Zoom Chat: 2021-06-02 At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG)

14:51:02 From Captioner - Bonnie to Everyone:
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14:51:25 From Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Wonderful, thank you, Bonnie!
14:54:44 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA to Everyone:
Hi Everyone
14:55:29 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
Lovely to hear your voip
14:55:44 From Lutz Donnerhacke to Everyone:
Hi, everybody
14:56:55 From Lutz Donnerhacke to Everyone:
May I ask for a "T-5" vocal announcement instead of the soft "Hi everyone, we will start in Five minutes" Version?
14:57:44 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
I really don't need a countdown to YET another damn meeting but whatever
14:58:49 From Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org to Everyone:
To follow along with the RTT: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN [streamtext.net]
14:59:49 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone:
Hello all, welcome
14:59:49 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Yeah … Sure @OCL *sigh8
15:01:52 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
Let's hope THIS call will cheer you up @Cheryl :-)
15:02:51 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
Need to add a drum track
15:02:55 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
not so far
15:03:32 From Roberto Gaetano to Everyone:
Hi @Marita - I am the clone of Roberto, who took a break after the previous call - he says hallo!
15:04:06 From Greg Shatan to Everyone:
Hello, everybody!
15:04:25 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA to Everyone:
The Agenda is good
15:04:39 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
Well, I am still looking for the instructions. @Roberto (2)
15:05:07 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone:
See: Google Doc for comment https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k5pd_cox04hrION_42v_hY5tCJktpStbr7cBDCAAw3M/edit?usp=sharing
15:05:23 From Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org to Everyone:
To follow along with the RTT: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN [streamtext.net]
15:08:24 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
@ Marita - sounds really interesting
15:08:36 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
How daring!
15:08:42 From Herb Waye Ombuds to Everyone:
Greetings everyone.
15:08:50 From Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Welcome Herb!
15:09:00 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
@ JZ - amazing the courage when the meeting is online
15:09:03 From Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org to Everyone:
To follow along with the RTT: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN [streamtext.net]
15:10:04 From Maureen Hilyard to Everyone:
Great to get these updates because these will feature in the "Whats on for At-Large @ICANN71" session next week. Already sounds interesting!
15:10:15 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
Hello all
15:10:22 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
apologies for being late
15:11:17 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
wooly -- I like that.
15:11:18 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
My guess is that is works less well for those who haven’t participated in earlier meetings and don’t know the people.
15:11:35 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
:-) he is a survivor par excellence!
15:12:01 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
Oh no!!! Say it isn't true JZ.
15:12:05 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
the model has also slowed down processes instead of speeding them up...
15:13:22 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
If I counted the hours spent by everyone altogether on this one 90 minute panel -- well, glacial might cover it
15:14:03 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
@ OCL - interested to hear you say why it has slowed processes - unless it is because F2F meetings can come to agreement more quickly than online
15:14:42 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
Will the blocklist providers be explaining methodology (in general rather than specifically)?
15:14:48 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
‘not displaying the bad guys - where have we heard that before!
15:15:01 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
F2F meetings get things done. Zoom calls don't necessarily
15:15:14 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
Thanks JZ
15:16:52 From Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org to Everyone:
To follow along with the RTT: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN [streamtext.net]
15:17:30 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
They are commercial businesses
15:17:31 From christopher wilkinson to Everyone:
Well, we need the educational aspect. I have no idea what is a blocklioxst. CW
15:17:55 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
@CW, domain blacklists
15:18:02 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
I guess I would word the question as: "Some question the legitimacy of an organisation that rank the reputation of domain names. How is that legitimacy achieved?"
15:18:23 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@CW and IP ranges to be blocked.
15:18:26 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
Thanks OCL - makes things clearer
15:18:37 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
DAAR does some consolidation
15:19:00 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
So will the DAAR role be included in the discussion?
15:19:06 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
Yes
15:20:12 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
TransUnion, Equifax, Experion
15:20:35 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO Chair to Everyone:
Thanks Alan. Good analogy.
15:21:17 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
Remember one potential blocklister/security company a few years ago waffling about the .zip gTLD being the worst gTLD for abuse. The problem was that they were clueless and the gTLD only had one entry in the zone file. Blocklist providers need to be checked before being accepted.
15:25:04 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
What is the new title?
15:25:53 From Maureen Hilyard to Everyone:
New title: ccTLD governance models - Testimonies from At-Large end users
15:26:40 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
Perhaps the pushback from the ccTLDs will be "is the commercialization of ccTLDs a threat to gTLDs" as it might be seen as overreach by ICANN.
15:27:20 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
Thanks -- it looks more workable
15:28:01 From Maureen Hilyard to Everyone:
I agree @John, and probably not something to start a good relationship with the ccNSO
15:28:51 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
If a discussion on the Canadian model would be useful, I could talk about that
15:29:08 From Maureen Hilyard to Everyone:
Thanks Marita
15:29:48 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Maureen Most of the ccTLDs are beating the gTLD numbers in their local markets often by as much as 2:1 on new registrations each month. They will want to protect that.
15:30:15 From Maureen Hilyard to Everyone:
@John - Understandable.
15:30:45 From Heidi Ullrich to Everyone:
Four model 1) gov’t; 2) academic; 3) for profit; 4 ) not for profit
15:30:52 From Heidi Ullrich to Everyone:
Looking for regional /model diversity
15:31:07 From Michael Palage to Everyone:
There was an excellent presentation done on this during ccTLD Tech Day within the last couple of years
15:31:16 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
Yup, CIRA is also not for profit -- but I happy to let seb take the slot
15:31:26 From Michael Palage to Everyone:
Where they broke down each use case
15:31:34 From Maureen Hilyard to Everyone:
/the ccTLD Tech Days are really interesting
15:31:36 From Roberto Gaetano to Everyone:
I think that there are two sets of issues with ccTLDs, one related to business model (gTLD-like behaviour), one related to threats to the net (i.e. use of the wildcard). I think that we have to avoid the former but discuss the latter
15:31:48 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
What about Tuvalu - the revenue is their whole GDP
15:32:08 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Surely it is mainly up to the countries Significantly Interested Parties
15:32:10 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
Guess that’s not technically “commercial,” Holly
15:32:11 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
Agree with Roberto
15:32:16 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
exactly @Holly. So for profit TV is something that really helps the Tuvalu community
15:32:22 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
as defined out of RFC 1591
15:32:27 From Bachollet Sebastien - Euralo to Everyone:
Marita we can do a duo about not for profit
15:32:43 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
Thanks OCL
15:32:51 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
Sure @seb. Happy to do that.
15:33:47 From Maureen Hilyard to Everyone:
@Roberto, but best if our community learns more about how the ccNSO operates before we dive into a serious discussion into commercialisation when it is recognised that they are also businesses.
15:35:14 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
+1 Alan
15:36:12 From Roberto Gaetano to Everyone:
@Maureen - of course, learning about ccTLDs is necessary, because they are a widely diverse set of entities, unlike the inattentive observer might think
15:36:35 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
VIVA FOI!
15:38:24 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone:
Noted
15:38:26 From Michael Palage to Everyone:
end user? end user resident or end user registrant?
15:38:46 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
We need to find end user registrants under each model
15:38:48 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
The problem is that a lot of end users in these countries doen't even know that they need to be protected and may not even be aware that ICANN exists.
15:38:51 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Sounds like a solid plan to me @Hadia
15:39:26 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
so we're looking for an end user to speak about their ccTLD under a government model. One to speak about theirs on not-for-profit... etc.
15:40:45 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Not at all true CW re egageent with At-Large but sorry if you missed the then opportunity to have more influence @CW
15:41:18 From Maureen Hilyard to Everyone:
@Olivier, If its Africa then Barrack might be a good person to pull into this discussion
15:42:24 From Roberto Gaetano to Everyone:
I will be available @Hadia
15:45:02 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
Sounds like a great session
15:45:25 From Greg Shatan to Everyone:
It's a frozen hand...
15:45:48 From Roberto Gaetano to Everyone:
@Greg 
15:47:00 From Lutz Donnerhacke to Everyone:
May we please schow the linked document for this Point?
15:47:26 From Lutz Donnerhacke to Everyone:
https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Workspace+for+the+Transfer+Policy+Review+PDP
15:48:00 From Lutz Donnerhacke to Everyone:
Thanx
15:49:04 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
Interesting questions
15:51:15 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
I think it’s a PERFECT idea
15:52:02 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
Great approach - and we need the questions answered
15:52:31 From Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org to Everyone:
To follow along with the RTT: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN [streamtext.net]
15:52:34 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
I don't not at the outset of a new EPDP but hey what would I know being a PDP novice and all
15:52:54 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
PDP Scopes are carefully crafted these days for a reason!
15:53:56 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Indeed @Alan the ALAC seats are specific in there addition to this charter
15:56:19 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
Someone should be there arguing from the registrants’ view
15:56:57 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
+1 Holly
15:58:07 From Maureen Hilyard to Everyone:
+1 Cheryl
15:58:50 From christopher wilkinson to Everyone:
-1 @CLO
15:59:07 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
It’s not enough that the questions are ‘noted’ - they must, in the end, be answered
15:59:15 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
It is essential that the Registrant voice *is heard* just make sure the tools you use are the optimal ones
15:59:24 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
Might be worth taking a look at the average lifetime of a reseller company. (Have the gTLD stats here with registrars and hosters and have been working on grouping brands and resellers for some time.)
16:00:13 From Maureen Hilyard to Everyone:
@Cheryl.. making use of appropriate tools to get our views across
16:01:07 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
and remember Melisa has offered ongoing help in our capacity nuilding on many of these skills and tools
16:01:44 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Well noted @Greg winning ways is what is needed
16:02:02 From Lutz Donnerhacke to Everyone:
Thanks @CLO .We have to have a look
16:02:57 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
raised my hand, can't see my hand in my phone
16:02:59 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Exactly @JZ amd our Reps need to upskill with the tools to aid them
16:03:22 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
but PDP 3.0 also has powers to mitigate issues *if* they occur
16:04:38 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA to Everyone:
The questions are pre-developed
16:05:47 From alangreenberg to Everyone:
This is not the forum to discuss reformulating ICANN....
16:06:08 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
the upcoming Holistic Review *is* that fora
16:06:18 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
THAT’S gonna be fun!
16:06:42 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
Need a lot of extra popcorn for those discussions.
16:06:48 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
Sorry folks -- have to check out a bit early. See you at more meeting tomorrow
16:07:42 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Told my Cheryl has served many quite will but your choice @CW
16:07:50 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
well not will
16:09:28 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
I also thought that to be most likely @Alan and *if* it is off kilter then the mechaisms exist to redress
16:09:59 From Lutz Donnerhacke to Everyone:
Back to the Question: Yes to the document, or no?
16:10:01 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
+1 Alan - I am also baffled as to why there is not alignment in the TPR-PDP
16:10:30 From Lutz Donnerhacke to Everyone:
thnx
16:10:46 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
from an outsider's view, it seems to be a PDP to improve the ease and security of transfers
16:10:48 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
Yes please - the questions are a valuable approach
16:11:29 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
At the risk of starting a flamewar, has anyone defined "end-user" or does everyone have their own theory on the definition?
16:11:53 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
You did
16:12:05 From Lutz Donnerhacke to Everyone:
@John, we are using the term "registrant" in the document
16:12:13 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
@JM, I’ve certainly taken a wack at it
16:12:21 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Lutz That is much safer.
16:12:28 From Greg Shatan to Everyone:
If the TPR-PDP is not going well, we need to understand not only "why," but also if this is a predictor or foreshadowing of a trend...
16:12:50 From alangreenberg to Everyone:
I would appreciate some time for the EPDP!
16:13:39 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@JZ It will be difficult. :) A certain movie scene about "What have the Romans ever done for us" sprints to mind.
16:13:46 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
and another IDN EPDP to start soon!
16:13:48 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
It’s hanging around your neck now!
16:14:30 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
@JM, I’ve defined it as a bounded description of activities, rather than as a description of a group of people.
16:14:33 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
Cancelled
16:15:01 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
An email was sent a few minutes ago
16:15:07 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
@JZ - I like ‘bounded description of activities”
16:15:28 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
The joy of cancelled EPDP GTLD Registration Data calls
16:15:29 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@JZ it is similar to the registrars/resellers problem in defining what a reseller actually is when it comes to registrations.
16:16:18 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
Exactly @JM.
16:18:56 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
Maybe ALAC should start giving awards for bravery under fire
16:18:57 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Similar to a point I made yesterday in a defrief after the survey and feedback from SubPro with GNSO LT @Alan
16:20:14 From alangreenberg to Everyone:
@Cheryl, did not see when you posted that. Similar point that something is broken where process takes precedence over good policy, or something else?
16:20:41 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Process at cost of good or better outcomes
16:21:00 From alangreenberg to Everyone:
Thx.
16:21:45 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
@Alanit was to GNSO Council Leadership in their call with Jeff and I regarding the results of the survey of PDP Members
16:22:58 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
+1 we were able to resolve some of the issues during the F2F meetings
16:24:41 From Roberto Gaetano to Everyone:
Besides the fact of physical presence, there is a psychological effect that F2F meetings are opportunities that, if you miss, will take months to recover. OTOH, online meetings are a continuum - no big deal in delaying to next week…
16:25:36 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
I have noticed skipping the IGO Work Track
16:27:29 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone:
Governmental Advisory Committee Comment on Subsequent Rounds for New gTLDs Draft Final Report Public Comment Proceeding: https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/164629486/GAC%20Comment%20%28FINAL%29%20-%20%20Subpro%20Final%20Outputs%20for%20ICANN%20Board%20Consideration.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1622589416000&api=v2
16:28:37 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone:
APRALO Statement on GNSO New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Final Outputs for ICANN Board Consideration: https://community.icann.org/x/rYO1CQ
16:29:26 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone:
Bravo APRALO 
16:31:19 From Chokri Ben Romdhane to Everyone:
Thank you all , have a good night
16:31:19 From Maureen Hilyard to Everyone:
Many thanks to Justine and Cheryl for the APRALO document.
16:31:55 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
yes there is an O&E ICANN 71 clash
16:32:49 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
We won't overlap!
16:33:04 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Nope
16:33:05 From Dave Kissoondoyal to Everyone:
Thanks and bye to all
16:33:08 From alberto soto to Everyone:
Thanks,bye bye!!
16:33:15 From Alfredo Calderon (ICANN71 Mentor) to Everyone:
Stay well and keep save!
16:33:16 From Maureen Hilyard to Everyone:
Great discussion. thank you eveyone
16:33:19 From avri doria to Everyone:
I very much enjoyed it. Thanks. Bye.
16:33:24 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Bye for now then...
16:33:28 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
Thanks bye
16:33:30 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone:
Thanks all, see you all next week :)
16:33:54 From Herb Waye Ombuds to Everyone:
Take care all. Stay safe & be kind
16:34:05 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone:
https://www.icann.org/en/announcements/details/icann71-prep-week-schedule-now-available-18-5-2021-en
16:34:51 From Roberto Gaetano to Everyone:
bye all - good call
16:34:52 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
BYe
16:35:05 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
Thanks / Later all.
16:35:16 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone: