Sub-group Members:  Alan Greenberg, Avri Doria, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, Julf Helsingius, Lori Schulman.

Staff:  Bernard Turcotte, Yvette Guigneaux.  (Tina - captioner)

Apologies:  Lito Ibarra, Herb Waye.

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1. Attendance

2. Changes to SOI

3. Discussion of ASO position on guidelines

4. AOB

Raw Captioning Notes

Please note that these are the unofficial transcript. Official transcript will be posted 2-3 days after the call


  • Lori to reach out to Jason Schiller regarding his comment to arrange a meeting ASAP wrt ASO concerns. Once a date is set advise and invite the sub-group.

Action Items:

  • LS – reach out to Jason Schiller regarding his comment to arrange a meeting ASAP wrt ASO concerns
  • AG – Review draft recommendation vs potential ASO concerns.


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Documents Presented


Chat Transcript

  Yvette Guigneaux: Guidelines for Good Faith | Meeting #13 | 31 May 2017 @ 19: 00 UTC!

  Yvette Guigneaux: If you are not speaking, please mute your phone by pressing *6 (star 6).  To unmute press *6.  This call is recorded.

  Yvette Guigneaux: Reminder to all, please state your name before speaking for the Captioner. 

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: Hello all

  Julf Helsingius: lots of empty space

  Lori Schulman: It is already with MP3

  Yvette Guigneaux: i got one from Lito

  avri doria: i have got to say i do not feel rather mighty today.

  avri doria: you all might be mighty, but not me

  Alan Greenberg: Sorry to be a mite late

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: we will

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): seems like a good plan to interact with the ASO...

  Alan Greenberg: I don't recall saying I had specific tweeking, but I think I did say that once we have sort of finished, we should give people a bit of time to read through the final one and comment.

  Alan Greenberg: I did say that the comment from the ASO person had some merit in terms of how we referred to the group I think. Need to review to refresh my thoughts.

  avri doria: wouldn't a carve out require full group involvement.  and would WS1 allow for such a carve out with major effort?

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: carve out just for Good faith - not about opting out of the EC

  Alan Greenberg: WE can carve out for ASO, but then they need to consider liability, because we cannot alter the terms of the infdemnification.

  avri doria: did not mean to call them not level headed, and not do i accept that i am not being level headed, so not sure where the reference to level headed comes in.

  Julf Helsingius: The ASO is not trying to be difficult - it is just that the "cosntituency" model doesn't really work for the ASO

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: @Julf - agree

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: Lets not use that word - it was suggested to me

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: @ cheryl re ST =  ;-)

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): that would be a good way forward

  Lori Schulman: We have consensus at to "carve out"

  avri doria: the other two are not self similar either

  Lori Schulman: what is the rest of the world name?

  avri doria: and no AC is like any other AC, or is like any of the SO.  each is different, each has a different model

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): exactly Avri

  Julf Helsingius: But the ASO is in many ways more different than the others

  Alan Greenberg: @yes, we are all different, but in the case of the ASO, it is REALLY out of the model.

  Alan Greenberg: I agree with Bernie not asking them to read-line.

  avri doria: Julf, I don't really accept that.

  Alan Greenberg: Much of their problem is not with our guidelines, but the overall concept.

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: High level  suggestions are fine

  Alan Greenberg: I suggest wI re-identify the problem I saw before we approach them.

  Julf Helsingius: If ICANN went away today, the numbers peopel would happily keep doing what they have always been doing

  avri doria: as went the PSO so goes the ASO?

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): that applies to the ccNSO  as well

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: Lets get the meeting arranged ASAP

  avri doria: just in case we are thowing terms around, i am noither upset nor nervous, not do i have a tmperature.

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): YES

  Alan Greenberg: Lots of technical people spend a LOT of their time with contracts!

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: The ASO is quite proficient at these types of documents

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): my yes was to Bernie

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: Not carlos - Jason directly

  avri doria: RIRs "carved out " of the IANA governance, I would hope this is not the other side of the coin.

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: Next calls are 7 and 14th

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: 7th 1900UTC

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: we also have onne on 21 June

  avri doria: i am never critical but will try to attend

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): I can do up to 3 calls at once but prefer only 2

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): especially in winter and at 0500

  avri doria: i can only do 2.

  avri doria: get really confused at 3

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): my confusion level is probably normal : -)

  avri doria: something about only haviing 2 ears. and happy automn

  Yvette Guigneaux: LOL

  avri doria: and it is another month till wither winter or summer

  Lori Schulman: ciao

  Yvette Guigneaux: hand up from Bernie

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