Zoom chat: 2022-03-10 Joint Session: ALAC & GAC

15:42:17 From Gulten Tepe - ICANN Org to Everyone:
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15:53:21 From Maureen Hilyard to Everyone:
Good morning everyone :)
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15:56:11 From Oksana Prykhodko to Everyone:
Hello from Ukraine
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16:00:17 From Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC) to Everyone:
Hello Oksana - our prayers are with you !
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16:00:50 From Dave Kissoondoyal (Mauritius) ALAC to Everyone:
Hello Everyone. Greetings from Mauritius
16:01:04 From Pavel Farhan, ICANN73 Fellow to Everyone:
Good evening to all from Timor Leste.
16:01:30 From Mouloud Khelif - ICANN73 Fellow to Everyone:
Greetings from Geneva, Switzerland Bonjour
16:01:38 From Herb Waye Ombuds to Everyone:
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16:01:39 From Puteri Ameena - ISOC MY to Everyone:
greetings from Malaysia :)
16:02:02 From Ali AlMeshal to Everyone:
Hello all
16:02:49 From Jorge to Everyone:
hello everyone!
16:02:57 From Luisa Paez (Canada GAC) to Everyone:
Welcome to our ALAC colleagues!
16:02:59 From Nigel Hickson UK GAC to Everyone:
Good afternoon from London; always enjoy these sessions.
16:03:13 From Ahmad Aghar - ICANN73 Fellow to Everyone:
Good morning!
16:03:13 From Jose Lay (GAC TL) to Everyone:
Greetings from TL. Hi Pavel Farhan
16:03:14 From Alfredo Calderon (ICANN73 Mentor) to Everyone:
Welcome to all Fellows, NextGen and Newcomers.
16:03:41 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
g'day from Australia :-)
16:03:52 From Alfredo Calderon (ICANN73 Mentor) to Everyone:
Good morning, afternoon and evening to all!
16:04:51 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone:
Greeting from Washington DC
16:05:04 From Priyatosh Jana to Everyone:
hi everyone.....greetings from India
16:05:16 From Mouloud Khelif - ICANN73 Fellow to Everyone:
Thanks @Alfredo
16:05:28 From Mouloud Khelif - ICANN73 Fellow to Everyone:
Where can we find the slide deck, if any ?
16:06:52 From Alfredo Calderon (ICANN73 Mentor) to Everyone:
@Mouloud, I do not see any in the schedule. They might be sharing it later.
16:07:20 From Sarah Kiden to Everyone:
@Mouloud https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Meetings+-+Thursday%2C+10+March+2022
16:07:59 From Gisella Gruber - ICANN Org to Everyone:
@Mouloud - we will make the slides available on the link that Sarah kindly shared, shortly after the meeting. Merci!
16:08:40 From Mouloud Khelif - ICANN73 Fellow to Everyone:
Thanks
16:08:56 From Jorge to Everyone:
On GPI the GAC Communique will include some hopefully useful input
16:09:12 From Gulten Tepe - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Hello Mouloud, you may also find the slides published on ICANN Meetings website at; https://73.schedule.icann.org/meetings/k43J7gNv6WAmS6fmM
16:10:08 From Alfredo Calderon (ICANN73 Mentor) to Everyone:
Thank you @Gulten.
16:10:44 From Mouloud Khelif - ICANN73 Fellow to Everyone:
@Gulten last time I checked (5 minutes) they were not
16:11:42 From Alfredo Calderon (ICANN73 Mentor) to Everyone:
@Mouloud, it is now available.
16:13:35 From Vanda Scartezini - Brazil to Everyone:
good day to all.
16:16:05 From Mouloud Khelif - ICANN73 Fellow to Everyone:
Thanks @Alfredo @Gulten
16:16:36 From Moustapha Abakar Abdramane to Everyone:
Bonjour, Bonsoir à tous
Moustapha Abakar from Tchad 
16:18:48 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
<COMMENT> I believe Evolution *of* a Tool from this original 'framework' being used in the pilot (noting the tool was designed specifically from the Board perspective) for wider Community use is worthy work - and should be a focus of our two Advisory Committees for obvious key interests reasons; so + Velimira <COMMENT>
16:20:48 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
+1 @velimira @Cheryl. The proof is always in the pudding (as they say). We will be keeping a close eye on how this could work in practice
16:21:20 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
This = global public interest framework
16:22:01 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
And perhaps @Marita with our mutual interests be an agreed focus area
16:24:01 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
indeed @cheryl
16:24:41 From Susan Chalmers (GAC, United States) to Everyone:
UA was included in the IGF2021 Key Messages: https://www.intgovforum.org/en/filedepot_download/248/20757
16:24:46 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
<COMMENT> UAI and IDNs is another important matter deserving of our mutal ACs focus, especially in advance of any next Round of New gTLDs (personal bias with my commitment to a Multilingual Internet over the last 20 years recognised of course) so ++ @Nigel and @Satish !! <COMMENT>
16:24:53 From Roberto Gaetano - NextGen Mentor to Everyone:
+1 @Nigel - UA is tightly linked to multilingualism - we all need to do more
16:25:33 From Manal Ismail to Everyone:
+1 Nigel
16:25:35 From Nigel Hickson UK GAC to Everyone:
Thanks Susan, good link
16:26:36 From Manal Ismail to Everyone:
+1 Cheryl
16:27:16 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC-Participant) to Everyone:
+1 Laureen - it raises more doubts than anything
16:27:35 From Vanda Scartezini - Brazil to Everyone:
sure Nigel.. in this regards, here in Brazil, for instance. our Software Association has done initially by ourselves then in partnership with ICANN 3 already published studies about UA in Brazil, Latin America and then whole world with ou member Mark Daytgeld nowadays at the GNSO council
16:27:58 From Rick Lane (Iggy Ventures, LLC) to Everyone:
+1 Laureen & Hadia
16:27:59 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC-Participant) to Everyone:
the implementation timeline is also very alarming
16:29:25 From Rick Lane (Iggy Ventures, LLC) to Everyone:
Adding the time thus far and the time to implement it will be almost a decade on the development of something that may not work and cost a lot of money.
16:29:35 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC-Participant) to Everyone:
six years
16:29:46 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC-Participant) to Everyone:
five to six years
16:30:50 From Nigel Hickson UK GAC to Everyone:
@Vanda - Thanks. Good news re Brazil!
16:31:21 From Sarah Wyld (Tucows) to Everyone:
The finances confused me so badly, thanks again Alan for sharing the helpful info that you did re how they reached their conclusions!
16:31:56 From Rick Lane (Iggy Ventures, LLC) to Everyone:
@Laureen's earlier presentation is outstanding in explaining the issues.
16:33:06 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC-Participant) to Everyone:
If we can survive six years without this system - would we really need it six years from now. Also is the system adaptable and flexible enough to accommodate possible change in legislation that could happen in 6 years. Could this system be obsolete by the time in is put into operation?
16:33:29 From Sarah Kiden to Everyone:
Exactly, Hadia
16:34:04 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC-Participant) to Everyone:
*it
16:34:25 From Roberto Gaetano - NextGen Mentor to Everyone:
@Hadia maybe it is not a bug, but a feature
16:34:56 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
<comment>Whois has been rendered obsolete and taken down prematurely at the sight of GDPR, in effect causing domain names to be all anonymous, including domain names offering webservices leading to monetary transactions small and big. Whois could coexist, as a neutral service with a whois.TLD domain, perhaps with the publically seen registration data fields streamlined and rationalized, for e.g, with an anonymized email id delivring email to an authentic email id; Such a whois could be a base layer for everyone to query information about most domain names excluding sensitively personal and other specialized sensitive domain names. SSAD, by this or any other name, could be a layer over whois with a design to offer accurate non-public data with the careful design as visualized.
16:35:05 From Alfredo Calderon (ICANN73 Mentor) to Everyone:
+1 @Hadia, those are some of the questions not answered. Scalability and too many unknowns.
16:35:14 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
<COMMENT> yes the implementation delay was quite astonishing and well worth adding to our mutual questioning the utility of an SSAD I agree @Alan/@Hadia ++ <COMMENT>
16:37:30 From Rick Lane (Iggy Ventures, LLC) to Everyone:
+1 Alan regarding pilot.
16:37:32 From Sarah Wyld (Tucows) to Everyone:
I have thoughts on that which I look forward to discussing in that small team :) I share your concerns Alan
16:37:36 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Exactly @Alfredo
16:38:11 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC-Participant) to Everyone:
What would be the scale of impelementation of such a prototype
16:38:25 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC-Participant) to Everyone:
implementation
16:39:11 From Ahmad Aghar - ICANN73 Fellow to Everyone:
@Hadia: I’m new to this, but conceptually, shouldn’t the SSAD be built as a flexible framework rather than a solid system in order to be able to accommodate future developments without the need to go back to the drawing board each time?
16:40:02 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC-Participant) to Everyone:
@Ahmead yes, but unfortunately the proposed SSAD is not agile enough
16:40:16 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC-Participant) to Everyone:
Ahmad
16:41:41 From Daniel K Nanghaka to Everyone:
@Hadia cant they make it AGILE?
16:41:44 From Ahmad Aghar - ICANN73 Fellow to Everyone:
it appears so @Hadia. is it going to be fixed? (my impression was that it isn’t)
16:43:05 From Alfredo Calderon (ICANN73 Mentor) to Everyone:
@Ahmad, excellent point. However, it is not proposed as such. How flexible can it be to modify? Security and steps to access information could be an issue down the road. As new regulations on Privacy issues may occur it may or may not be capable of adapting to modifications.
16:44:02 From Jorge to Everyone:
very interesting thoughts and points… in Switzerland we have different channels, including the Plateforme Tripartite, where we present and consult Internet Governance issues with stakeholders, and the Swiss IGF, where issues to be discussed are defined bottom-up. At a more formal level all pieces of legislation or secondary legislation go through an extensive public consultation process…
16:45:10 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
<COMMENT> the opportunity for such mutualism within country between our networks seems a most likely positive in my view noting Australian history of existing mutualism and activities between our sectors in existence or recent times does give me a foundation for seeing the utility and benefits locally... So ++ Yriö and @Shi Young sharing our MS approaches experiences of local Internet Significantly Interested Parties or communities should be beneficial more widely <COMMENT>
16:46:05 From Shi Young Chang(GAC PoC to ALAC) to Everyone:
I would like to share the experience of multistakeholderism from RoK to the next bilateral meeting or intersessionally.
16:46:28 From Nigel Hickson UK GAC to Everyone:
In UK we have a Multistakeholder Advisory Group on IG (MAGIG) which discusses IG issues and helps ensure us government folks understand concerns in community.
16:46:50 From Juuso Moisander to Everyone:
Happy to work with Yrjö to provide the Finnish model in writing.
16:47:13 From Ahmad Aghar - ICANN73 Fellow to Everyone:
@Alfredo, I don’t have enough information to judge that, but the framework can define as part of it’s structure a mechanism to update the metrics/parameters needed to operate based on applicable laws and the collective agreement of the community/committee responsible for it (perhaps via a vote or a pubic comment)
16:47:39 From Ahmad Aghar - ICANN73 Fellow to Everyone:
*public comment
16:48:58 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
<question>Could the GAC and ALAC together with other ACs and SOs of the ICANN multistakeholder process consider deliberating together with other multistakeholder organizations to draw up a design to encourage the creation of national and regional multistakholder bodies that would provide multistakeholder inputs and supportively collaborate with Governments in their respective regions, with a design by the established global multistakeholder process to offer guidelines and certify the constitution of such national multistakeholder bodies as multistakeholder, with a view to separate well formed local multistakeholder bodies from not-so-well constituted multistakeholder bodies? There are Natinal and Regional IGF inititatives which may have some process to distinguish multistakeholder initiatives from the ones that are not. If there is such a process within the global IGF, that process could be a starting point to expand upon and build such a process to extent the merits and benefits of the multistakolder process
16:49:20 From Oksana Prykhodko to Everyone:
Ukrainian case is very good example of such cooperation
16:49:57 From Katie Noyes (PSWG) to Everyone:
There has been a recommendation to feature ICANN in the upcoming IGF USA sessions to encourage just these integration opportunities
16:50:01 From Roberto Gaetano - NextGen Mentor to Everyone:
<QUESTION> I wonder whether the GAC has issued any communique or motion, as for instance the UN GA, about the current events in Ukraine. If so, can you share it with us? If not so, why? Thanks </QUESTION>
16:50:02 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Indeed @Oksana
16:50:41 From Oksana Prykhodko to Everyone:
Thank you, @Cheryl
16:54:29 From Roberto Gaetano - NextGen Mentor to Everyone:
Thanks Manal for the answer
16:54:53 From Oksana Prykhodko to Everyone:
<comment> we receive answer to our (Ukrainian) initiative, but I do not see any reaction to Russian initiative regarding souvereign Internet <comment>
16:55:59 From Yrjo Lansipuro to Everyone:
Thanks to all for good examples of cooperation at national level! I hope examples of best practices could be gathered both within the GAC and At.Large, for discussion later, at an intercessional meeting, or at ICANN74
16:56:39 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
Good summary, Joanna
16:57:06 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Excellent summary I agree @JZ
16:57:24 From Nigel Hickson UK GAC to Everyone:
+1 Joanna
16:57:40 From Vanda Scartezini - Brazil to Everyone:
than you all for this interesting meeting ! please take a look at icann.org/nomcom2022
16:58:56 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC-Participant) to Everyone:
AFRALO issued a statement in relation to the situation in Ukraine supporting the EURALO statement and reiterating the importance of respecting the rights of all Internet users in all affected countries and territories
16:59:09 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Wonderful session THANK you all
16:59:13 From Ahmad Aghar - ICANN73 Fellow to Everyone:
Thanks everybody!
16:59:16 From Matthias M. Hudobnik to Everyone:
Indeed
16:59:20 From Lianna Galstyan to Everyone:
Thanks everyone
16:59:21 From Matthias M. Hudobnik to Everyone:
Great session
16:59:21 From Satish Babu to Everyone:
Thanks everyone!!
16:59:25 From Nigel Hickson UK GAC to Everyone:
Good session, thanks
16:59:26 From Herb Waye Ombuds to Everyone:
Thank you all for the great session. Wishing everyone a professional and respectful last day of ICANN73
16:59:26 From Puteri Ameena - ISOC MY to Everyone:
thank you everyone!
16:59:28 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC-Participant) to Everyone:
Thank you all - great session as usual
16:59:30 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
Thank you.
16:59:32 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC-Participant) to Everyone:
bye
16:59:33 From KEOLEBOGILE Rantsetse to Everyone:
Thank you all the speakers, it was a great session
16:59:33 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Bye for now
16:59:35 From Ali AlMeshal to Everyone:
Thanks to all
16:59:38 From Sarah Kiden to Everyone:
Thank you
16:59:44 From Roberto Gaetano - NextGen Mentor to Everyone:
Thanks all
16:59:47 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong-AFralo to Everyone:
thanks bye
16:59:47 From Mary Uduma to Everyone:
Bye All
16:59:51 From Susan Chalmers (GAC, United States) to Everyone:
Thanks for the interesting session!
16:59:58 From Dai Morishita（JAPAN MIC） to Everyone:
Thank you for all
16:59:59 From Hadia Elminiawi (ALAC-Participant) to Everyone:
we can hear you Maureen
17:00:06 From Shi Young Chang(GAC PoC to ALAC) to Everyone:
Thank you all.
17:00:07 From Gulten Tepe - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Thank you for attending. The meeting is now adjourned. Links to transcripts and recordings of this session will be posted on the GAC website and the ICANN73 meetings page. All remaining lines will now be disconnected.
17:00:09 From Laxmi Prasad YADAV- GAC, Nepal to Everyone:
Thanks everybody for interesting session
17:00:12 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
thanks everyone
17:00:12 From Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland) to Everyone:
thx all!