11:38:17 From Claudia Ruiz : Welcome to the Consolidated Policy Working Group Call
11:49:49 From CART Support : can you make me the captioner?
11:49:51 From CART Support : I'll set it up
11:58:05 From silvia.vivanco : Hello all welcome
12:01:09 From briancute : Greetings all.
12:01:18 From Judith Hellerstein : HI All.
12:01:18 From Leon Sanchez : Hello everyone
12:01:28 From Omir Kerr : Hey
12:02:01 From Claudia Ruiz : https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN [streamtext.net]
12:02:08 From silvia.vivanco : Welcomeall
12:03:00 From Vrikson Acosta : Good afternoon
12:04:08 From Claudia Ruiz : https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN [streamtext.net]
12:04:34 From Leon Sanchez : I just love the captioning function
12:04:40 From Leon Sanchez : It is so useful for non-native speakers
12:04:50 From silvia.vivanco : + 1 Leon its quite useful!
12:05:09 From Glenn McKnight NARALO : Here is a document i converted to an Ebook on Multistakeholderism
12:05:37 From Glenn McKnight NARALO : http://online.fliphtml5.com/gnel/ncfg/
12:08:00 From silvia.vivanco : https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/Action+items%3A+2019-09-18+Consolidated+Policy+Working+Group+Call
12:08:19 From Holly Raiche : After Brian
12:08:43 From Abdulkarim Oloyede : thanks Glenn....
12:09:20 From silvia.vivanco : Welcome Brian Cute
12:09:59 From Justine Chew : @Olivier, AOB - Amazon (i) is covered under agenda item 6 by Marita.
12:14:57 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : yes @Justine :-)
12:22:29 From Greg Shatan : Hello, all. Sorry to be late!
12:22:59 From Claudia Ruiz : Welcome Greg
12:25:21 From Judith Hellerstein : I was there
12:25:28 From Judith Hellerstein : I also was on the second one as well
12:25:28 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : :-)
12:26:04 From Lutz Donnerhacke : I'm sorry, I'm late.
12:26:09 From Glenn McKnight NARALO : interesting comment Alan, not sure if it was sarcasm
12:26:49 From Claudia Ruiz : Welcome Lutz
12:30:29 From Justine Chew : +1 Marita, we simply don't know what future outcomes would be.
12:30:42 From Leon Sanchez : I would just like to point that whatever plan is laid out, it is a continued exercise and living document that should take into account the input from all parts within ICANN (including the Board)
12:30:59 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : I agree Marita
12:33:01 From Leon Sanchez : Thanks for the clarification Brian
12:33:32 From Justine Chew : So I guess we can only say, for eg, wrt PDP 3.0 at <date> we understand PDP 3.0 will take <a certain form with description> so based on this , we think <input>
12:33:41 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : Our key issue is the one Holly mentioned of getting information out to our communities in a more palatable and simplified form so that they understand policy issues - solutions may be fit for purpose if the community does it for themselves.. but when staff don't understand what community needs are, it is ignored so that nothing gets done unless we do it for ourselves
12:33:54 From Alan Greenberg : SPecifically don't have a seat on the GNSO COuncil
12:34:28 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Indeed it is @Greg
12:34:32 From Holly Raiche : On PDP3 - yes, it is not complete but we already know the headings - which are not encouraging and seem to encourage ‘streamlining’ membership, vetting members, etc. So from what IS known, there are issues for us
12:35:14 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Well said Greg
12:35:27 From silvia.vivanco : Thank you Brian
12:35:27 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Thanks Brian
12:35:30 From Jonathan Zuck : Thanks Brian!
12:35:48 From briancute : Thank you all!
12:36:07 From silvia.vivanco : CPWG to pick up on today’s discussion so the WG can proceed forward with MSM consultation
12:36:18 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : Thanks Brian
12:36:21 From Holly Raiche : Thanks Brian
12:40:06 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : You did an admirable job of that @Justine
12:40:39 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : I'm sure she did..
12:42:49 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : call for WT5 starts at top of this coming hour UTC
12:42:58 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : so in about 15 mins
12:44:09 From Holly Raiche : Well done Justine
12:44:34 From Justine Chew : okie dokie
12:44:53 From Marita Moll : Thank Justine. See you on the next call
12:45:08 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : All these updates are providing us all with the information we need when it comes to public comments that will be invited when the report comes out.
12:48:02 From Holly Raiche : No further comment - it was very productive
12:50:25 From Lutz Donnerhacke : Yes of course. That's expected for whois queries
12:52:55 From avri doria : Does the ALAC poistion take into account legal entities that are vulnerable to attack, such ass abused children's shelters.
12:53:30 From avri doria : … as abused .. s key sticks.
12:53:53 From Sivasubramanian M : Thank you Alan
12:54:47 From Alberto Soto : Yes!!!
12:54:54 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : and a good few years of practice
12:56:21 From Leon Sanchez : There are countries in which organizational data is not considered personal information hence falling out of personal data protection laws
12:57:05 From avri doria : Thanks, I was not arguing for a positon, just trying to understand the solution space.
12:57:11 From Leon Sanchez : By organizational data I mean both legal person’s information and information associated to a person’s role within an organization i.e. email@example.com
12:57:30 From Greg Shatan : Wouldn’t that be dealt with in a balancing test?
12:58:50 From Greg Shatan : I hope there is also a path for e.g. abused children’s shelters to get information out of Whois in order to investigate attacks.
12:58:58 From Sivasubramanian M : Once we establish the distinction, we could provide for necessary exceptions and essential safeguards. But the exceptions may not be highlighted at this stage and used as an argument to divert us entirely away from making this distinction.
13:01:51 From Lutz Donnerhacke : That's so sad. Amazon is going crazy.
13:03:51 From Justine Chew : Have to drop off now for WT5 call.
13:04:10 From Greg Shatan : Same here, @Justine.
13:05:01 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : WT5 Call has indeed syarted
13:05:50 From Leon Sanchez : I sent the link to the At-large mailing list and the Skype chat if I’m not mistaken
13:09:54 From Alberto Soto : Thanks Leon
13:11:36 From Vrikson Acosta : Bye. Got to go
13:11:47 From silvia.vivanco : ok please let staff know if you wish to have a Wiki page
13:11:55 From Leon Sanchez : I have to leave the call now. My apologies for not staying till the end
13:11:59 From Leon Sanchez : Thanks everyone
13:13:41 From silvia.vivanco : Thank you Leon!
13:15:17 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : note it is only a 30 day PC I believe... Staff can you confirm? in another cal or I would
13:15:43 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : there done yes shorter than usual
13:16:08 From silvia.vivanco : At -large will open a wiki page on the AMAZON Pic and CPWG to discuss if At-Large wishes to address this item the AMAZON Pic could be improved, deadline is Oct 14
13:16:29 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : thanks @Marita appreciated
13:16:50 From silvia.vivanco : Marita to continue the discussion on to the mailing list
13:16:57 From Omir Kerr : @Silvia great.
13:17:05 From silvia.vivanco : Staff to put the PPT presented by Marita on the wiki page
13:26:59 From Holly Raiche : There should be stats on at least the nature of complaints being handled
13:27:10 From Holly Raiche : Absolutely agreed
13:33:06 From Sivasubramanian M : DNS abuse requires an expanded definition that includes a range of abuses
13:34:00 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : Could Compliance reports be this? https://www.icann.org/resources/compliance-reporting-performance
13:34:35 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Yes that is part of the prioritisation of review recommendations work ATRT3 is doing that Brais also mentioned
13:34:38 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Thanks JZ
13:35:17 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : :-)
13:35:27 From Jonathan Zuck : Right @CLO everything is so connected
13:35:33 From Justine Chew : Hello, I'm back. Thanks @Olivier, I was just about to ask where I would find Jonathan's slidedeck.
13:36:09 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : WT% call went quickly as it was an informational piece on the drafting process
13:36:14 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : WT5
13:37:31 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : That is likely to be a short list if your looking for INFORMED input I agree Alan
13:38:08 From Marita Moll : Surveys take a long time and are very very expensive.
13:38:29 From Justine Chew : Who and how.
13:39:00 From Justine Chew : Not 140 chars?
13:39:04 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : That said @Alan there are ways to design that sort of educate then ask survey (as they pften do in Market Research) with limitations on bias in the data and analysis of course
13:39:13 From Claudia Ruiz : @all both Marita and Jonathan’s presentations are linked to the agenda
13:39:19 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : did I say 180?
13:39:22 From Sivasubramanian M : We need some funds to reach out, network and work with the relevant sections of Civil Society external to ICANN to make our work for end users far more effective
13:39:31 From Justine Chew : +1 Cheryl.
13:39:43 From Jonathan Zuck : I agree completely Alan. I don’t support a broad open ended survey. Don’t worry. I forget what I was responding to but I wasn’t suggesting an end user sruvey
13:40:18 From Justine Chew : I wasn't dreaming of an open-ended end user survey either.
13:42:22 From Jonathan Zuck : I don’t need to speak. We shouldn’t do a an open ended survey
13:43:02 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : I just have one more matter to raise
13:43:23 From avri doria : On the GPI Toolkit issue happy to discuss it during any meeting, as I said during the webinar.
13:43:38 From Jonathan Zuck : “Research” IS possible
13:43:43 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : The right professionals can no doubt creat suitable survey as log as the purpose is crystal clear
13:44:04 From Marita Moll : Oh yes, that GPI toolkit has a deadline and we have not talked about that
13:44:07 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : INdeed we were giving more Advice
13:44:15 From Justine Chew : Advice EVERY week?
13:44:22 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : and they complained about too much!!!
13:44:30 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : good GRIEF!!!!
13:44:40 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : talk about NEVER satisfied!!!
13:44:46 From Jonathan Zuck : We WILL on DNS Abuse. Let’s be selective about it but we can make sure that we use that mechanism
13:45:10 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Avri do please note the swing of the pendulum on all this
13:45:16 From Justine Chew : I'm with you on that, Jonathan.
13:45:40 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : +1 Jonathan.. we need to balance advice and comment
13:45:44 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : We almost had a fit at that I can tell you
13:46:09 From avri doria : Cheryl, it is in the nature of pendula to swing.
13:46:15 From Yrjo Lansipuro : I’m not proposing an open ended survey. We should carefully formulate the questions we want to ask
13:47:27 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : Exactly Chery
13:47:33 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : Cheryl
13:47:57 From silvia.vivanco : next call- next week WED 13 utc
13:48:14 From silvia.vivanco : Thank you very much all !
13:48:16 From Alberto Soto : Thanks,bye bye!!!!!!
13:48:17 From Jonathan Zuck : Yes @Yrjo, let’s figure out the best way to do research on what end users face. It might not be asking them
13:48:17 From Marita Moll : Bye all
13:48:21 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Bye for now
13:48:24 From Abdias IPANDETEC : Thanks for the call
13:48:27 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong : bye all
13:48:29 From Abdias IPANDETEC : Bye bye guys
13:48:31 From Abdulkarim Oloyede : bye all
13:48:35 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong : thanks