Sub-group Members:   Anne Aikman-Scalese, Avri Doria, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, Chris Wilson, David McAuley, Erich Schweighofer, Farzaneh Badii, Finn Petersen, Greg Shatan, Jorge Cancio, Kavouss Arasteh, Phil Marano, Thiago Jardim, Tijani Ben Jemaa


ICANN Org:  Bernard Turcotte, Brenda Brewer

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  1. Welcome
  2. Review of Agenda 
  3. Administration 
    1. Changes to SOIs
    2. Identify Audio Only and Phone Number Participants
  4. Continued analysis of comments 
    1. Review comments
  5. AOB 
  6. Adjourn (next meeting 31 January 1300UTC)

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 Brenda Brewer: (1/24/2018 12:07) Good day!  Welcome to Jurisdiction Subgroup Meeting #52 on 24 January 2018 @ 19:00 UTC.

  Brenda Brewer: (12:08) When not speaking, please mute your phone by pressing *6 (star 6). To unmute, *6. This call is recorded.

  Brenda Brewer: (12:08) Reminder to all, for captioning and transcription, please  state your name before speaking and speak slowly.  Thank you!

  Jamie- CART support: (12:40) can we have an audio test for captioner>?

  Captioner: (12:42) Yes, I can hear you, thank you

  Jamie- CART support: (12:43) ty!

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (12:57) hello all

  Captioner: (12:58) Who will be our main speaker?  Greg Shatan?

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (12:58) hi all

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (12:59) yes Greg is Leading the call

  Brenda Brewer: (12:59) Thanks Cheryl!  :)

  Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (12:59) Good evening from Europe!

  Brenda Brewer: (13:00) For the record:  Dial out to Kavouss, no answer.

  David McAuley: (13:00) Hello all,

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:00) all please remember to mute if not speaking

  David McAuley: (13:01) I have to leave call at 45 minutes past hour, hard stop, regrets

  avri doria: (13:01) i'll be adding a second meeting in te unused ear at the half hour.

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:02) so situation 'normal' @avri

  David McAuley: (13:03) no audio, cannot hear, trying workarounds (no phone)

  David McAuley: (13:03) fixed

  David McAuley: (13:04) sound good

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:04) good sound

  Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (13:05) @Greg: I hope the change is for good!

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:06) each comment is now n umbered

  David McAuley: (13:06) can you give row number Greg - where we are picking up

  David McAuley: (13:06) thanks

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:07) will do

  Brenda Brewer: (13:07) Greg, I can give you document control.

  Kavouss.Arasteh: (13:08) Dear Brenda,

  Kavouss.Arasteh: (13:09) Pls kindly advise to dial me up

  Brenda Brewer: (13:09) Calling you Kavouss.

  Kavouss.Arasteh: (13:09) TKS aWAITING

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:12) can we state the comment number when we switch comments - makes it easier to follow in the transcript

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:14) Kavouss

  Farzaneh Badii: (13:14) I don't see the line numbers

  Brenda Brewer: (13:14) currently on 5.06

  Farzaneh Badii: (13:14) oh saw it

  Brenda Brewer: (13:14) see second column

  Farzaneh Badii: (13:14) thanks

  Brenda Brewer: (13:15) you're welcome!

  Chris Wilson: (13:16) Brenda, I am x2992

  Brenda Brewer: (13:16) Thank you!

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:17) Farzaneh hand

  Farzaneh Badii: (13:17) totally agree Greg

  Farzaneh Badii: (13:18) we discussed it extensively in the group

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:18) agree Greg

  David McAuley: (13:19) And they can note that any advice is not legal advice when they give it

  Farzaneh Badii: (13:19) yes we did . thanks Greg

  Tijani BEN JEMAA: (13:23) Please scroll down

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:24) Tijani is the text you wer elooking for the following: Torestate,wesupporttheabovementionedrecommendationsandwelookforwardtoICANN’sconcreteactionsforresolvingthejurisdictionalissuesandimplementingthesolutions.

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:24) sorry garbled paste

  David McAuley: (13:24) I question these changes

  David McAuley: (13:25) I cannot dial in yet but we specifically agreed that the general license effort has to be preceded by an examination of how and how hard it is to do

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:25) Tijani here it is cleaned up - To restate, we support the abovementioned recommendations and we look forward to ICANN’s concrete actions for resolving the jurisdictional issues and implementing the solutions.

  David McAuley: (13:25) I do think we struck right balance

  David McAuley: (13:27) as quickly as possible is not a concern, just the idea that we not send ICANN off on a mission nbefore it analyzes/plans it

  David McAuley: (13:27) so thanks Farzi

  Farzaneh Badii: (13:28) glad Icould clarify David. Thanks

  David McAuley: (13:33) it seems opportunity costs easily fits under our recommendation to study 'costs'

  Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (13:33) what is exactly meant with "opportunity cost"?

  Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (13:34) for whom?

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:34) hand Farzaneh

  David McAuley: (13:34) I think it means what would be lost (not spent on) by spending money on gen license

  Farzaneh Badii: (13:34) oh whaat they could spend on something else other than this ... sigh

  Kavouss.Arasteh: (13:34) Nothing is free

  Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (13:35) that is the ICANN Org perspective - there is also an opportunity cost for affected parties if a gral license is not followed upon

  David McAuley: (13:35) if they spend $1million on lobbying for gen license what would they not spend on - PDP work? fellows program" travel? - I think we give latitude to study any cost

  David McAuley: (13:36) This issue illustrates why it is good that community has some oversight of budget

  David McAuley: (13:37) agree w.Greg and Farzi on problem statement

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:37) time check - 23 minutes left in call

  Kavouss.Arasteh: (13:38) Why we have to modify the report as results  of ICANN comments

  David McAuley: (13:38) good insight Bernie

  Farzaneh Badii: (13:40) it's about ICANN's mission and access to DNS. but we can argue these things later. As David said they can do it in the the preliminary stage

  David McAuley: (13:40) Our report says, in part: “ICANN should first prioritize a study of the costs, benefits, timeline and details of the process.” That gives latitude to study costs

  Kavouss.Arasteh: (13:42) We Expected a more positiove  comments from ICANN

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:43) HAVE MOVED ON TO 7

  Farzaneh Badii: (13:44) oh Elton John is really retiring

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:45) Time check - 15 minutes left in call

  David McAuley: (13:45) I am sorry I have to leave this good call now, thanks Greg, and all

  Thiago Jardim: (13:46) Apologies, got held up in a meeting.

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:47) I don't hear/understand Kavouss can someone review?

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:48) ah it was a process concern... ok

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:48) the @Greg

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:49) thx not the

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:53) I see their point

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:54) 90 Min meeting

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:59) thanks Greg and everyone...  bye 👋 for now then...

  Farzaneh Badii: (13:59) thank you Greg.

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:59) bye all

  avri doria: (13:59) bye

  Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (13:59) thanks all and bye!

  Erich Schweighofer: (13:59) Bye

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