
Alexandra:Agreethatthe UDRP part might draw attention from the substantial issues int hefirstpartintheshape it is now
Alexandra:Imighthave missed it -couldsmbpleaseremind again how GAC is going to be engaged?
Pranesh Prakash:Apologies. I have to leave now. But would just like to reiterate that wemustI(strategically) bear the burden of being the people who take positions on sensitive commercial issues. If we don't, no one else will. We can build bridges after we have some rough position.
Marianne F:+1 from mePranesh; point well taken, cheerio!
rafik:@Alexandra we have some GAC members in the CCWP, it has its own working group and Lee is basically doing the liaison. maybe Lee can elaborate here
Marilia Maciel:Maybewecould move to the session in BA?
Monika Zalnieriute:SoI would like to get the idea what do we do?: please type in here, so I could briefly have an idea who is for LEAVING the UDRP and who is for TAKING OUT
Niels ten Oever - Article19:Theconsensusseems to be that it could be mentionedasan shortexample, but weleaveourtthelonger expose.
Marilia Maciel:Yes, that is my feeling too
rafik:@monika in few words more coming work for you :)
Monika Zalnieriute:Ok, how long - and how detailed - simply a page or so or approx how long?
Niels ten Oever -Article19:Shorter
MarianneF:Mentionit, keep it short as a concrete example vs. a full expose.
MonikaZalnieriute:yes,yes, so simply asinglerefernece, You mean -thatsit?
MonikaZalnieriute:shorterthanapage, You mean?
Niels ten Oever - Article19:Yes
MonikaZalnieriute:simplylikeanexamplementione, in a sentence?:)
Alexandra:guys, just a quick comment/observation: an elaboratedescriptionof thisonecase study now will definitely attract criticism from Russian GAC representatives - as at theSignaporemeeting they were very vocal on the Crimean domains issue from the HR perspective. It's a verydebateableissue in terms of how exactly thatrelatesto theICANNremit, but if theHRtalkstarts with UDRP in detail I can expect the reaction :) what I mean is that there seems to be a strong link for themberweenICANN and thatincidetin the HR context. I can expect there will be efforts to stick it in
Marianne F:..I see your point but won't there be this sort of push back anyway? If this example really could become a red herring (forgive the pun) then leave it out for now. We can always put it back in...
Alexandra:yeahI guess you're right.. But it would be good to at least formulate some stance on the issue from the group? or have a longer least of potential case studies for future
rafik:therewillbe pish back for many topics, that is why we have to work on consensus and "educate"
Marilia Maciel:Yes, open to collaboration/endorsements
rafik:weneedto get CCWP to have ownershiponitwowndeliverable
Marianne F:Iagree; send the final version of the report to the CCWP for comments. People comment best when there is something concrete to comment on.
rafik:thepublicsession is not clashing with important sessions
rafik:kathy is not coming to BA
Marilia Maciel:Iwouldgobitfurtherand ask them for theiraseesment
Marilia Maciel:somesortof responsibility to speak
Marianne F:ThanksNiels, thanks all for a great meeting