Sub-group Members:   Avri Doria, Becky Burr, Brian Winterfeldt, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, Chris Wilson, David McAuley, Erich Schweighofer, Erika Mann, Finn Petersen, Greg Shatan, Griffin Barnett, Jeff Neuman, Jorge Cancio, Kavouss Arasteh, Mary Uduma, Philip Corwin, Samantha Eisner, Steve DelBianco, Thiago Jardim, Tom Dale, Veni Markovski   (21)

Observers/Guests:  Luisa Paez, Taylor RW Bentley   (2)

ICANN Org:  Bernard Turcotte, Brenda Brewer, Patrick Dodson

Apologies:  /

 ** If your name is missing from attendance or apology, please send note to **




1. Welcome

2. Review of Agenda (2 minutes)

3. Administration (1 minute)

3.1. Changes to SOIs

3.2. Identify Audio Only and Phone Number Participants

4. Analysis of comments (50 minutes)

4.1. Review Process

4.2. Review comments

5. AOB (5 Minutes)

6. Adjourn (next meeting 24 January 1900UTC)

Raw Captioning Notes

Disclaimer: This rough edit transcript, which may contain missing, misspelled or paraphrased words, is only provided for your immediate review and is not certified as verbatim and is not to be cited in any way. 


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Action Items:

  • Staff update documents and distribute to the sub-group.


  • Participants should read all comments prior to the next call on 24 January 1900 UTC.


Chat Transcript

Brenda Brewer: (1/18/2018 12:26) Good day all!  Welcome to WS2 Jurisdiction Subgroup call #51 on 18 January 2018 @ 19:00 UTC.

  Brenda Brewer: (12:26) When not speaking, please mute your phone by pressing *6 (star 6). To unmute, *6. This call is recorded.

  Brenda Brewer: (12:27) Reminder to all, for captioning and transcription, please  state your name before speaking and speak slowly.

  Kavouss.Arasteh: (12:49) Hi Bernie, hi Everybody,

  Brenda Brewer: (12:49) hello Kavouss.  I will call out to you in about 10 minutes

  Kavouss.Arasteh: (12:50) Ok and tks

  Jamie- CART support: (12:54) See the test captions ok?

  Brenda Brewer: (12:57) Yes, I see test captions

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (12:57) hello all

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (12:58) hi all

  Erika Mann: (12:58) Hi everyone!

  Chris Wilson: (13:01) I am x2992

  David McAuley: (13:02) I am #4154

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:03) Greg I have back to back calls this morning so I will be logging off a little before the top of the hour.... Apologise

  Brenda Brewer: (13:03) Thank you Chris and David!

  Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (13:03) Hi all - sorry for being late - today with some crappier PC (my personal one...)

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:04) I will keep a list

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:04) yes we do

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:05) meeting is scheduled for 60 minutes

  Steve DelBianco: (13:07) COngratulatiosn on new law firm role, Greg

  Steve DelBianco: (13:10) BC supported recommendations and selected Status Quo.  Is that not "Unqualified support"?

  Kavouss.Arasteh: (13:11) Greg, I too congradulate you for new position and wish  you all success

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:12) @Steve - we were working these very fast - will be glad to fix any you feel are incorrect

  Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (13:12) Greg you sound a bit muffled

  Steve DelBianco: (13:13) The BC comment also noted our disagreement with a minorty position

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:13) @Stevel - if you picked a specific option we considered it light green

  Steve DelBianco: (13:14) thanks, Bernie

  David McAuley: (13:14) status quo is CPH current circumstance

  David McAuley: (13:14) with ICANN

  Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (13:15) @David: what is CPH?

  David McAuley: (13:15) Contracted Party House - Registries and registrars, Jorge

  Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (13:16) thanks! (holidays have erased some acronyms from my mind :-))

  David McAuley: (13:16) I understand

  David McAuley: (13:16) happened to me too

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:16) Have no provided a tally of any options - but can do so if requested

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:17) would be useful

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:17) will do when we re-issue the documents after this call

  David McAuley: (13:21) hard to hear Kavouss

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:21) difficult to understand the words

  avri doria: (13:21) this is just first reading. correct?

  Jeff Neuman: (13:21) I cant hear Kavouss either

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:22) can you summarise in chat

  David McAuley: (13:22) fair enough, thanks Bernie

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:22) yes @Available

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:22) grrr @Avri

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:23) darn auto correct

  Brenda Brewer: (13:23) Please remember to state your name before speaking for the captioners.  Thank you.

  Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (13:24) some of the comments which go into the elements of the Menu may be considered further down the road when discussing the implementation of the Menu approach

  Kavouss.Arasteh: (13:25) I could favourably consider propsal from Italy ,This a preliminary reaction

  Kavouss.Arasteh: (13:25) this is....

  Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (13:26) sorry but today I have no mic...

  Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (13:30) interesting comments from the Board - as said before they seem to me relevant for the implementation of this rec

  Kavouss.Arasteh: (13:30) Iam in favour of the second para. from ICANN

  Steve DelBianco: (13:30) I welcome the board's input, but remember that ICANN  is not a CCWG Chartering Organization.

  Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (13:33) what is "file 13"?

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:34) euphamism for garbage can

  avri doria: (13:34)

  avri doria: (13:35) had to  look it up too.

  Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (13:35) yep - thx - but why "file 13"... I'll look it up... the comment really is full of love fro lawyers... but really ignores the legitimate needs of a global community

  David McAuley: (13:35) also known as the bin

  Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (13:35) thx, Avri!

  Kavouss.Arasteh: (13:35) I am not comfortable with this comments

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:36) @Jorge you may want to read pas comments on Accountability  in the past

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:36) past not pas

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:43) from Mr. Poole

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:44) Time Check - 15 minutes left in call

  Thiago Jardim: (13:44) I have one comment: the continuation of discussions about the subject in the sort proposed by the subgroup does not imply that we would be discussing changes of jurisdiction.

  David McAuley: (13:44) that has gone by fast Bernie

  Thiago Jardim: (13:45) There seems to be often a misunderstanding of what discussions about jurisdictional immunity really are.

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:45) @David - when having fun!

  Thiago Jardim: (13:45) They are not to be confused with discussions with a change of place of incorporation, for example.

  Thiago Jardim: (13:46) discussions on*

  David McAuley: (13:46) Could we save a few minutes at end to discuss process to get us to the place we need to be on March 9th as mentioned by Bernie

  Kavouss.Arasteh: (13:46) I am not comfortable with GNSO Rysg AND Rr SG

  Steve DelBianco: (13:47) note that the BC comment included those 3 "Stress Tests" I developed at Kavouss' request

  Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (13:47) some of the "general" comments seem to also refer to the recommendation on continuing discussions on jurisdiction

  Thiago Jardim: (13:48) France supports the continuation of discussions, in particular on the need to (and how to) obtain jurisdicitonal immunities in favour of ICANN

  Steve DelBianco: (13:49) +1 Jorge.  The BC comment has a paragrah that should be added as a row in "Continued Discussions" section

  Kavouss.Arasteh: (13:49) I have some sympathy to French comments

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:49) @Steve - send to me and I will include

  Thiago Jardim: (13:50) which page are we on the ppt?

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:52) thiago sec ond column at end of GENERAL

  David McAuley: (13:52) 7 weeks - pretty short

  Steve DelBianco: (13:52) @Bernie -- it is in he comment we submitted, on top of page 2

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:52) very short indeed

  David McAuley: (13:54) Thanks Bernie

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:55) signing off now to join my next call... 👋 bye

  David McAuley: (13:55) bye @CLO

  Kavouss.Arasteh: (13:57) The was interrupted

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:58) 3 MINUTES LEFT IN CALL

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:58) We are required to do so

  David McAuley: (13:59) Thanks Bernie

  Kavouss.Arasteh: (13:59) We need to be prudent and not hurry in any conclusions

  Kavouss.Arasteh: (14:00) I have no connection

  Kavouss.Arasteh: (14:01) Pls

  Kavouss.Arasteh: (14:01) Bernie

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:01) yes Kavouss

  Thiago Jardim: (14:01) Bye, thanks.

  Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (14:01) thanks and bye all!

  Thiago Jardim: (14:01) Nice to hear your voice again, Greg.

  David McAuley: (14:01) Thanks Greg, Bernie, and all

  Thiago Jardim: (14:01) Cheers :)

  Kavouss.Arasteh: (14:01) May you put page no. on the any doc. you send out

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:02) will do if possible (not in Excel)

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