14:18:15 From ZH - Z. Hwang to Host and Panelists:
Yes marten is clear
14:18:22 From ICANN RP - Rafael to Host and Panelists:
If you are speaking please use this script, thank you. Hello, my name is _ _ _ and I am participating during this session in a speaking role. I am testing my audio to confirm whether all technical service providers are able to hear me clearly. If you would like me to repeat this test, please
14:18:27 From ZH - Z. Hwang to Host and Panelists:
Sorry problem with slack messaging
14:18:35 From ZH - Z. Hwang to Host and Panelists:
Clear from interpreters
14:19:51 From Matthias Hudobnik to Everyone:
Maarten sounds good as always (smiley, peace)
14:20:56 From sergio salinas porto to Everyone:
hi all!
14:28:00 From Jonathan Zuck to Host and Panelists:
Alan's accent might be tougher than Olivier's
14:28:13 From Xavier Calvez to Host and Panelists:
That should have been obvious for a long time Olivier!
14:28:23 From Owen Smigelski (Namecheap) to Everyone:
Clearly, ICANN needs to spend more time at the beach
14:29:22 From Dave.Kissoondoyal.ALAC to Everyone:
Hello everyone
14:29:33 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
Hmm -- with winter approaching rapidly here, I am actively looking for the nearest beach
14:29:43 From Herb Waye to Everyone:
Greetings from the Office of the Ombudsman. Wishing everyone a successful ICANN72
14:29:52 From Lianna Galstyan to Everyone:
Hello everyone
14:30:07 From Raymond Mamattah to Everyone:
Greetings from Accra, Ghana.
14:30:29 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
Hello Lianna, Raymond and all
14:31:44 From KEOLEBOGILE Rantsetse to Everyone:
Hello everyone
14:33:30 From Jonathan Zuck to Host and Panelists:
Yep. Definitely don't want to look at the agenda the whole time!
14:34:00 From Gerardo Mtz. ICANN72 FELLOW to Everyone:
Saludos a toos desde Aguascalientes México
14:34:20 From León Felipe Sánchez Ambía to Everyone:
Saludos desde San Mateo Atenco, @Gerardo
14:34:26 From León Felipe Sánchez Ambía to Everyone:
Bienvenido
14:34:31 From Lito Ibarra to Everyone:
Bienvenido, Gerardo
14:35:00 From David McAuley (Verisign) to Host and Panelists:
would it be possible to post the two questions in chat?
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14:36:38 From Frank Anati to Everyone:
Hi everyone Frank Anati from Ghana https://www.linkedin.com/in/frank-anati
14:36:56 From León Felipe Sánchez Ambía to Everyone:
Welcome @Frank
14:37:03 From Goran Marby to Everyone:
I am marketing this report in all sessions I am in, so a message from the sponsor: https://www.icann.org/uploads/board_report/attachment/101/ICANN_Org_CEO_Report_to_Board_Sep_2021_FINALrev3.pdf
14:37:30 From Holly Raiche to Host and Panelists:
Thank you Goran
14:37:31 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
Thanks Goran
14:38:17 From Maureen Hilyard to Host and Panelists:
Yrjo is responding to the question:
14:38:20 From Maureen Hilyard to Host and Panelists:
Please provide input/comments on how you think we could efficiently identify and work more closely with Governments globally, as well as educate, train and interact when it comes to geopolitical issues relating to ICANN’s mission
14:38:22 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
Hello Frank, I remember you from the DNS-EC workshop welocme
14:38:39 From Goran Marby to Everyone:
A good answer btw
14:40:24 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
I can't see the speaker nor the slides. My screen shows 25 small screens
14:40:42 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
Can
14:40:43 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
I think that multi-group roundtables -- as EURALO has been promoting -- are also helpful to make sure various groups understand eachother
14:40:45 From Holly Raiche to Host and Panelists:
@ Siva- there are no slides to see
14:41:49 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
@Goran the link is not working
14:42:18 From Sébastien Bachollet to Host and Panelists:
@Hadia working for me
14:43:17 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
The website is currently under maintenance
14:43:17 From David McAuley (Verisign) to Everyone:
The link works for me
14:43:30 From Holly Raiche to Host and Panelists:
Surely, the discussion topics go beyond cyber security -
14:43:59 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
For me I get the message "Temporary Maintenance This website is currently undergoing maintenance. Thank you for your patience."
14:45:38 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
On the phone the interface is fine. The trouble that I had has something to do with the zoom application for the desktop computer, linux. Posted it because I thought it is a common problem, it is not. Thank you.
14:46:00 From ICANN RP - Rafael to Everyone:
You can access interpretation by clicking the globe icon in the zoom toolbar and selecting your preferred language, thank you.
14:46:35 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
I get the maintenance message in six languages
14:46:44 From Sébastien Bachollet to Host and Panelists:
Gracias Léon
14:47:06 From judith hellerstein to Everyone:
@hadia. I do not think interpretation works on the web version, you need to use the app
14:47:09 From León Felipe Sánchez Ambía to Host and Panelists:
Merci Sébastien
14:47:22 From judith hellerstein to Everyone:
Either on the phone/tablet or computer
14:47:40 From Dave.Kissoondoyal.ALAC to Everyone:
Late Dr Tarek Kamel was the past ICANN's Senior Advisor to the President and Senior Vice President of Government and Intergovernmental Organization (IGO) Engagement. He spearheaded efforts to build stronger relationships between ICANN org and governments, ministries, and IGOs on Internet governance issues. Who is at the position now?
14:47:59 From Lito Ibarra to Everyone:
Hadia. It worked for me. Since it's a pdf, you should get the message to open or download the file
14:48:13 From Mary Wong - ICANN Org to Everyone:
This is the joint ALAC-GAC statement that Alan and Yrjo referred to: https://gac.icann.org/publications/20171031-joint-statement-gac-alac.pdf
14:48:33 From Goran Marby to Everyone:
Have a look at page 65 in the report for more information about what Mandys team does.
14:48:38 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
@Judith I am talking about the link to the CEO report provided in chat
14:48:47 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
Thanks Mary
14:48:52 From Dave.Kissoondoyal.ALAC to Everyone:
+1
14:49:13 From judith hellerstein to Everyone:
@olivier, I love your background
14:49:27 From Holly Raiche to Host and Panelists:
@ Goran - when you say ‘report’ are you referring the link you provided?
14:49:44 From Goran Marby to Everyone:
Yes the CEO report
14:49:52 From Holly Raiche to Host and Panelists:
Thanks
14:50:04 From Frank Anati to Everyone:
Thanks @Felipe
14:50:25 From Maureen Hilyard to Everyone:
For those in the chat the question is:
14:50:28 From Maureen Hilyard to Everyone:
On the advice/expected advice sent recently/to be sent to the Board, what would you like to explain or comment on ? Are there any improvements to the current process the Board uses to address Advice that you would like to suggest.
14:51:37 From León Felipe Sánchez Ambía to Everyone:
What do you mean by Non-expedited? Everything in ICANN is expedited @Olivier!
14:51:46 From Jonathan Zuck to Host and Panelists:
We mostly assume a "representative model" even when that's not officially the case
14:51:54 From Frank Anati to Everyone:
Thank you @Hadia
14:52:22 From Holly Raiche to Host and Panelists:
@ Leon - there should be an emoji smile after your input
14:52:40 From Jonathan Zuck to Host and Panelists:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xc4u0zfi5aw4e2w/PolicyParticipationTimline.gif?dl=0
14:53:01 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@Leon (raising the bar way too high) expedited = within 30 days; regular = under 90 days; non-expedited is what we have now - 3-7 years.
14:53:30 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
not possible @Siva
14:53:52 From Frank Anati to Everyone:
@Hadia I really learnt alot from the workshop
14:54:02 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
Agree and disagree Cheryl.
14:54:06 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
Thanks Frank
14:54:36 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
Agree because the in the way policy development works today, even comments require a 90 day window, so the minimum is 18 months;
14:54:58 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
but good scoping and specific narrow focus with clear measurables will aid in better time framing of PDPs
14:55:34 From Mary Wong - ICANN Org to Everyone:
If I may clarify, the GNSO’s Expedited Policy Development Process (EPDP) does not refer to cutting short the time that the working group may need to reach consensus or finalize its recommendations. That pace and progress is determined by the group and its deliberations, overseen by the GNSO Council. What an EPDP does enable is more flexibility and speed in launching a policy process, in certain very limited circumstances.
14:55:34 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
But looking at it another way, @Cheryl, DNS requires policy decisions that are swift, responsive. Perhaps something new needs to be thought of
14:56:10 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
Like, an all-cross-community model, policy development as in a Board room with all community leaders, as in the Corporate environment
14:56:21 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
Would Google take 7 years to develop policy?
14:56:26 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
and the E in EPDP really means no need for an issue report by the GNSO, not a time frame project time may be chartered however
14:57:05 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@Cheryl then EPDP is a misnomer
14:57:21 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
We need EPDP, with the real E in it.
14:58:03 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Host and Panelists:
when I said "non expedited" I meant that some PDPs are EPDPs and some are PDPs. Not all PDPs are EPDPs
14:58:26 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Host and Panelists:
I am not making a comment on the time it takes a PDP or EPDP to conclude.
14:58:44 From León Felipe Sánchez Ambía to Everyone:
Of course @Olivier. I was trying to make a joke
14:58:44 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
There is lots of work going on in the background addressing scoping, prioritization, etc. that will streamline things
14:58:53 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
I get the maintenance message in six languages with the ICANN logo on it. But Sebastien shared the report with me.
14:59:01 From Holly Raiche to Host and Panelists:
@ Marita - on THIS issue?
15:01:05 From Maureen Hilyard to Everyone:
@ALT+ members - you should have been promoted to panelists if you would like to participate in the discussion with the Board
15:02:05 From Holly Raiche to Host and Panelists:
Thanks Maureen
15:07:29 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
As an essential first step, or as a desirable first step for creating a system for data access, wouldn't it require a harmonization process across generic, geo and IDN TLDs, and ccTLDs on what data is collected, how it is formatted, how it is rendereed readable, ?
15:07:49 From Clément Genty - Meursault to Everyone:
Hi all
15:08:55 From Sébastien Bachollet to Host and Panelists:
@Maureen it seems not the case
15:09:44 From Daniel K Nanghaka to Everyone:
I think the Board Advice registry needs to explicit with timelines that the board takes to respond to the advice notices
15:09:59 From Maureen Hilyard to Everyone:
If you have a question put you hand up and Claudia can give you access
15:10:26 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
or if not time line status updated regularly
15:10:54 From Maureen Hilyard to Everyone:
ALT+ members can present questions or comments.
15:12:15 From Matthias Hudobnik to Everyone:
+1 Haida
15:12:27 From Clément Genty - Meursault to Everyone:
+1 Haida
15:12:33 From Matthias Hudobnik to Everyone:
Hadia
15:13:47 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
... harmonization not only across classes of TLDs, but also some form of streamlining between Registrar and Registries on what data is required by the Registry and what data is collected by Registrars and what data is optional for them.
15:15:57 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
@Goran agree the law requires the CPs to make the decision. But we could have a system that gives the opportunity to registrants to identify if the data includes personal information, to identify legal/natural status in addition to consent. This could enable the CPs to include an element of automation.
15:16:08 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
Thanks Martin
15:16:27 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
Maarten
15:16:51 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA to Everyone:
@Hadia, GDPR has a strong advocacy for protecting Individual data
15:17:23 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA to Everyone:
Redacted data is the key in the discussion, what data has to be included in the redacted data
15:17:46 From Goran Marby to Everyone:
Hadia, I guess that there are several things to discuss and there is an increasing amount of case law changing some perceptions.
15:17:54 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA to Everyone:
This is the catching point in data protection
15:18:21 From avri doria to Everyone:
The more detail, the more there may be things that need clarification. The short paper plus clarifications seems to work well.
15:18:22 From Goran Marby to Everyone:
With that said, I do not know if that proposal would legally work and be accepted by Data Protection Authorities
15:20:46 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
discussion can allow for more depth and color to formal documentation act as positive discourse points as well if suitably placed in a project or program
15:21:25 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
@Daniel yes and we are looking to protect registrants data and serve the needs of those who need the data to the benefit of the whole Internet community. @Daniel we all agree on the current redacted data, givine the current collection scheme
15:21:33 From Holly Raiche to Host and Panelists:
What Jonathan isn’t saying is the role the CPWG plays in informing everyone who is on the call about the actual policy and supports discussions amongst the WG about the policy -
15:21:45 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
given
15:22:39 From Alan Greenberg to Host and Panelists:
One of the issues that colored the entire EPDP discussion is that we never addressed the issue of to what extent ICANN is a controller, and what contractual terms of a joint controller agreement would include.
15:23:14 From Goran Marby to Everyone:
There are legal memos that covers that Alan
15:23:37 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
well noted @JZ this bites of cherry commentary we hear is IMO a product of not truly understanding the ALAC role
15:23:40 From Seun S. Ojedeji to Host and Panelists:
Very good point Jonathan; Early participation in the PDP should not make the advice less effective if/when they eventually get sent to the Board.
15:25:00 From Jonathan Zuck to Host and Panelists:
My question was more general, to answer Leon's more general question
15:26:26 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA to Everyone:
Consensus is always a challenge in the PDP, every AC/SO always has a position that it takes, PDP 3.0 has evolved though some challenges come in the scoping of the references of discussion and sometimes during deliberation, discussions are swayed
15:27:04 From Alan Greenberg to Host and Panelists:
@Becky, once the PDP is charterd, it is VERY difficult (perhaps close to impossible) to change the course based on what is happening along the way.
15:27:12 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA to Everyone:
The PDP process cannot be ignored at whatever point
15:27:24 From Holly Raiche to Host and Panelists:
Thanks Danial - the hope, maybe purpose, is that discussion CAN clarify issues and, hopefully, changing minds
15:27:53 From Holly Raiche to Host and Panelists:
(sorry - Daniel)
15:31:12 From Becky Burr to Host and Panelists:
@Alan - I’m thinking about a slightly different issue here. Just in terms of dissecting and understanding the process itself, once the group accepted that the balancing test would remain with registrars should we have begun to have the conversation ALAC has kicked off with its advice?
15:31:28 From Jonathan Zuck to Host and Panelists:
We certainly TRY to make our Capital A "Advice" as focused as possible based on our perceived stakes.
15:32:38 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone:
@Becky, yes, we should have, but my point is that it is very difficult to do that within the PDP (and to impact its outcome).
15:33:33 From Becky Burr to Host and Panelists:
@Alan, not really focused on post mortem as much as lessons for future PDPs.
15:34:37 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone:
@Becky, of course. Far to late to change that PDP, but the issue is likely relevant going forward.
15:34:41 From sergio salinas porto to Everyone:
byeeee
15:34:46 From Clément Genty - Meursault to Everyone:
Thanks for this very interesting meeting !
15:35:03 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
Thanks and Later all.
15:35:09 From Olévié KOUAMI to Everyone:
Thank you
15:36:12 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
Thank you, Avri, Leon, Maarten, I can certainly vouch for the fact that the ALAC Advice on SubPro was carefully crafted to bring the Board's attention to issues that we thought lacked something be it end-user interest, or even ICANN interest.
15:36:13 From Sarah Kiden to Everyone:
Thank you all. Great meeting
15:36:15 From Lianna Galstyan to Everyone:
Thank you
15:36:18 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
This was all an excellent discussion today everyone, thank you! Bye for now then...
15:36:19 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong to Everyone:
bye thanks Merci
15:36:21 From Matthias Hudobnik to Everyone:
Thanks!
15:36:24 From Herb Waye to Everyone:
Great session, thank you
15:36:41 From León Felipe Sánchez Ambía to Everyone:
Thanks everyone!
15:36:44 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA to Everyone:
This has been a great and productive discussion
15:36:44 From Hanan Khatib to Everyone:
Thank you all
15:36:45 From Harold Arcos to Everyone:
great session,, thank you all, see you
15:36:46 From Clément Genty - Meursault to Everyone:
Thanks Leon ! Once a Fellow, Always a Fellow !
15:36:48 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA to Everyone:
Thanks everyone
15:36:50 From Shah Zahidur Rahman ICANN72 Fellow to Everyone:
Thanks all
15:36:52 From Herb Waye to Everyone:
Stay safe and be kind
15:36:57 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
Thank you to the Board members, to Goran and all
15:36:58 From León Felipe Sánchez Ambía to Everyone:
Indeed Clément!
15:36:58 From Jonathan Zuck to Host and Panelists:
Thanks everyone!
15:37:06 From alberto soto to Host and Panelists:
Thanks all!!
15:37:12 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
this was indeed a good discussion
15:37:17 From Jonathan Zuck to Host and Panelists:
Goran, are you in your driveway?
15:37:31 From David Olive to Host and Panelists:
Thanks ALL
15:37:31 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone:
HAving attended many ALAC Board discussions where everyone's commnets were scripted in advance, this was a great meeting.
15:37:34 From Lito Ibarra to Everyone:
Thanks everyone
15:37:34 From Goran Marby to Everyone:
And please read the CEO report for more answers to questions
15:37:41 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
Thanks for the discussion
15:37:47 From Edmon Chung to Everyone:
thx all, bye