Sub-group Members: Alan Greenberg, Avri Doria, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, Julf Helsingius, Lori Schulman.
Staff: Bernard Turcotte, Yvette Guigneaux. (Tina - captioner)
Apologies: Lito Ibarra, Herb Waye.
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2. Changes to SOI
3. Discussion of ASO position on guidelines
Raw Captioning Notes
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- Lori to reach out to Jason Schiller regarding his comment to arrange a meeting ASAP wrt ASO concerns. Once a date is set advise and invite the sub-group.
- LS – reach out to Jason Schiller regarding his comment to arrange a meeting ASAP wrt ASO concerns
- AG – Review draft recommendation vs potential ASO concerns.
Yvette Guigneaux: Guidelines for Good Faith | Meeting #13 | 31 May 2017 @ 19: 00 UTC!
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Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: Hello all
Julf Helsingius: lots of empty space
Lori Schulman: It is already with MP3
Yvette Guigneaux: i got one from Lito
avri doria: i have got to say i do not feel rather mighty today.
avri doria: you all might be mighty, but not me
Alan Greenberg: Sorry to be a mite late
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: we will
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): seems like a good plan to interact with the ASO...
Alan Greenberg: I don't recall saying I had specific tweeking, but I think I did say that once we have sort of finished, we should give people a bit of time to read through the final one and comment.
Alan Greenberg: I did say that the comment from the ASO person had some merit in terms of how we referred to the group I think. Need to review to refresh my thoughts.
avri doria: wouldn't a carve out require full group involvement. and would WS1 allow for such a carve out with major effort?
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: carve out just for Good faith - not about opting out of the EC
Alan Greenberg: WE can carve out for ASO, but then they need to consider liability, because we cannot alter the terms of the infdemnification.
avri doria: did not mean to call them not level headed, and not do i accept that i am not being level headed, so not sure where the reference to level headed comes in.
Julf Helsingius: The ASO is not trying to be difficult - it is just that the "cosntituency" model doesn't really work for the ASO
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: @Julf - agree
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: Lets not use that word - it was suggested to me
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: @ cheryl re ST = ;-)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): that would be a good way forward
Lori Schulman: We have consensus at to "carve out"
avri doria: the other two are not self similar either
Lori Schulman: what is the rest of the world name?
avri doria: and no AC is like any other AC, or is like any of the SO. each is different, each has a different model
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): exactly Avri
Julf Helsingius: But the ASO is in many ways more different than the others
Alan Greenberg: @yes, we are all different, but in the case of the ASO, it is REALLY out of the model.
Alan Greenberg: I agree with Bernie not asking them to read-line.
avri doria: Julf, I don't really accept that.
Alan Greenberg: Much of their problem is not with our guidelines, but the overall concept.
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: High level suggestions are fine
Alan Greenberg: I suggest wI re-identify the problem I saw before we approach them.
Julf Helsingius: If ICANN went away today, the numbers peopel would happily keep doing what they have always been doing
avri doria: as went the PSO so goes the ASO?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): that applies to the ccNSO as well
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: Lets get the meeting arranged ASAP
avri doria: just in case we are thowing terms around, i am noither upset nor nervous, not do i have a tmperature.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): YES
Alan Greenberg: Lots of technical people spend a LOT of their time with contracts!
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: The ASO is quite proficient at these types of documents
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): my yes was to Bernie
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: Not carlos - Jason directly
avri doria: RIRs "carved out " of the IANA governance, I would hope this is not the other side of the coin.
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: Next calls are 7 and 14th
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: 7th 1900UTC
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: we also have onne on 21 June
avri doria: i am never critical but will try to attend
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): I can do up to 3 calls at once but prefer only 2
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): especially in winter and at 0500
avri doria: i can only do 2.
avri doria: get really confused at 3
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): my confusion level is probably normal : -)
avri doria: something about only haviing 2 ears. and happy automn
Yvette Guigneaux: LOL
avri doria: and it is another month till wither winter or summer
Lori Schulman: ciao
Yvette Guigneaux: hand up from Bernie