Sub-group Members: Anne Aikman-Scalese, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, David McAuley, Greg Shatan, Gifffin Barnett, Herb Waye, Isabel Rutherfurd, John Laprise, Markus Kummer, Niels ten Oever (10)
Observers/Guests: Mark Carvell
Staff: Bernie Turcotte, Brenda Brewer, Ergys Ramaj
Apologies: Avri Doria
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1. Administriva including Roll call, absentees, SOI, etc
2. Review of Public Comments
Raw Captioning Notes
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- Participants asked to read the complete comments from the governments of Brazil, Switzerland and the UK for further discussions at the next meeting.
Brenda Brewer: (7/18/2017 13:40) Welcome to Human Rights Subgroup Meeting #26 on 18 July 2017 @ 19:00 UTC!
Brenda Brewer: (13:40) If you are not speaking, please mute your phone by pressing *6 (star 6). This call is recorded.
Brenda Brewer: (13:41) Reminder to all, please speak slowly and state your name before speaking for the Captioner. Thank you!
Marie Fresch: (13:56) I can hear the audio
Marie Fresch: (13:56) thank you
Jamie- CART support: (13:57) who will the main speaker be?
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:57) Hello all
Niels ten Oever: (13:57) Me
Jamie- CART support: (13:58) thank you
Niels ten Oever: (13:58) Hi all
Markus Kummer: (13:58) Hi all
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:58) 2 minute warning is clear and lound
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:59) loud
Niels ten Oever: (13:59) Must me my enthusiasm ;)
Niels ten Oever: (13:59) will put volume a bit lower
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:59) At least we have our 5 people so the 55 rule is met
David McAuley: (13:59) I am #3200
Brenda Brewer: (14:00) Thank you, David!
David McAuley: (14:00) I have a summer intern with me, Jonathan Peyster, and a new Verisign colleague, Nik Smith
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:00) welcome all
David McAuley: (14:05) please mute
David McAuley: (14:05) agree with that, Niels
Anne Aikman-Scalese: (14:06) Please unmute me. I have muted my own phone.
Brenda Brewer: (14:06) umnuted, Anne.
Anne Aikman-Scalese: (14:06) Thanks Brenda.
Brenda Brewer: (14:07) You're welcome.
Brenda Brewer: (14:07) For the record, no answer to Kavouss' dial out.
Niels ten Oever: (14:07) https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_17AvMLBfT8BmC3gUOTvaIuTuEqMbgiporUwqNymvhWhc_edit&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=kbiQDH54980u4nTPfwdloDLY6-6F24x0ArAvhdeDvvc&m=3JWbw8erc8Chi31owuFw5Q9kc1DXjhxE43ohjIJFbfw&s=ZCCsLJNKpm8-9MuzdXHncb_hoVtcSZ013lgA7ZvzNYc&e=
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:08) clarification would be appreciated and useful
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:08) Te
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:09) this is an SSAC not ALAC comment... yes
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:09) Corrected to SSAc in master document
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:10) the Bernie
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:10) Niels please slow down a bit for the captioning
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:17) makes sense Anne... so for the attention of the full ccwg
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:24) old
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:28) Balancing
David McAuley: (14:28) Greg is saying better what I meant to say
Mark Carvell: (14:30) Agree seems beyond WG remit as it is a fundamental position about how core values may interact so onevalue might override another. Suggest Brazil raises this in anotherICANN forum.
Greg Shatan: (14:31) This would also open up a Pandora's Box of issues about which core value is more important, what aspect of ICANN's mission is more "core", etc., etc.
David McAuley: (14:34) The 'customary' language would undercut bylaw language
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:41) time Check - 19 minutes left in the call
Herb Waye Ombuds: (14:42) Sorry for the late arrival... Hay season, when the farmer says bring me a wagon one drops everything and brings the hay wagon...
Anne Aikman-Scalese: (14:46) This is tough because ICANN is not a "business". And there are limitations in the approved ByLaw relating to "no obligation beyond applicable law." I wonder whether ICANN should simply be advisingg businesses with which it interacts of the Ruggie Principles and/or according extra points for an application that agrees to implement Ruggie. But in fact these are also issues of implementation, as is the idea of an HRIA.
Mark Carvell: (14:46) Swiss and UK governments are in line on Ruggie - when it comes to GAC preparing its response as CO can expect this discussion to be re-visited.
David McAuley: (14:47) hard to hear
Greg Shatan: (14:47) +1 David
David McAuley: (14:47) better
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:47) agreed
David McAuley: (14:49) suggest we stick to bylaw language
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:49) yep
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:50) Time Check - 10 minutes left in call
David McAuley: (14:51) Greg is right - the challenged language is in the bylaw,
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:55) Note - Next meeting of the HR group is Tuesday 25 July 1900UTC
Greg Shatan: (14:56) Need to look back at our documents to weigh these comments.
Herb Waye Ombuds: (14:57) Bye all
Anne Aikman-Scalese: (14:57) THank you.
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:57) bye all
David McAuley: (14:57) Thanks Niels, all bye
Greg Shatan: (14:57) bye!
Mark Carvell: (14:57) Thanks for careful consideration. Bye!