Zoom chat: 2022-02-02 At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG)

15:38:18 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Welcome to the At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group Call taking place on Wednesday, 02 February 2022 at 13:00 UTC.
15:39:03 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Agenda: https://community.icann.org/x/TwIiCw
15:57:24 From Evin Erdogdu - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Hello all, welcome
16:00:14 From Priyatosh Jana to Everyone:
hi everyone... greetings from India
16:02:44 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
Greetings. - Dr. T V Gopal, Professor, Department of Computer Science and Engineering, College of Engineering, Guindy Campus, Anna University , Chennai, INDIA.
16:03:13 From Herb Waye Ombuds to Everyone:
Greetings from the Office of the Ombuds… wishing everyone the very best.
16:03:16 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
hello all
16:03:38 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
RTT Link: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
16:03:39 From gordon to Everyone:
Hi, everyone.
16:04:01 From Lianna Galstyan to Everyone:
Hi everyone
16:04:03 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Welcome, all.
16:06:55 From Satish Babu (Member, ALAC) to Everyone:
Thanks Olivier...!
16:06:56 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
congratulations Satish
16:07:16 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
Congratulations Satish
16:07:22 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Congratulations, Satish as the first ALAC liaison to the UASG
16:08:28 From Evin Erdogdu - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Noted, thank you Jonathan and Justine
16:09:06 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
Yes, congrats Satish
16:10:24 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
Congratulations to Mr. Satish Babu on being nominated as ALAC Liaison to UASG. - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, Chennai, INDIA
16:10:24 From Steinar Grøtterød to Everyone:
Confirmed - no update on TPR-PDP due to no meeting in the WG this week
16:14:42 From Evin Erdogdu - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Congratulations, Satish!
16:15:35 From Laura Margolis to Everyone:
Congratulations Satish!
16:15:53 From Harold Arcos to Everyone:
congrats dear @Satish!
16:18:40 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
Here is the link to the ALAC Team for IDNs EPDP on charter questions a1 to a3 which Satish referred to at the top of his presentation: https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/181306219/20211270v1%20IDNs-EPDP%20ppt%20for%20CPWG%201Dec2021.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1638365361000&api=v2
16:19:30 From Harold Arcos to Everyone:
thanks @Justine for the link
16:21:30 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
Discussion was with individual members of SSAC not SSAC as a whole
16:26:51 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
Its the SSAC trying to save the registries from themselves…which is not something I have supported in the PDP WG by the way
16:27:30 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
I believe that the focus should be on the registries being able to demonstrate that they can handle the complications that come with multiple variants.
16:27:48 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
If they can demonstrate their knowledge, experience and plans to handle, that should be the end of the inquiry
16:29:58 From Alfredo Calderon (ICANN73 Mentor) to Everyone:
Yes @Jeffrey. It feels like an operational and management from a specific sector of the community. From the end-user it might raise confusion when identifying the right script (URL or DNS).
16:30:48 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
But there is a same entity rule
16:31:03 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
From ICANN: "The IDN Variant Issues Project" at: https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/idn-vip-integrated-issues-final-clean-20feb12-en.pdf This is 113 pages but a fantastic report to study. - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, Chennai, INDIA
16:31:06 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
Which we have not discussed yet @Jeff
16:31:08 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
So the same entity is assigned all of the variants (or they are bundled)
16:31:19 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
That was the recommendation from SubPro
16:31:32 From Abdulkarim Oloyede to Everyone:
Not for me
16:31:35 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
so, it would be VERY unlikely that that gets overturned
16:32:23 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
@Jeff what do you mean by bundeled
16:32:27 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
?
16:32:29 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
I don't wish to preempt or reject anything as this point
16:32:59 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
Bundled is also a term that requires a definition
16:35:09 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
dropped
16:35:12 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
sorry
16:35:55 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Olivier - we’re redialing to you
16:35:58 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
following using Zoom but awaiting a dial out
16:36:48 From Abdulkarim Oloyede to Everyone:
But issue of Security were raised from the onset as far as I know
16:39:44 From Abdulkarim Oloyede to Everyone:
@Jeff personally I think we need to be more conservative cos of DNS abuse.
16:39:54 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
Even about the SSAD's idea of being conservative at the start with one or two variants, and relax the ceiling if it works, what happens if the conservative allowances cause Security and Stability issues? Would the Registries be registering the variant names with a clause that says that these names may be withdrawn in case there are Security issues?
16:40:00 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
less likely to be able to have a malicious registration
16:41:06 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
The SSAC has said there is not technically stability or security issues arising from the delegation of multiple vairants
16:41:29 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
SSAC said that each variant is a separate string
16:41:40 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
Thank you Satish
16:41:45 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
So introducing a string a 3 variants is the same thing as delegating 4 strings
16:42:03 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
A string with 3 variants ….sorrry typo
16:42:22 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
We'll take questions in turn after Satish has finished his presentation
16:44:09 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
I*Org is the abbrev for ICANN Org
16:49:04 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@hadia "Issues such as DNS abuse and ... are not major concenrs"?
16:49:35 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
I am sorry I was disconnected - but I finished
16:50:48 From Abdulkarim Oloyede to Everyone:
+1 Justine. Thanks for breaking it down
16:51:04 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
@Siva - I agree - nevertheless guidelines should refer to what needs to be considered when deciding whether to go with a specific variant or not
16:52:29 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@Jeffrey if you could raise your comment "So introducing a string a 3 variants is the same thing as delegating 4 strings
" as a question for clairty....
16:53:04 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
Agree with Justine 100%
16:53:08 From Abdulkarim Oloyede to Everyone:
For me I think the EPDP should define the numbers allocatable
16:53:34 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
As usual Justine explained the issue so much better than I ever could
16:53:50 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
One of the reasons ceiling can never work is because it will differ from one case to another
16:53:55 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
Thanks for the clarification Justine. Your points make sense to me.
16:54:07 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
+1 Justine
16:54:37 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
@Hadia - right. And then we will have to grapple with others asking for exceptions to the rule and then that will get even more complex. So Justine +100 :)
16:55:34 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone:
Skipped Accuracy Scoping team report, but nothing to report.
16:57:39 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone:
I have to leave early
16:58:00 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org to Everyone:
The IICANN73 questions workspace is at: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Questions+for+ICANN73
16:59:37 From Roberto Gaetano to Everyone:
The rationale for having UA in the GAC/ALAC agenda is that there is room for collaboration as we share by and large the same objectives
17:01:47 From Joanna Kulesza to Everyone:
Justine's proposed format for bilaterals: https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=186778158 (most welcome)
17:02:18 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
yeah, good idea
17:03:58 From Joanna Kulesza to Everyone:
the DNS Abuse EU study report: https://op.europa.eu/en/publication-detail/-/publication/7d16c267-7f1f-11ec-8c40-01aa75ed71a1/language-en
17:05:05 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
I lost Justine
17:05:53 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
@Justine: Many thanks for the ALAC/GNSO Bilateral format. I will study this soon. - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, Chennai, INDIA
17:06:16 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Justine dropped from Zoom
17:09:19 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
+1 Sebastien two important topics indeed
17:10:00 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
now we hear you
17:10:14 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org to Everyone:
@Seb, Justine asked for topics to be added to the table.
17:10:19 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Justine joined us
17:10:45 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
Sorry, I got kicked out of the Zoom room
17:11:56 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
@Alan agree, there is merit in keeping it a happy meeting - since it is our first in a while
17:12:12 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
@Alan -- I guess the question is will this be a gripe session and will that be productive
17:14:02 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone:
I will.
17:15:37 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
The long term items like pdp3.0 and consensus playbook seem like good candidates for a "friendly" discussion
17:17:12 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
@Siva thank you for your words
17:17:51 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
I would also add priority setting to the list. Talk about issues where we are not necessarily dug in
17:18:36 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
Thank you Justine.
17:19:06 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
'too all of us
17:19:10 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
we hear you
17:19:56 From Raymond Mamattah to Everyone:
I think Siva has raised a great concern. Will it be the case that in future Council can decide to choose who they think is worthy to belong to their WG to represent ALAC? The reps are great but the process of choosing them is problematic
17:20:15 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
Alan as well
17:22:07 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@Raymond and @Justine, again objectively, if the rationale is that of experience and understanding of SSAD issues, who really understands SSAD which is entirely unprecedented?
17:22:47 From Chokri Ben Romdhane to Everyone:
+ 1 @Siva
17:22:56 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
@Raymond, we are not talking about PDPs or EPDP. This is a Small Team of the GNSO Council.
17:23:43 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
"Membership" of GNSO PDPs, or EPDP is governed by the PDP 3.0 framework
17:23:46 From Raymond Mamattah to Everyone:
@Justine, I understand that very well. Thanks.
17:24:01 From Chokri Ben Romdhane to Everyone:
Thank you all
17:24:09 From Herb Waye Ombuds to Everyone:
Take care all… stay safe and be kind.
17:24:10 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
Thank you all - bye for now
17:24:15 From Pari Esfandiari to Everyone:
Thank you everyone.
17:24:32 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
When the time rotates, I am dependent on the dial-out to wake up. 19 or 20 Hrs is fine with me. - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, Chennai, INIDA
17:24:34 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
For the record again, the overall experience, insights and fairness of Alan and Hadia and even the correctness of the choce is not questioned. N OT.
17:24:34 From Evin Erdogdu - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Thank you all, see you next week!
17:24:35 From Satish Babu (Member, ALAC) to Everyone:
Thanks to all