00:59:31 Harold Arcos: my pleasure @Holly
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01:03:24 Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong: Hello All from Chad, happy to e-see you again hère .
01:03:37 Dave Kissoondoyal - ALAC: Hello everyone.. sorry for being late
01:03:44 Holly Raiche: I’d LOVE to be there
01:07:44 Heidi Ullrich, ICANN Org Staff: G7 Carbis Bay Communique - http://www.g7.utoronto.ca/summit/2021cornwall/210613-communique.html
01:07:55 Roberto: A bit of self-promotion - talking about outer space, EuroDIG will feature a session on Delay-Tolerant Networking, of which the Interplanetary Internet is a part of
01:16:52 Heidi Ullrich, ICANN Org Staff: A tour of Delft and even a glimpse of The Hague will be shown during the social event .
01:18:32 Sébastien Bachollet: Please come to the EURALO Social event with something round and white (like a plate) and blue paint and a brush for one of the activities organised by Natalia
01:20:15 Heidi Ullrich, ICANN Org Staff: Contracted Party House - CPH
01:22:01 Heidi Ullrich, ICANN Org Staff: At-Large ICANN71 workspace: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/ICANN71+-+June+2021%3A+Virtual+Policy+Forum
01:22:38 Martin Sutton: BRG is also running a session about the next round that ALAC may like to attend - details here https://brandregistrygroup.org/brg-connect/
01:23:15 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Noted @Martin
01:23:29 AKay Oloyede: In the same shoes with Jonathan. 3 am in the morning
01:23:30 Harold Arcos: thanks @Martin,,
01:24:34 Erhan Kiraner-ICANN Org: HU
01:24:51 Holly Raiche: Finally, the Sydney time is fine - 5.30pm
01:25:14 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Yes @Holly but NOT for most of the meeting ;-)
01:25:51 Maxim Alzoba: it used to be open
01:25:56 Cheryl Langdon-Orr: We will have our turn
01:27:03 Joanna Kulesza: Please note that both: GDPR and what will likely become the new WHOIS will be discussed in the plenary later today on regulatory developments.
01:27:10 Maxim Alzoba: but that was not ok with the EU law even in the past (GDPR changed fines part , which now are quite high and able to instakill almost any registrar or most registries)
01:34:51 Maxim Alzoba: we should not forget that for GEO tlds , they also have obligations before the local relevant authorities (and if something is added into voluntary obligations , most probably it is approved by the local authorities , and it is in the best interest of the registry to closely follow it’s obligations). GEOs are somewhere in the middle of the ccTLD -> gTLD scale , and in addition to the ICANN contract have to follow the local laws + agreements with the relevant local authorities
01:37:05 Holly Raiche: CPWG - Consolidated Policy Working Group
01:37:57 Jonathan Zuck: @Maxim, there’s nothing to stop an application for a geo name, from outside the jurisdiction of relevant governments.
01:38:03 Holly Raiche: End User Participaiton
01:38:43 John McCormac - HosterStats.com: @JZ But the government/local government could object?
01:39:34 Maxim Alzoba: @Jonathan, formally there is also a technical part of the application, which could be messed. the Local Authorities may chose which applicant is the best in their opinion, and if they do not agree to one - the applicant is done -> dev/null
01:39:42 Jonathan Zuck: @John, yes. That’s why we’re supporting a broader notification system.
01:40:14 Jonathan Zuck: @Maxim, I THINK that only applies to capital cities
01:40:24 Maarten Botterman: Was a pleasure, as always. Guessing the "little town"... curious
01:41:10 Holly Raiche: @ JZ - I think you’re right - only applies to capital cities - but not sure
01:41:55 Heidi Ullrich, ICANN Org Staff: Plenary Session: Governmental Regulatory Developments, WHOIS, Data Protection, and Cybersecurity - 10:30-12:00 UTC
01:41:58 Maxim Alzoba: and the last round it was a kind of rule, if there are few applications for the same city name - the one which is a capital wins. but if someone applied for citi_somwhere and has a mayor’s office letter of support (and understanding that the process is extremely costly, and the same for the annual expenses) - it was possible to have that small city TLD.
01:42:19 John McCormac - HosterStats.com: @Maxim @JZ In terms of development and getting registrations, geo names are a very special class and require more marketing than generic/gTLDs. Getting the local government onside is very important.
01:42:40 Maxim Alzoba: it is not just very important - it is a must
01:43:11 Maxim Alzoba: like with ccTLDs, without the local authorities support - it just does not happen
01:43:34 Jonathan Zuck: @John, part of our concern is investors going after geo names, in hopes of selling them to relevant parties later, at a premium
01:43:46 John McCormac - HosterStats.com: True. Geonames have to position themselves so that they are not seen as a threat to the local ccTLDs.
01:44:32 John McCormac - HosterStats.com: @JZ The dynamics of speculation in ccTLDs and geonames, apart from a handful of very high value doms, are very different to those of gTLDs.
01:44:33 Mark Datysgeld: GeoNames have been reasonably regulated on the previous round though, haven't they... Even ".bar" had to address a dispute with the small city of Bar.
01:44:38 Maxim Alzoba: @Jonathan, with GEOs, most probably a lot of names are reserved for the needs of the local city office (like schools.city, police.city e.t.c.)
01:44:38 Heidi Ullrich, ICANN Org Staff: Tuesday: ICANN and the Internet Governance Ecosystem - 12:30-14:00 UTC
01:45:23 Heidi Ullrich, ICANN Org Staff: Today - At-Large Policy Session 1: End User Participation in ICANN PDPs and their Role within the ICANN ecosystem - 08:30-10:00 UTC
01:45:34 Gisella Gruber: Next At-Large session at 08:30 UTC: At-Large Policy Session 1: End User Participation in ICANN PDPs and their Role within the ICANN ecosystem
01:45:35 Jonathan Zuck: We know that .AMAZON was a bit of a debacle. There are plenty of brands that make use of the Nile, for example, which would not be a reserved name.
01:45:44 Maxim Alzoba: and most had special periods for registration for the needs of the local authorities, so public services, monuments, important names go there
01:46:07 Olivier Crépin-Leblond: Quick note: this session about ICANN PDPs should really avoid having an acronym in its title?
01:46:09 John McCormac - HosterStats.com: One of the things that I see with some ccTLDs is that doms that are reasonably high value in .COM tend to be registered and then dropped repeatedly because they don't sell. It is the hopeful and naïve application of .COM values to ccTLDs markets.
01:46:21 Mark Datysgeld: In certain cases that became problems, it was that governments did not act rather than that there were no safeguards.
01:46:37 Olivier Crépin-Leblond: sure: briefly!
01:47:27 Maxim Alzoba: if the GEO applicant thinks well in advance - the government is well informed and aware of the potential benefits for the city/region
01:48:09 Mark Datysgeld: Ideally they would make a partnership plan with whoever is seeking the domain, but... politics.
01:48:17 John McCormac - HosterStats.com: The classic example of .COM rules being applied to a ccTLD would have been the .EU landrush. That went badly for most of those involved and portfolios were being dumped within a year or two. (Multilanguage market targeted with primarily English language keyword registrations.
01:48:17 Mark Datysgeld: * the TLD
01:48:51 John McCormac - HosterStats.com: @Mark There's also the problem of pushback from the ccTLDs in those markets.
01:49:06 Maxim Alzoba: but the authorities in all countries are not fast, annual cycles of everything, and any change on ICANN side can push plans -> next year due to the need of approval
01:49:08 Mark Datysgeld: @John True.
01:50:41 Mark Datysgeld: As a small reminder as the IDNs geek: for .eu, we have .ею as an option. :)
01:51:20 Cheryl Langdon-Orr - ALAC Liaison to GNSO Council: :-) @Mark from an APAC IDN Geek
01:51:42 Shreedeep Rayamajhi: so true Olivia
01:51:45 Mark Datysgeld: Great to see you here, Cheryl.
01:52:01 Chokri Ben Romdhane: Great issues Olivier
01:52:02 Cheryl Langdon-Orr - ALAC Liaison to GNSO Council: I still serve ALAC and At-Large ;-)
01:52:02 John McCormac - HosterStats.com: In terms of development, if a geoname has not got a sufficient market and brand awareness in the first three years, it will run into trouble by year 4/year 5 of operation. It can take about 10 years for some of the initial speculation to wash out of a new TLD.
01:52:33 Maxim Alzoba: GEOs have mostly local relevance
01:52:33 hadia Elminiawi: sorry old hand
01:52:36 Mark Datysgeld: @John that'svery interesting insight.
01:52:46 alberto soto: Tanks, bye bye!!
01:52:50 Seun S. Ojedeji: thanks and bye
01:52:51 Maxim Alzoba: thanks all
01:53:01 Cheryl Langdon-Orr - ALAC Liaison to GNSO Council: Whetted our appetites for the week to come nicely thanks presenters!
01:53:03 John McCormac - HosterStats.com: @Mark Eurid has done a lot of very good work in promoting .EU and should be a textbook case for geonames.
01:53:09 Amrita Choudhury: Thanks and see you in the next session :)
01:53:09 Chokri Ben Romdhane: thank you
01:53:12 Gisella Gruber: Next At-Large session at 08:30 UTC: At-Large Policy Session 1: End User Participation in ICANN PDPs and their Role within the ICANN ecosystem
01:53:22 Jonathan Zuck: .EU has a done a LOT right
01:53:22 Roberto: see you soon at another session…
01:53:22 Satish Babu (APRALO): Bye for now...See you at the next session!
01:53:31 Dave Kissoondoyal - ALAC: Thanks and bye to all
01:53:37 Cheryl Langdon-Orr - ALAC Liaison to GNSO Council: Next is FIka
01:53:38 Holly Raiche: Bye Bye
01:53:38 Heidi Ullrich, ICANN Org Staff: Thank you for joining! Thanks also to all those who were involved in organising meetings.
01:53:46 Jonathan Zuck: Thanks everyone!
01:53:57 Harold Arcos: thanks everyone,,,
01:54:00 Herb Waye Ombuds: Take care everyone… have a great ICANN71 stay safe and be kind
01:54:04 Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong: Merci à tous
01:54:06 hadia Elminiawi: bye for now - see you in half an hour
01:54:06 Silvia Vivanco ICANN org: Thank you all ! See you at the sessions