Sub-group Members: Alan Greegberg, Andreea Brambilla, Avri Doria, Bartlett Morgan, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, Christopher Wilkinson, David McAuley, Erich Schweighofer, Farzaneh Badii, Finn Petersen, Herb Waye, Irene Borissova, Kavouss Arasteh, Milton Mueller, Philip Corwin, Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix, Steve DelBianco, Tatiana Tropina Thiago Jardim, Wale Bakare
Staff: Bernard Turcotte, Brenda Brewer
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2. Review of Agenda (2 minutes)
3. Administration (1 minute)
3.1. Changes to SOIs
3.2. Identify Audio Only and Phone Number Participants
4. Review of decisions and action items from last call (5 minutes)
4.1.1. Invite respondents to the questionnaire to the Jurisdiction sub-group meeting where the analysis of their response is being presented for comments on the analysis (See 5.1 below)
4.2. Action Items:
4.2.1. Staff to reach out to respondents as per decision to invite respondents to the jurisdiction questionnaire (See 5.1 below)
5. Questionnaire (30 minutes)
5.1. Discuss whether respondents should be offered an opportunity to respond to analysis of their comments, either by email or as a guest on a Subgroup call.
5.2. Review of Sign-Up Sheet at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Q948Ib31-Hu9Ro3_k9uVYBTwm72UDmkMvUWwU_XyHAI/edit?usp=sharing.
5.3. To be discussed on May 30 call:
5.3.1. Response of Just Net Coalition
5.3.2. Analysis of very short responses (Greg Shatan)
5.3.3. Response of Ministry of Telecom and Mass Communications of the Russian Federation (Tatiana Tropina).
5.3.4. Response of Farzaneh Badii - Internet Governance Project (USA) (Tatiana Tropina)
6. Review of ICANN Litigation (15 Minutes)
6.1. Review sign-up sheet: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oo9oDJuuxFz1UUNaBfHeor7HPhJ5XcRHFTq3hjRltOM/edit?usp=sharing
6.2. Schreiber v. Dunabin (Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix)
6.3. Bord v. Banco de Chile (Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix)
6.4. Commercial Connect v. ICANN (Greg Shatan)
8. Meetings Remaining Before ICANN59
- Thursday 8 June 1300 UTC
- Thursday 15 June 0500 UTC
- Tuesday 20 June 1900 UTC
Raw Captioning Notes
Please note that these are the unofficial transcript. Official transcript will be posted 2-3 days after the call
- Review decision to invite respondents to call. Advise respondents once their response has been presented and point them to reference material. If after reviewing this material the respondents wish to clarify or correct any elements with the sub-group they will be invited to contact the sub-group to schedule their participation in a call.
- Staff to prepare form letter/email for rapporteur wrt to decision.
- Response of Just Net Coalition
- Response of Ministry of Telecom and Mass Communications of the Russian Federation (Tatiana Tropina)
- IGP Jurisdiction Q response analysis
Brenda Brewer:Good day all and welcome to Jurisdiction Subgroup Meeting #33 on 30 May 2017 @ 19:00 UTC!
Brenda Brewer:If you are not speaking, please mute your phone by pressing *6 (star 6). To unmute press *6. This call is recorded.
Brenda Brewer:Reminder to all, please state your name before speaking for the Captioner. Thank you!
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:hello all
David McAuley:i am 3200
Brenda Brewer:Thank you, David.
Philip Corwin:I am 5316
Brenda Brewer:Thank you, Philip
Tatiana Tropina:Hi all - the dial out doesn't work, it says all the time "please press 1 and I'll connect you"
Tatiana Tropina:rebooting my phone didn't help
Brenda Brewer:I am happy to cal you Tatiana...please private message me your phone number
Tatiana Tropina:Brenda, thanks a lot! Will do now
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) 2:welcome!!!
Wale Bakare:Hi all
Farzaneh Badii:welcome policy people!
Tatiana Tropina:It was me :)
Philip Corwin:Correction: I stated I was 5316 and I have always been Corwin, not Cohen.
Tatiana Tropina:I am 3791
Milton Mueller::-D I am not a number. I am a human being
Tatiana Tropina:Milton. Wait till the adobe dial out doesn't work for you, it's a question of time :)
Milton Mueller:can you be specific about which responses you are talking about, Kavouss?
Thiago Jardim:I support inviting people to meetings, but some may not be able to attend, so they should be given an opportunity to comment via email
Herb Waye Ombuds:Sorry for being late, greetings everyone
Tatiana Tropina:yes, we don't have so many responses
Tatiana Tropina:we can really just fine tune it for any case
Tatiana Tropina:David, I actually agree that we don't need to kind of inform them about everything
Tatiana Tropina:I am also dislike email
Tatiana Tropina:eother they attend the call or not.
Tatiana Tropina:I won't forward them the evaluation.
Christopher Wilkinson (CW):I would favour inviting the respondents to particiate in a conference call should they wish to do so. (Not more than 3 or 4 respondents in any one call.)
Tatiana Tropina:Some of the respondents are the participants of this group anyway :)
Tatiana Tropina:I would suggest inviting them if they want only when particular topic that they brought is discussed
Kavouss.Arasteh:Yes Ttiana, but even those whoare ember we need to eek their views
Milton Mueller:Greg, would we need to pre-allocate time in future meeting agendas for these responses?
David McAuley:we would need time limits and not invite a re-statement but a response to the review
Tatiana Tropina:but am against sending the evaluations, etc
Kavouss.Arasteh:YOU HAVE ONE VIEW ONLY
Milton Mueller:5 ticks
Tatiana Tropina:I had red :)
Kavouss.Arasteh:We need to reach an understandinfg that we should allow the respondent to reactm
Tatiana Tropina:I will keep my cross as a peacefull protest.
Milton Mueller:we all have our crosses to carry
Tatiana Tropina:I certainly still caryy mine :)
Kavouss.Arasteh:We should be open and transparent
Tatiana Tropina:sorry fo typos.
Milton Mueller:Easter is over, though
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:Time Check - 30 minutes left in call
Milton Mueller:The JNC response fundamentally confuses jurisdiction over gTLDs with jurisdiction over ICANN
David McAuley:agree with Greg about immunity - we especially need the empowered community to be able to enforce remedies
Milton Mueller:can we move on to the other cases?
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:Time Check - 20 minutes left in call
Milton Mueller:right, we are using up all our time on one case
Kavouss.Arasteh:Greg, pls kindly apply certain rules to the intervention such as,
avri doria:immunity is not necessarily blanket immunity.
Tatiana Tropina:I hope am able to present two - am in an airplane next week dyring the call (landing in the middle of the call, may be still able to join but unlikely)
Kavouss.Arasteh:No one could intervene more than 3 times on a given subject
Kavouss.Arasteh:No intervention should exceed three mints
Tatiana Tropina:except the response analysis :) might take a little bit longer
Kavouss.Arasteh:If rapporteur wish to speal as participant he or she needs to ask to be in thequeue
Greg Shatan:Tatiana will go next. I will hold my other cases for next week.
Kavouss.Arasteh:Tatiana , certainly it may take several mints
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:Tatiana - speak a little slower for captioning
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:Thanks
Tatiana Tropina:I am so sorry for speaking quickly :(
Wale Bakare:thank you, Tatiana for the presentation
Tatiana Tropina:it's because I am missing next call :(
Tatiana Tropina:OFAC *shall* be considered by this subgroup
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:Time check - 8 minutes left in call
Tatiana Tropina:I don't reject - I recommend to consider them all
Milton Mueller:3 minutes are up, Kavouss
Tatiana Tropina:I just expressed my personal opinion that it might be hard - but in my evaluation I recommend to consider and discuss all of them
Thiago Jardim:I suppose we will have to leave the debate on the different issues raised by the two responses for our next meeting
Wale Bakare:that is true
Greg Shatan:Since Tatiana will not be on the call, that would not be ideal. I suggest we take them up on the list.
David McAuley:I will have to miss next call as well, send apologies now
Wale Bakare:I think we can continue this discussion on the mailing list
Kavouss.Arasteh:Greg, I think the issue of OFAC warrant a serious discussion
Milton Mueller:Yes, agree
Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix:We can take the two cases I submitted during a later call; they don't raise any actual issues. However I cant make it to next call, apologies in advance.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) 2:thanks Tatiana agree there is a lot to discuss
Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix:And I do agree on sanctions as well!
Tatiana Tropina:I will try to join in the middle of the next call - if I land in time - I will be changing flight while on the call
Milton Mueller:Good suggestion, Thiago
Tatiana Tropina:no you can discuss them defilitely
Tatiana Tropina:and you have IGP who brought them
Tatiana Tropina:and you can invite the Russian ministry :)
Thiago Jardim:Many thanks Tatiana
avri doria:have another call starting now. bye
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) 2:thanks everyone bye for now...
Tatiana Tropina:OFAC requires a very serious discussion
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) 2:also off to another ICANN call
Tatiana Tropina:we can invite them to attend the call
Thiago Jardim:Perhaps we should consecrate a whole call for just the problem of sanctions,
Erich Schweighofer:FATF is everywhere, not only in the U.S.
Thiago Jardim:and another for the other problem
Tatiana Tropina:that would be cool (two weeks time)
Tatiana Tropina:yes, GoDaddy and others
Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix:I can't make it to next weeks call Greg unfortunately. You can push my cases to later though, no issue.
Tatiana Tropina:thanks you all :) sorry again for speaking quickly :)
Herb Waye Ombuds:All the best everyone...
Erich Schweighofer:Servus from Vienna
Wale Bakare:Thanks, bye all
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:bye all
Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix:bye bye all
Tatiana Tropina:bye all!
David McAuley:thanks all, bye
Bartlett Morgan:by all
Greg Shatan:Bye all.