Sub-group Members: Anne Aikman-Scalese, Avri Doria, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, Chris Wilson, David McAuley, Erich Schweighofer, Farzaneh Badii, Finn Petersen, Greg Shatan, Jorge Cancio, Kavouss Arasteh, Phil Marano, Thiago Jardim, Tijani Ben Jemaa
ICANN Org: Bernard Turcotte, Brenda Brewer
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- Review of Agenda
- Changes to SOIs
- Identify Audio Only and Phone Number Participants
- Continued analysis of comments
- Review comments
- Adjourn (next meeting 31 January 1300UTC)
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Brenda Brewer: (1/24/2018 12:07) Good day! Welcome to Jurisdiction Subgroup Meeting #52 on 24 January 2018 @ 19:00 UTC.
Brenda Brewer: (12:08) When not speaking, please mute your phone by pressing *6 (star 6). To unmute, *6. This call is recorded.
Brenda Brewer: (12:08) Reminder to all, for captioning and transcription, please state your name before speaking and speak slowly. Thank you!
Jamie- CART support: (12:40) can we have an audio test for captioner>?
Captioner: (12:42) Yes, I can hear you, thank you
Jamie- CART support: (12:43) ty!
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (12:57) hello all
Captioner: (12:58) Who will be our main speaker? Greg Shatan?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (12:58) hi all
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (12:59) yes Greg is Leading the call
Brenda Brewer: (12:59) Thanks Cheryl! :)
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (12:59) Good evening from Europe!
Brenda Brewer: (13:00) For the record: Dial out to Kavouss, no answer.
David McAuley: (13:00) Hello all,
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:00) all please remember to mute if not speaking
David McAuley: (13:01) I have to leave call at 45 minutes past hour, hard stop, regrets
avri doria: (13:01) i'll be adding a second meeting in te unused ear at the half hour.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:02) so situation 'normal' @avri
David McAuley: (13:03) no audio, cannot hear, trying workarounds (no phone)
David McAuley: (13:03) fixed
David McAuley: (13:04) sound good
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:04) good sound
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (13:05) @Greg: I hope the change is for good!
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:06) each comment is now n umbered
David McAuley: (13:06) can you give row number Greg - where we are picking up
David McAuley: (13:06) thanks
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:07) will do
Brenda Brewer: (13:07) Greg, I can give you document control.
Kavouss.Arasteh: (13:08) Dear Brenda,
Kavouss.Arasteh: (13:09) Pls kindly advise to dial me up
Brenda Brewer: (13:09) Calling you Kavouss.
Kavouss.Arasteh: (13:09) TKS aWAITING
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:12) can we state the comment number when we switch comments - makes it easier to follow in the transcript
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:14) Kavouss
Farzaneh Badii: (13:14) I don't see the line numbers
Brenda Brewer: (13:14) currently on 5.06
Farzaneh Badii: (13:14) oh saw it
Brenda Brewer: (13:14) see second column
Farzaneh Badii: (13:14) thanks
Brenda Brewer: (13:15) you're welcome!
Chris Wilson: (13:16) Brenda, I am x2992
Brenda Brewer: (13:16) Thank you!
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:17) Farzaneh hand
Farzaneh Badii: (13:17) totally agree Greg
Farzaneh Badii: (13:18) we discussed it extensively in the group
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:18) agree Greg
David McAuley: (13:19) And they can note that any advice is not legal advice when they give it
Farzaneh Badii: (13:19) yes we did . thanks Greg
Tijani BEN JEMAA: (13:23) Please scroll down
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:24) Tijani is the text you wer elooking for the following: Torestate,wesupporttheabovementionedrecommendationsandwelookforwardtoICANN’sconcreteactionsforresolvingthejurisdictionalissuesandimplementingthesolutions.
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:24) sorry garbled paste
David McAuley: (13:24) I question these changes
David McAuley: (13:25) I cannot dial in yet but we specifically agreed that the general license effort has to be preceded by an examination of how and how hard it is to do
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:25) Tijani here it is cleaned up - To restate, we support the abovementioned recommendations and we look forward to ICANN’s concrete actions for resolving the jurisdictional issues and implementing the solutions.
David McAuley: (13:25) I do think we struck right balance
David McAuley: (13:27) as quickly as possible is not a concern, just the idea that we not send ICANN off on a mission nbefore it analyzes/plans it
David McAuley: (13:27) so thanks Farzi
Farzaneh Badii: (13:28) glad Icould clarify David. Thanks
David McAuley: (13:33) it seems opportunity costs easily fits under our recommendation to study 'costs'
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (13:33) what is exactly meant with "opportunity cost"?
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (13:34) for whom?
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:34) hand Farzaneh
David McAuley: (13:34) I think it means what would be lost (not spent on) by spending money on gen license
Farzaneh Badii: (13:34) oh whaat they could spend on something else other than this ... sigh
Kavouss.Arasteh: (13:34) Nothing is free
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (13:35) that is the ICANN Org perspective - there is also an opportunity cost for affected parties if a gral license is not followed upon
David McAuley: (13:35) if they spend $1million on lobbying for gen license what would they not spend on - PDP work? fellows program" travel? - I think we give latitude to study any cost
David McAuley: (13:36) This issue illustrates why it is good that community has some oversight of budget
David McAuley: (13:37) agree w.Greg and Farzi on problem statement
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:37) time check - 23 minutes left in call
Kavouss.Arasteh: (13:38) Why we have to modify the report as results of ICANN comments
David McAuley: (13:38) good insight Bernie
Farzaneh Badii: (13:40) it's about ICANN's mission and access to DNS. but we can argue these things later. As David said they can do it in the study.at the preliminary stage
David McAuley: (13:40) Our report says, in part: “ICANN should first prioritize a study of the costs, benefits, timeline and details of the process.” That gives latitude to study costs
Kavouss.Arasteh: (13:42) We Expected a more positiove comments from ICANN
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:43) HAVE MOVED ON TO 7
Farzaneh Badii: (13:44) oh Elton John is really retiring
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:45) Time check - 15 minutes left in call
David McAuley: (13:45) I am sorry I have to leave this good call now, thanks Greg, and all
Thiago Jardim: (13:46) Apologies, got held up in a meeting.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:47) I don't hear/understand Kavouss can someone review?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:48) ah it was a process concern... ok
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:48) the @Greg
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:49) thx not the
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:53) I see their point
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:54) 90 Min meeting
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:59) thanks Greg and everyone... bye ð for now then...
Farzaneh Badii: (13:59) thank you Greg.
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:59) bye all
avri doria: (13:59) bye
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (13:59) thanks all and bye!
Erich Schweighofer: (13:59) Bye