Sub-group Members: Avri Doria, Becky Burr, Brian Winterfeldt, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, Chris Wilson, David McAuley, Erich Schweighofer, Erika Mann, Finn Petersen, Greg Shatan, Griffin Barnett, Jeff Neuman, Jorge Cancio, Kavouss Arasteh, Mary Uduma, Philip Corwin, Samantha Eisner, Steve DelBianco, Thiago Jardim, Tom Dale, Veni Markovski (21)
Observers/Guests: Luisa Paez, Taylor RW Bentley (2)
ICANN Org: Bernard Turcotte, Brenda Brewer, Patrick Dodson
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2. Review of Agenda (2 minutes)
3. Administration (1 minute)
3.1. Changes to SOIs
3.2. Identify Audio Only and Phone Number Participants
4. Analysis of comments (50 minutes)
4.1. Review Process
4.2. Review comments
5. AOB (5 Minutes)
6. Adjourn (next meeting 24 January 1900UTC)
Raw Captioning Notes
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- Staff update documents and distribute to the sub-group.
- Participants should read all comments prior to the next call on 24 January 1900 UTC.
Brenda Brewer: (1/18/2018 12:26) Good day all! Welcome to WS2 Jurisdiction Subgroup call #51 on 18 January 2018 @ 19:00 UTC.
Brenda Brewer: (12:26) When not speaking, please mute your phone by pressing *6 (star 6). To unmute, *6. This call is recorded.
Brenda Brewer: (12:27) Reminder to all, for captioning and transcription, please state your name before speaking and speak slowly.
Kavouss.Arasteh: (12:49) Hi Bernie, hi Everybody,
Brenda Brewer: (12:49) hello Kavouss. I will call out to you in about 10 minutes
Kavouss.Arasteh: (12:50) Ok and tks
Jamie- CART support: (12:54) See the test captions ok?
Brenda Brewer: (12:57) Yes, I see test captions
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (12:57) hello all
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (12:58) hi all
Erika Mann: (12:58) Hi everyone!
Chris Wilson: (13:01) I am x2992
David McAuley: (13:02) I am #4154
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:03) Greg I have back to back calls this morning so I will be logging off a little before the top of the hour.... Apologise
Brenda Brewer: (13:03) Thank you Chris and David!
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (13:03) Hi all - sorry for being late - today with some crappier PC (my personal one...)
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:04) I will keep a list
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:04) yes we do
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:05) meeting is scheduled for 60 minutes
Steve DelBianco: (13:07) COngratulatiosn on new law firm role, Greg
Steve DelBianco: (13:10) BC supported recommendations and selected Status Quo. Is that not "Unqualified support"?
Kavouss.Arasteh: (13:11) Greg, I too congradulate you for new position and wish you all success
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:12) @Steve - we were working these very fast - will be glad to fix any you feel are incorrect
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (13:12) Greg you sound a bit muffled
Steve DelBianco: (13:13) The BC comment also noted our disagreement with a minorty position
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:13) @Stevel - if you picked a specific option we considered it light green
Steve DelBianco: (13:14) thanks, Bernie
David McAuley: (13:14) status quo is CPH current circumstance
David McAuley: (13:14) with ICANN
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (13:15) @David: what is CPH?
David McAuley: (13:15) Contracted Party House - Registries and registrars, Jorge
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (13:16) thanks! (holidays have erased some acronyms from my mind :-))
David McAuley: (13:16) I understand
David McAuley: (13:16) happened to me too
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:16) Have no provided a tally of any options - but can do so if requested
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:17) would be useful
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:17) will do when we re-issue the documents after this call
David McAuley: (13:21) hard to hear Kavouss
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:21) difficult to understand the words
avri doria: (13:21) this is just first reading. correct?
Jeff Neuman: (13:21) I cant hear Kavouss either
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:22) can you summarise in chat
David McAuley: (13:22) fair enough, thanks Bernie
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:22) yes @Available
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:22) grrr @Avri
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:23) darn auto correct
Brenda Brewer: (13:23) Please remember to state your name before speaking for the captioners. Thank you.
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (13:24) some of the comments which go into the elements of the Menu may be considered further down the road when discussing the implementation of the Menu approach
Kavouss.Arasteh: (13:25) I could favourably consider propsal from Italy ,This a preliminary reaction
Kavouss.Arasteh: (13:25) this is....
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (13:26) sorry but today I have no mic...
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (13:30) interesting comments from the Board - as said before they seem to me relevant for the implementation of this rec
Kavouss.Arasteh: (13:30) Iam in favour of the second para. from ICANN
Steve DelBianco: (13:30) I welcome the board's input, but remember that ICANN is not a CCWG Chartering Organization.
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (13:33) what is "file 13"?
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:34) euphamism for garbage can
avri doria: (13:34) https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_File-5F13&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=kbiQDH54980u4nTPfwdloDLY6-6F24x0ArAvhdeDvvc&m=_sQA0UyYOTTdq3RBY-nsWUTYhKoA41loly_gtdmnQzg&s=X2ychywlfirNbleH7qhrpu-gwYxXxZZV_ODLo-CLg0M&e=
avri doria: (13:35) had to look it up too.
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (13:35) yep - thx - but why "file 13"... I'll look it up... the comment really is full of love fro lawyers... but really ignores the legitimate needs of a global community
David McAuley: (13:35) also known as the bin
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (13:35) thx, Avri!
Kavouss.Arasteh: (13:35) I am not comfortable with this comments
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:36) @Jorge you may want to read pas comments on Accountability in the past
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:36) past not pas
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:43) from Mr. Poole
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:44) Time Check - 15 minutes left in call
Thiago Jardim: (13:44) I have one comment: the continuation of discussions about the subject in the sort proposed by the subgroup does not imply that we would be discussing changes of jurisdiction.
David McAuley: (13:44) that has gone by fast Bernie
Thiago Jardim: (13:45) There seems to be often a misunderstanding of what discussions about jurisdictional immunity really are.
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:45) @David - when having fun!
Thiago Jardim: (13:45) They are not to be confused with discussions with a change of place of incorporation, for example.
Thiago Jardim: (13:46) discussions on*
David McAuley: (13:46) Could we save a few minutes at end to discuss process to get us to the place we need to be on March 9th as mentioned by Bernie
Kavouss.Arasteh: (13:46) I am not comfortable with GNSO Rysg AND Rr SG
Steve DelBianco: (13:47) note that the BC comment included those 3 "Stress Tests" I developed at Kavouss' request
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (13:47) some of the "general" comments seem to also refer to the recommendation on continuing discussions on jurisdiction
Thiago Jardim: (13:48) France supports the continuation of discussions, in particular on the need to (and how to) obtain jurisdicitonal immunities in favour of ICANN
Steve DelBianco: (13:49) +1 Jorge. The BC comment has a paragrah that should be added as a row in "Continued Discussions" section
Kavouss.Arasteh: (13:49) I have some sympathy to French comments
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:49) @Steve - send to me and I will include
Thiago Jardim: (13:50) which page are we on the ppt?
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:52) thiago sec ond column at end of GENERAL
David McAuley: (13:52) 7 weeks - pretty short
Steve DelBianco: (13:52) @Bernie -- it is in he comment we submitted, on top of page 2
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:52) very short indeed
David McAuley: (13:54) Thanks Bernie
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:55) signing off now to join my next call... ð bye
David McAuley: (13:55) bye @CLO
Kavouss.Arasteh: (13:57) The was interrupted
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:58) 3 MINUTES LEFT IN CALL
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:58) We are required to do so
David McAuley: (13:59) Thanks Bernie
Kavouss.Arasteh: (13:59) We need to be prudent and not hurry in any conclusions
Kavouss.Arasteh: (14:00) I have no connection
Kavouss.Arasteh: (14:01) Pls
Kavouss.Arasteh: (14:01) Bernie
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:01) yes Kavouss
Thiago Jardim: (14:01) Bye, thanks.
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (14:01) thanks and bye all!
Thiago Jardim: (14:01) Nice to hear your voice again, Greg.
David McAuley: (14:01) Thanks Greg, Bernie, and all
Thiago Jardim: (14:01) Cheers :)
Kavouss.Arasteh: (14:01) May you put page no. on the any doc. you send out
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:02) will do if possible (not in Excel)