Sub-group Members:   Cheryl Langdon-Orr, David McAuley, Erich Schweighofer, Glenn McKnight, Griffin Barnett, Herb Waye, Isabel Rutherfurd, Janet Shih Hajek, Kavouss Arasteh, Matthew Shears, Niels ten Oever, Robin Gross, Tatiana Tropina   (13)

Observers/Guests:  Collin Kurre, Mark Carvell   (2)

ICANN Org:  Bernard Turcotte, Brenda Brewer, Elizabeth Andrews, Kimberly Carlson

Apologies:   Bastiaan Goslings, Greg Shatan,  Brett Schaefer, Markus Kummer, Anne Aikman-Scalese, Rudi Daniel


 ** If your name is missing from attendance or apology, please send note to **




1. Administrivia Roll call, absentees, SoIs, etc

2. Review proposed change by drafting team

3. Discussion approach to statement to CCWG

4. AOB


Raw Caption Notes

Disclaimer:  This rough edit transcript, which may contain missing, misspelled or paraphrased words, is only provided for your immediate review and is not certified as verbatim and is not to be cited in any way. 


  • The modifications proposed by the drafting team were not supported and as such are rejected. The original text used in the public consultation will be used.

Action Items:

  • NTO and Staff will draft a transmission note to the CCWG-Accountability-WS2 for submitting the final report for a first reading including the tracking of decisions vs comments made in the public consultation.


  • (none)

Chat Transcript

  Brenda Brewer: (8/15/2017 13:33) Good day and welcome to WS2 Human Rights Subgroup Meeting #30 on 15 August 2017 @ 19:00 UTC!

  Brenda Brewer: (13:33) If you are not speaking, please mute your phone by pressing *6 (star 6).  This call is recorded.

  Brenda Brewer: (13:33) Reminder to all, please speak slowly and state your name before speaking for the Captioner.  Thank you!

  kavouss Arasteh: (13:48) Dear Faithful to CCWG, bREDA

  Brenda Brewer: (13:48) Hello Kavouss!

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:54) Hello all

  Glenn McKnight: (13:56) HI

  Glenn McKnight: (13:56) I don't hear anything

  Glenn McKnight: (13:56) checking speakers etc

  Glenn McKnight: (13:58) no sound

  Glenn McKnight: (13:58) going to phone in via adigo

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:59) brenda am I still on dial out or will I connect now?

  d: (13:59) d = David McAuley, dialing in

  Brenda Brewer: (13:59) Calling you now Cheryl

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:59) thx

  Glenn McKnight: (14:00) muted

  Glenn McKnight: (14:00) Anyone going to the IETF meeting in Singapore I know that Niels did a session last session

  Glenn McKnight: (14:00) I am muted

  Tatiana Tropina: (14:00) Hi all

  Glenn McKnight: (14:01) hi all

  Glenn McKnight: (14:01) wow lots of meetings

  Tatiana Tropina: (14:01) For the record as there was a dicsussion as to which constituency I am - I am NCUC.

  Glenn McKnight: (14:01) @all i looked at the IGF Geneva and the most points for sessions was on Human Rights

  Tatiana Tropina: (14:02) we have apologies from Anne, too

  Tatiana Tropina: (14:02) (they just arrived to the list)

  Glenn McKnight: (14:03) no update

  Niels ten Oever: (14:04)


  kavouss Arasteh: (14:13) Sorry for CAP

  kavouss Arasteh: (14:15) niels, May I request that people be kindly short in their intervention.

  kavouss Arasteh: (14:15) sOME PEOPLR TALED MORE THAN 5 MINTS

  kavouss Arasteh: (14:15) wEé

  kavouss Arasteh: (14:15) LL PREPARED, wELL OCOORDINATED

  Tatiana Tropina: (14:18) well I was asked to explain the reasons behind the drafting team's work. I am sorry if it took longer.

  Herb Waye Ombuds: (14:18) Must step away for 5 mintutes... brb


  Tatiana Tropina: (14:19) I also never heard about 5 monutes rule for this group. Niels if this rule exists could you please be so kind to announce this at the beginning of each call. Thank you very much.

  Tatiana Tropina: (14:19) Niels could you please clarify about 5 minutes rule so we end this conversaiton about timing?

  kavouss Arasteh: (14:20) Yes but we could not monopolize the floorn

  Glenn McKnight: (14:21) perhaps a timer

  Glenn McKnight: (14:22) Why is HRIA not spelt out

  Collin Kurre: (14:22) ^+1

  Niels ten Oever: (14:22) Because it is spelled out earlier in the considerations document

  kavouss Arasteh: (14:24) Sorry it is not against anybody<

  kavouss Arasteh: (14:24)  I ONLY ASKED TO ESTABLISH THE 5B MINTS RULES

  kavouss Arasteh: (14:24) nO PARTICULéAR OBJECTIVE

  Glenn McKnight: (14:25) i agree the rules should be clear  and deployed  equally

  Tatiana Tropina: (14:25) You did ask to establish it, you were imposing it.

  kavouss Arasteh: (14:25) wE ARE ALL EQUAL

  Tatiana Tropina: (14:25) Niels, I would like a clarification if the rule exists. Thanks.

  kavouss Arasteh: (14:25) no differtence between any of us

  Glenn McKnight: (14:25) Yes the chair has more access to the mic but not during an open mic

  Tatiana Tropina: (14:26) The 5 minutes rule has not been established yet but I got bashed for speaking for more than 5 minutes already. I am considering submitting a complaint because there was a reference to me. I demand clarification if the rule existed before I got bashed.

  Herb Waye Ombuds: (14:26) gotta run... violent thunder storms rolling through power flickering, shutting down electronics... may be back.

  Glenn McKnight: (14:27) Nothing here Herb in Southern Ontario

  Herb Waye Ombuds: (14:27) lucky... enjoy, monsoon here...

  David McAuley: (14:28) on mute?

  kavouss Arasteh: (14:28) iAM INTERUPPTED

  kavouss Arasteh: (14:28) mY LINE IS INTERUUPTED

  David McAuley: (14:28) yes

  kavouss Arasteh: (14:28) iHEAR YOU WELL

  kavouss Arasteh: (14:29) sORRY AGAIN FOR CAP

  David McAuley: (14:30) Thanks Cheryl

  Tatiana Tropina: (14:30) I was basically asked to give the reasons behind the document and as a feedback I got bashed. This is unacceptable. I wish the chair would make a direct intervention.

  Tatiana Tropina: (14:30) What is initial text? FoI? I don't have problems with this.

  David McAuley: (14:31) I agree

  Tatiana Tropina: (14:31) I am fine with the text that was before public comments. I am not fine with the proposed text on the top of this page as I have no real idea where it came from. But initial text is ok.

  Tatiana Tropina: (14:31) oh the page disappeared

  Tatiana Tropina: (14:32) I agree with going back to initial text. So my support.

  Niels ten Oever: (14:33) Thanks Tatiana

  David McAuley: (14:34) That makes sense

  Matthew Shears: (14:34) agree

  kavouss Arasteh: (14:34) iSEE mARLK carwell on the list

  Tatiana Tropina: (14:35) can we combine the two options?

  Tatiana Tropina: (14:35) you and Bernie in consultation with teh drafting team?

  David McAuley: (14:36) I can not participate in drafting team this coming week - on a special project taking most of my time

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:36) please do continue Nielsen

  Mark Carvell UK GAC rep: (14:36) I'm observer listening - I would liek to consult internally and with Brazil and  Switzerland.

  David McAuley: (14:36) no objection

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:37) agree

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:37) no

  Tatiana Tropina: (14:38) Really? no supremacy? This is why I was personally attacked for speaking more than 5 min? Thanks of course. But I am still considering the complaint.

  kavouss Arasteh: (14:38) Sorry IT WAS NOT ARTTACK

  kavouss Arasteh: (14:38) pls acceopt that

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:38) bye for now then

  David McAuley: (14:38) Thanks Niels and Bernie and Brenda and all, good bye

  Glenn McKnight: (14:38) bye

  Tatiana Tropina: (14:38) The ombudsman will decide if it was.

  Tatiana Tropina: (14:38) bye all

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