Sub-group Members:   Anne Aikman-Scalese, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, David McAuley, Greg Shatan, Gifffin Barnett, Herb Waye, Isabel Rutherfurd, John Laprise, Markus Kummer, Niels ten Oever   (10)

Observers/Guests:  Mark Carvell

Staff:  Bernie Turcotte, Brenda Brewer, Ergys Ramaj

Apologies:  Avri Doria


 ** If your name is missing from attendance or apology, please send note to **




1. Administriva including Roll call, absentees, SOI, etc

2. Review of Public Comments

3. AOB


Raw Captioning Notes

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Action Items:

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  • Participants asked to read the complete comments from the governments of  Brazil, Switzerland and the UK for further discussions at the next meeting.

Chat Transcript

  Brenda Brewer: (7/18/2017 13:40) Welcome to Human Rights Subgroup Meeting #26 on 18 July 2017 @ 19:00 UTC!

  Brenda Brewer: (13:40) If you are not speaking, please mute your phone by pressing *6 (star 6).  This call is recorded.

  Brenda Brewer: (13:41) Reminder to all, please speak slowly and state your name before speaking for the Captioner.  Thank you!

  Marie Fresch: (13:56) I can hear the audio

  Marie Fresch: (13:56) thank you

  Jamie- CART support: (13:57) who will the main speaker be?

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:57) Hello all

  Niels ten Oever: (13:57) Me

  Jamie- CART support: (13:58) thank you

  Niels ten Oever: (13:58) Hi all

  Markus Kummer: (13:58) Hi all

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:58) 2 minute warning is clear and lound

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:59) loud

  Niels ten Oever: (13:59) Must me my enthusiasm ;)

  Niels ten Oever: (13:59) will put volume a bit lower

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:59) At least we have our 5 people so the 55 rule is met

  David McAuley: (13:59) I am #3200

  Brenda Brewer: (14:00) Thank you, David!

  David McAuley: (14:00) I have a summer intern with me, Jonathan Peyster, and a new Verisign colleague, Nik Smith

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:00) welcome all

  David McAuley: (14:05) please mute

  David McAuley: (14:05) agree with that, Niels

  Anne Aikman-Scalese: (14:06) Please unmute me. I have muted my own phone.

  Brenda Brewer: (14:06) umnuted, Anne.

  Anne Aikman-Scalese: (14:06) Thanks Brenda.

  Brenda Brewer: (14:07) You're welcome.

  Brenda Brewer: (14:07) For the record, no answer to Kavouss' dial out.

  Niels ten Oever: (14:07)

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:08) clarification would be appreciated and useful

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:08) Te

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:09) this is an SSAC  not ALAC comment... yes

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:09) Corrected to SSAc in master document

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:10) the Bernie

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:10) Niels please slow down a bit for the captioning

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:17) makes sense Anne...  so for the attention of the full ccwg

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:24) old

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:28) Balancing

  David McAuley: (14:28) Greg is saying better what I meant to say

  Mark Carvell: (14:30) Agree seems beyond WG remit as it is a fundamental position about how core values may interact so onevalue might  override another. Suggest Brazil raises this in anotherICANN  forum.

  Greg Shatan: (14:31) This would also open up a Pandora's Box of issues about which core value is more important, what aspect of ICANN's mission is more "core", etc., etc.

  David McAuley: (14:34) The 'customary' language would undercut bylaw language

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:41) time Check - 19 minutes left in the call

  Herb Waye Ombuds: (14:42) Sorry for the late arrival... Hay season, when the farmer says bring me a wagon one drops everything and brings the hay wagon...

  Anne Aikman-Scalese: (14:46) This is tough because ICANN is not a "business".  And there are limitations in the approved ByLaw relating to "no obligation beyond applicable law."  I wonder whether ICANN should simply be advisingg  businesses with which it interacts of the Ruggie Principles  and/or according extra points for an application that agrees to  implement Ruggie.  But in fact these are also issues of implementation, as is the idea of an HRIA.

  Mark Carvell: (14:46) Swiss and UK governments are in line on Ruggie - when it comes to GAC preparing its response as CO can expect this discussion to be re-visited.

  David McAuley: (14:47) hard to hear

  Greg Shatan: (14:47) +1 David

  David McAuley: (14:47) better

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:47) agreed

  David McAuley: (14:49) suggest we stick to bylaw language

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:49) yep

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:50) Time Check - 10 minutes left in call

  David McAuley: (14:51) Greg is right - the challenged language is in the bylaw,

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:55) Note - Next meeting of the HR group is Tuesday 25 July 1900UTC

  Greg Shatan: (14:56) Need to look back at our documents to weigh these comments.

  Herb Waye Ombuds: (14:57) Bye all

  Anne Aikman-Scalese: (14:57) THank you.

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:57) bye all

  David McAuley: (14:57) Thanks Niels, all bye

  Greg Shatan: (14:57) bye!

  Mark Carvell: (14:57) Thanks for careful consideration. Bye!

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