Zoom Chat: 2021-11-10 At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG)

15:35:07 From Yesim Saglam to Everyone:
Welcome to the At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG) Call taking place on Wednesday, 10 November 2021 at 13:00 UTC
15:35:18 From Yesim Saglam to Everyone:
Agenda: https://community.icann.org/x/0wC7Cg
15:58:58 From CAPTIONER Kara Valor to Everyone:
Closed Captions are available using the "View Transcript" option in Zoom below. There is also a running realtime transcript available at the following link: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
16:00:41 From Evin Erdogdu - ICANN org to Everyone:
Hello all, welcome!
16:00:56 From Heidi Ullrich to Everyone:
Welcome, All.
16:01:23 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
Hello All
16:02:08 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
Hello all
16:02:20 From Lutz Donnerhacke to Everyone:
CLO is missed twice.
16:02:38 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
apologies for missing our last call
16:03:04 From Bill Jouris to Everyone:
French translators presumable devoted to the AfRALO Download meeting an hour from now
16:03:20 From Alfredo Calderon - ICANN73 Mentor to Everyone:
Good morning, afternoon or evening to all! / Buenos días, tardes o noche a todos!
16:03:21 From Yesim Saglam to Everyone:
Closed Captions are available using the "View Transcript" option in Zoom below. There is also a running realtime transcript available at the following link: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
16:04:47 From Bill Jouris to Everyone:
Consideration of the Myanmar script LGR should probably wait until it appears on the Public Comment page. It's not there now
16:05:19 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
Greetings. - Dr. T V Gopal, Professor, Department of Computer Science and Engineering, College of Engineering, Guindy Campus, Anna University , Chennai, INDIA.
16:06:40 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
Could I join the DNS white paper group?
16:06:57 From Evin Erdogdu - ICANN org to Everyone:
Yes Hadia, thank you
16:07:06 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
Thank you Evin
16:07:17 From Dave.Kissoondoyal to Everyone:
Hello everyone. Sorry for being late
16:10:02 From Michael Palage to Everyone:
Do you have a link to the compliance session
16:12:39 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@Steinar What are the transfer records maintained by the RegisTRY? Who is the Registrant for icann.org? When was icann.org first registered? Who was the first Registrant? How many times was icann.org transfeerred? Who were the Regisrtants at various points of time? Who is the current Registrant?
16:15:07 From Bill Jouris to Everyone:
@Siva, it will be interesting especially if the current Registrant is NOT currently an ICANN employee. Or, at least, the contact information is an ICANN mailbox that currenty gets checked regularly
16:19:51 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
root@waikiki:/home/ocl# whois icann.org Domain Name: ICANN.ORG Registry Domain ID: D2347548-LROR Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.godaddy Registrar URL: http://www.whois.godaddy.com Updated Date: 2020-09-24T16:37:31Z Creation Date: 1998-09-14T04:00:00Z Registry Expiry Date: 2027-12-07T17:04:26Z Registrar Registration Expiration Date: Registrar: GoDaddy.com, LLC Registrar IANA ID: 146 Registrar Abuse Contact Email: abuse@godaddy.com Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.4806242505 Worth noting that the Whois Server address is wrong as whois.godaddy does not exist
16:22:04 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
Full details using Godaddy WHOIS server
16:23:18 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
Domain Name: ICANN.ORG Registry Domain ID: D2347548-LROR Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.godaddy.com Registrar URL: http://www.godaddy.com Updated Date: 2019-05-15T18:20:14Z Creation Date: 1998-09-14T04:00:00Z Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2027-12-07T17:04:26Z Registrar: GoDaddy.com, LLC Registrar IANA ID: 146 Registrar Abuse Contact Email: abuse@godaddy.com Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.4806242505 Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited https://icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited Domain Status: clientUpdateProhibited https://icann.org/epp#clientUpdateProhibited Domain Status: clientRenewProhibited https://icann.org/epp#clientRenewProhibited Domain Status: clientDeleteProhibited https://icann.org/epp#clientDeleteProhibited Registry Registrant ID: CR12376439 Registrant Name: Domain Administrator Registrant Organization: ICANN Registrant Street: 12025 Waterfront Drive Registrant Street: Suite 300 Registrant City: Los Angeles Registrant State/Province: California Registrant Postal Code: 90094-2536
16:24:15 From Herb Waye Ombuds to Everyone:
Hello everyone, sorry for being late… Time change strikes again…
16:24:40 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
Registrant Country: US Registrant Phone: +1.4242171313 Registrant Phone Ext: Registrant Fax: +1.4242171313 Registrant Fax Ext: Registrant Email: domain-admin@icann.org Registry Tech ID: CR12376440 Tech Name: Domain Administrator Tech Organization: ICANN Tech Street: 12025 Waterfront Drive Tech Street: Suite 300 Tech City: Los Angeles Tech State/Province: California Tech Postal Code: 90094-2536 Tech Country: US Tech Phone: +1.4242171313 Tech Phone Ext: Tech Fax: +1.4242171313 Tech Fax Ext: Tech Email: domain-admin@icann.org Registry Admin ID: CR12376441 Admin Name: Domain Administrator Admin Organization: ICANN Admin Street: 12025 Waterfront Drive Admin Street: Suite 300 Admin City: Los Angeles Admin State/Province: California Admin Postal Code: 90094-2536 Admin Country: US Admin Phone: +1.4242171313 Admin Phone Ext: Admin Fax: +1.4242171313 Admin Fax Ext: Admin Email: domain-admin@icann.org Name Server: NS.ICANN.ORG Name Server: A.ICANN-SERVERS.NET Name Server: B.ICANN-SERVERS.NET Name Server: C.ICANN-SERVERS
16:24:50 From Greg Shatan to Everyone:
Olivier, whois.godaddy.com resolves to https://www.godaddy.com/whois. I believe they are essentially the same thing in terms of site architecture (i.e., third level domains).
16:24:55 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
so the email address is a general email address that will not change with time
16:25:14 From Bill Jouris to Everyone:
@Olivier, thank you
16:25:34 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
I think we need to do a lot of research on the 60 days inter-registrar lock. It has been the subject of a lot of discussion over the past 20+ years in previous PDPs.
16:25:39 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
whois.godaddy does not resolve --- they missed out ".com"
16:26:08 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
Transfer disputes refer to 60 day lock
16:26:26 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
what is the rationale of 60 days?
16:26:47 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
To prevent things like cyberflight
16:26:59 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
And to verify contact information, billing, etc.
16:27:04 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
Will that be resolved in 60 days?
16:27:30 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
Yes, but 60 days is now enshrined in things like the transfer dispute resolution policy
16:28:22 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
Before having this discussion it is Vital to review the entire record of the 20+ years of transfer policy discussions
16:28:27 From Chokri Ben Romdhane to Everyone:
Hi all sorry for being late
16:28:28 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
I understand that 60days is now a standard, but there should be a specific rationale not because it is there historically
16:28:40 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
60 days lock is the result of industry experience
16:29:01 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
@Justine - now it is more than tha
16:30:09 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
@Jeff agree,
16:30:24 From Greg Shatan to Everyone:
@Olivier, in the example you pasted in the chat , it reads: whois.godaddy.com.
16:30:35 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
My rule has always been that if you can not show a demonstrable problem with the current practice, then you do not make a change
16:31:10 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
Some have called that the “Neuman Rule” :)
16:31:18 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
Agree to the logic Jeff
16:31:29 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
if there is no issue why tamper with it
16:31:37 From Michael Palage to Everyone:
Historical note - the 60 day window did NOT exist at beginning of the original Registrar test bed period, it was put in at the request of Register.com as a way of Registrars being able to retain the domain name and recoup its loss if there was credit fraud. This originally had nothing to do with protecting Registrants - but Registrars commercial interests.
16:32:04 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
Thanks for the insight Micheal
16:33:15 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
Agree with Mike, but since then it has been used for a bunch of different purposes.
16:33:19 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
Tks. I will try to improve the audio. - Dr. T V Gopal
16:33:23 From Steinar Grøtterød to Everyone:
Point taken, Lutz
16:34:14 From Chokri Ben Romdhane to Everyone:
transfer per registry data, will be useful to decide whethere the 60 days is minimal period or we should be reduced
16:34:39 From Michael Palage to Everyone:
@Jeff - not disagreeing with how it has "evolved" I was just noting its original intent - I find it comical.
16:35:07 From Augusto Ho to Everyone:
Buenos días, Harold Arcos solicita que lo llamen
16:35:14 From Michael Palage to Everyone:
@Justine - not proposing a change - just providing a historical data point
16:36:28 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
If banking delays across borders is a concern for Registrants, then not only the 60 day lock, but also the convention that the Registrant pays for an additional year of Registrant irrespective of the date of renewal for the domain to the new Regisrar could also be remoeed
16:37:29 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
Absent a compelling reason to change, I do not believe there should be a change
16:38:38 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@Jeffrey Who decides if there is a compelling reason? I am the one who paid ten dollars, it is my name.
16:38:47 From Greg Shatan to Everyone:
Following Jonathan's point: If one were to design this today, I think the affirmative confirmation would be the primary method of avoiding fraud along with a much shorter hold period.
16:39:14 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
We as a policy community determine whether there is a compelling reason
16:40:08 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
Some ball park number which is a working approximation will help smooth and legitimate follow - up in case of delays. Presently 60 day is working. More research is always welcome if the projected gains are significant. For "epsilon" or small gains it may not be pragmatic to perturb a large system like the one we are working with. - Dr. T V Gopal
16:40:11 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
Same problem
16:40:14 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@Jeffrey That would be fair for the community to broadly decide what constitutes a compelling or reasonable reason, provided the community is balanced.
16:41:25 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
And who determines what “balanced” means?
16:41:38 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
So, we look to data.
16:42:29 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@Jeffrey That requires an elevated conversation, way beyond the scope of this WG :)
16:42:31 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
Without data of transfer complaints, technical issues, etc., its hard to establish a compelling or reasonable reason
16:42:36 From Lutz Donnerhacke to Everyone:
No, it's a global issue
16:42:36 From Alfredo Calderon - ICANN73 Mentor to Everyone:
Lost his audio.
16:42:45 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
I had same issu
16:42:49 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
Issue
16:43:00 From Yesim Saglam to Everyone:
Yrjö - please let me know if you need a dial-out
16:56:53 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
slowly though
16:57:11 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
I thought I asked for the demo ;)
16:57:18 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
Call times will be increased to 90 minutes
16:57:45 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
I think the group has been working well and seems balanced
16:57:47 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
Thank you Justine
16:59:12 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
24 November is my wedding anniversary. I will not be joining the meeting on that day. - Dr. T V Gopal
16:59:30 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
Happy Anniversary!
17:02:30 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
can we copy that link to chat?
17:02:43 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
The Board has not yet ratified the policy. ODP is before Board ratification
17:02:55 From Yesim Saglam to Everyone:
Webinar: SSAD ODP Project Update Webinar #4

When: 18 November 2021, 16:00 UTC

Registration Link: https://icann.zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_wJWalmmZSW2oRRJ_xkZ1yQ
17:02:55 From Harold Arcos to Everyone:
ICANN is hosting a webinar on 18 November 2021 at 16:00 UTC to provide the community with an update on SSAD ODP. Register and learn more here >> https://go.icann.org/3GTYXeA
17:03:01 From avri doria to Everyone:
ODP is in preparation for the Board vote.
17:03:43 From avri doria to Everyone:
What the Board did was approve the ODP and a fiancial allocation for it.
17:04:34 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
Thanks a lot
17:04:36 From Dave.Kissoondoyal to Everyone:
Thanks and bye to all
17:04:37 From Heidi Ullrich to Everyone:
Thank you, All.
17:04:50 From Chokri Ben Romdhane to Everyone:
Thank you all
17:05:04 From Herb Waye Ombuds to Everyone:
Goodbye everyone stay safe and be kind
17:05:08 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
Thank you all - bye for today
17:05:09 From Jeffrey Neuman to Everyone:
Thanks all
17:05:15 From Lianna Galstyan to Everyone:
Thanks everyone
17:05:19 From Raymond Mamattah to Everyone:
Thanks for the time. Bye
17:05:22 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
Thank you all. - Dr. T V Gopal
17:05:23 From Evin Erdogdu - ICANN org to Everyone:
Thank you all'
17:05:23 From Harold Arcos to Everyone:
thank you,, bye all,,
17:05:30 From Greg Shatan to Everyone:
Bye!
17:05:31 From Roberto Gaetano to Everyone:
bye all