Zoom chat: 2022-03-09 Joint Session: ALAC & GNSO Council

14:25:49 From Roberto Gaetano - NextGen Mentor to Everyone:
I am sure that then we all are going to speak slightly faster…. 
14:26:46 From Maureen Hilyard to Everyone:
I agree Roberto... I never speak at that speed normally.
14:27:40 From Maureen Hilyard to Everyone:
And I know Alan doesn't at the rate he was reading :)
14:28:45 From Mark Datysgeld GNSO Council to Everyone:
Hello, all. Will be able to join audio in 5 minutes or so. I have spoken in other sessions with the same setup, though. Should be good.
14:29:06 From Dave Kissoondoyal ALAC - Mauritius to Everyone:
Hello everyone
14:30:18 From Dave Kissoondoyal ALAC - Mauritius to Everyone:
French is a very poetic language
14:30:19 From Roberto Gaetano - NextGen Mentor to Everyone:
Shall we all test in all languages?
14:30:22 From Olga Cavalli GNSO Council to Everyone:
i want to do in spanish!!
14:30:49 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Of course you can @Olga
14:31:02 From Mark Datysgeld GNSO Council to Everyone:
Je suis Mark et j'aime le pain
14:31:33 From desiree_miloshevic_GNSO Council to Everyone:
@Roberto.. yes, but we’re limited by the interpretation. Choices 
14:31:52 From Matthias M. Hudobnik to Everyone:
We can hear you well olga 
14:31:54 From Philippe Fouquart GNSO Council to Everyone:
the GNSO people are really frustrated for not being able to use interpretation on a regular basis! :)
14:32:31 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
True for At-Large as well. This system is so nice!
14:32:40 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
We are spoilt in ALAC/At-Large Real Time Interpretation is part of ALAC calls since 2009
14:33:19 From Maxim Alzoba GNSO Councillor (RySG) to Everyone:
do I need to run the test?
14:33:27 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
Paul went missing in 2012...
14:33:28 From Claudia Ruiz - ICANN Org to Everyone:
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14:33:38 From Herb Waye to Everyone:
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14:33:57 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
g'day again @Herb
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14:34:34 From Raymond Mamattah to Everyone:
Good evening from Accra, Ghana .
14:38:32 From Vanda's iPhone 6S to Everyone:
Hi again everyone
14:40:53 From Matthias M. Hudobnik to Everyone:
Whois and the gdpr - the never ending story 
14:41:43 From Sarah Kiden to Everyone:
Lol @ Matthias, right?!
14:41:51 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
Lovely acronym soup. Yummy. Thanks for explaining each, Justine.
14:42:03 From Maxim Alzoba GNSO Councillor (RySG) to Everyone:
NIS2 will be added on top
14:42:25 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Maxim NIS2 will be even worse, unfortunately.
14:42:35 From Maxim Alzoba GNSO Councillor (RySG) to Everyone:
indeed
14:43:39 From Claudia Ruiz - ICANN Org to Everyone:
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14:50:28 From Maxim Alzoba GNSO Councillor (RySG) to Everyone:
Will we see NIS4.0 by then?
14:53:44 From desiree_miloshevic_GNSO Council to Everyone:
Thank you @Hadia for that comment and a question regarding the ODA and the timeline.
14:53:50 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Maxim Please don't give the EC ideas. :) We still haven't dealt with the damage caused by GDPR yet.
14:54:22 From Maxim Alzoba GNSO Councillor (RySG) to Everyone:
@John, I just tried to approximate speeds of the processes
14:55:26 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Maxim The only thing that the EC seems to do quickly is fill out their expenses claims. Everything else, including NIS2 takes a long time. :)
14:55:39 From Maxim Alzoba GNSO Councillor (RySG) to Everyone:
let’s hope so
14:58:14 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
And in the ALAC view as well
14:59:45 From Roberto Gaetano - NextGen Mentor to Everyone:
@JmcC to be fair, there are many important things that the EC has done quickly, like the recovery plan, the sanctions against Russia, and more - I disagree with this representation
15:00:28 From Sivasubramanian Muthusamy to Everyone:
@John The brighter side is that newer versions of legistaltive proposals would have increasingly incorporated the wisdom of the DNS and Internet Communities !
15:00:56 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Roberto Legislation always seems to take a long time and then it has to be enacted into EU country law within 9 months.
15:01:17 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Siva I hope it will be.
15:01:19 From Maxim Alzoba GNSO Councillor (RySG) to Everyone:
each country
15:01:22 From Steve Chan - ICANN Org to Everyone:
I think this is what Jeff is referring to: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_A5oEnsFQHAvXDtNNRkDGzPoC2GRTxtlnMCwd3rNMOM/edit
15:01:37 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Maxim Yes,
15:02:02 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
Thanks @Steve
15:02:24 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
It can get very complicated very quickly.
15:03:32 From Sivasubramanian Muthusamy to Everyone:
@John On existing and proposed legislative proposals from Europe and elsewhere, rather than rush to adopt DNS policies and processes, ICANN could put on its global DNS hat and disagree with whatever is disagreeable first.
15:03:39 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
There was a very sensible set of amendments on NIS2 that were rejected. Not sure of the status of the legislation at the moment.
15:04:04 From Maxim Alzoba GNSO Councillor (RySG) to Everyone:
ICANN does not have a special hat allowing to neglect laws
15:04:23 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Siva In theory, yes. In practice - the GDPR response.
15:04:50 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
Yes, good request Justine!
15:05:34 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
started with 11 membersd
15:05:34 From Jeffrey Neuman GNSO Liaison to the GAC to Everyone:
Yes, apologies I forgot to mention Closed Generics and the letter the Council got this past weekend.
15:05:48 From Sivasubramanian Muthusamy to Everyone:
Conceptually it could put on the global DNS hat that would be at least as tall as that of multilateral hats, be it that of a country --- any country --- or that of a region.
15:05:54 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
With legislation, one approach does not work for all especially when some are in different jurisdictions.
15:06:15 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
A lot to try and touch upon in our limited time @Jeff, we all recognise that I am sure
15:07:08 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
ICANN is a US company but registrars and others may not be so the global hat idea might not work.
15:07:10 From Martin Sutton to Everyone:
Justine, you can no longer be termed as a newbie, only new gTLDs carry the term ‘new’ for extended decades!
15:07:33 From Sivasubramanian Muthusamy to Everyone:
@John it OUGHT to work
15:07:40 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
:-) @Martin
15:07:43 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
Yes, so much good stuff! DNSI, CPH, IJ, GNSO, framework, DAAR improvements, etc. Lots to sort out.
15:07:43 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Siva In theory. :)
15:08:03 From Nathalie Peregrine - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Paul McGrady has not joined the call yet.
15:08:27 From Sivasubramanian Muthusamy to Everyone:
It is "company" to fit into the existing incorporation ecosystem, but it is NOT a company at all, it is much much bigger than a company or a corporation or an organization
15:09:03 From Tomslin Samme-Nlar GNSO Council to Everyone:
@Justine, the Council is yet to accept the offer to meet with GAC on closed generics :-)
15:10:51 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
@Tomslin, :) I can only hope we can be inclusive and early on in any process
15:12:53 From Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org to Everyone:
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15:13:17 From Matthias M. Hudobnik to Everyone:
thxs mark ;)
15:13:34 From Sivasubramanian Muthusamy to Everyone:
Why is the Small Team a "GNSO Council" Small team? Doesn't a problem of this scale merit to bring various global study groups, research initiatives and abuse mitigation agencies, all together in an ICANN room to con combine energies?
15:14:03 From Sivasubramanian Muthusamy to Everyone:
... to combine ....
15:14:08 From Maxim Alzoba GNSO Councillor (RySG) to Everyone:
because is formed out of GNSO Councillors, any GNSO Councillor can participate
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15:15:23 From Maxim Alzoba GNSO Councillor (RySG) to Everyone:
there is no issue of this nature, Compliance is about following the contract , not about inventing something
15:15:52 From Tomslin Samme-Nlar GNSO Council to Everyone:
@Siva, the team is not intended to find solutions but to identify policy questions the GNSO Council ca address within the confines of ICANN's bylaws
15:16:28 From Maxim Alzoba GNSO Councillor (RySG) to Everyone:
trusted notifier is a role and not a universal status
15:16:49 From Sivasubramanian Muthusamy to Everyone:
You don't build the compound wall first before drawing up a building plan for the house to be built @Maxim
15:17:00 From Maxim Alzoba GNSO Councillor (RySG) to Everyone:
and that role is per TLD, Registrar
15:17:23 From Maxim Alzoba GNSO Councillor (RySG) to Everyone:
it is like vendor - there is no universal vendor for anyone of everything
15:17:44 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
Agree @Maxim. that's another variable. The CPH is not homogeneous.
15:18:02 From Dave Kissoondoyal ALAC - Mauritius to Everyone:
J’aime bien la langue de Moliere
15:18:27 From Maxim Alzoba GNSO Councillor (RySG) to Everyone:
I meant that there are too many jurisdictions and the universal ideas just too broad, or do not work at all
15:18:37 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
+1 Maxim
15:18:51 From Mark Datysgeld GNSO Council to Everyone:
@Maxim in general I think we have been tending towards supporting theme-specific Trusted Notifiers. That seems to be in alignment with current practices of the CPH as well.
15:19:14 From Maxim Alzoba GNSO Councillor (RySG) to Everyone:
@Mark, we should relay established agreed things, not wishes
15:20:00 From Mark Datysgeld GNSO Council to Everyone:
This is established in the TN Framework.
15:20:10 From Dennis Tan (Verisign) to Everyone:
@Mark … some interesting reading on DNs by the I&JPN https://www.internetjurisdiction.net/news/new-ij-outcome-on-trusted-notifiers
15:20:18 From Maxim Alzoba GNSO Councillor (RySG) to Everyone:
it is an abstract role - not something universal
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15:20:27 From Dennis Tan (Verisign) to Everyone:
DN/TN
15:20:31 From Maxim Alzoba GNSO Councillor (RySG) to Everyone:
ans strictly per legal entity
15:20:32 From Mark Datysgeld GNSO Council to Everyone:
Thank you for the link @Dennis. Great to see you.
15:20:54 From Dennis Tan (Verisign) to Everyone:
yw @Mark
15:21:40 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
“Il est coupable de tout le bien qu'il ne fait pas.” ― Voltaire
15:21:54 From Maxim Alzoba GNSO Councillor (RySG) to Everyone:
@Mark, for the clarity, please do not share own views as the Small group views
15:23:41 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
@Siva, re: small teams, it is the same with how CPWG sets up small teams to tackle issues.
15:23:41 From Sivasubramanian Muthusamy to Everyone:
@Jonathan "Who is guilty for all the good he doesn't do" on this day?
15:23:46 From Mark Datysgeld GNSO Council to Everyone:
@Maxim Unsure what's frustrating you. I am literally repeating what's in the https://www.rysg.info/wp-content/uploads/archive/Final-CPH-Notifier-Framework-6-October-2021.pdf
15:23:56 From Mark Datysgeld GNSO Council to Everyone:
Noted away
15:24:01 From Mark Datysgeld GNSO Council to Everyone:
anyway
15:24:39 From Maxim Alzoba GNSO Councillor (RySG) to Everyone:
Please, speaking on behalf of RySG is for RySG members who were approved to do so.
15:24:52 From Vanda Scartezini to Everyone:
Thank you all for this interesting meeting ANEEL eSpeciall for Justine organizing this meeting .
15:24:58 From Maxim Alzoba GNSO Councillor (RySG) to Everyone:
sorry, it was a comment for @Mark
15:26:37 From Mark Datysgeld GNSO Council to Everyone:
@Maxim The community should appreciate consensus documents arrived at by stakeholders, no? But still, something to take elsewhere instead of the space gently given to us.
15:26:52 From Philippe Fouquart GNSO Council to Everyone:
@Jonathan thanks for this, forgot about that quote, Indeed something to meditate especially these days (sadly)
15:27:10 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
+1 Philippe
15:28:05 From Dennis Tan (Verisign) to Everyone:
@Mark … I was part of the drafting team of the CPH TN Framework… I
15:28:27 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
@Siva, all of us. I was trying to contextualize my comments about finding the right actor for all that needs doing.
15:28:31 From desiree_miloshevic_GNSO Council to Everyone:
It must be recognised that ALAC has contributed a lot to PDPs recently
15:28:38 From Mark Datysgeld GNSO Council to Everyone:
@Dennis Very interesting document, some pretty good context for the community.
15:28:41 From Dennis Tan (Verisign) to Everyone:
@Mark… (continued) I’ll be happy to connect with you to go over it or address any concern or question you may have
15:28:53 From Sivasubramanian Muthusamy to Everyone:
@Jonathan +100, if you meant all of us.
15:29:08 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
well noted @Desiree
15:29:16 From Mark Datysgeld GNSO Council to Everyone:
@Dennis that would be helpful
15:29:27 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone:
@Desiree, we have even initiated two PDP (through our ability to request an Issue Report)!
15:29:39 From Mouloud Khelif - ICANN73 Fellow to Everyone:
@Roberto + 1 (recently joined EURALO individual members)
15:30:28 From Sivasubramanian Muthusamy to Everyone:
@desiree Thank you. There is a plenty, plenty of more work that ALAC and GNSO could do in relative harmony
15:30:58 From desiree_miloshevic_GNSO Council to Everyone:
@Alan - I stand corrected and thanks for that reminder!
15:31:16 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
both listed reports have extensive information/recommendations being implemented, but we will happily engage further if you have any follow up clarifications or questions on this work.
15:31:51 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone:
@Desiree, you were correct. Just adding another bit to our involvement.
15:32:39 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Time is against us today
15:33:03 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
thanks guys! Can't wait to do this in person!
15:33:05 From Herb Waye to Everyone:
Great session folks… have a great rest of your day. “See” you tomorrow, stay safe and be kind.
15:33:11 From Hadia’s iPhone to Everyone:
Thank you all - bye for now - great session
15:33:13 From Maxim Alzoba GNSO Councillor (RySG) to Everyone:
good night
15:33:13 From Sivasubramanian Muthusamy to Everyone:
Thank you
15:33:14 From Paul McGrady to Everyone:
Thanks All!
15:33:16 From Maureen Hilyard to Everyone:
Thank you to the ALAC and GNSO teams
15:33:19 From Tomslin Samme-Nlar GNSO Council to Everyone:
thank you ALAC
15:33:20 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Thanks, All.
15:33:20 From Mark Datysgeld GNSO Council to Everyone:
thank you all!
15:33:21 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong to Everyone:
bye
15:33:21 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
Thanks all/later
15:33:23 From Raymond Mamattah to Everyone:
Bye
15:33:23 From Denise Hochbaum to Everyone:
Very good meeting!
15:33:26 From Dave Kissoondoyal ALAC - Mauritius to Everyone:
Thank you all
15:33:27 From Matthias M. Hudobnik to Everyone:
thxs! bye!