Zoom chat: 2021-05-05 At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG)

13:20:17 From Claudia Ruiz to Everyone:
https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
13:20:48 From Claudia Ruiz to Everyone:
Welcome to the At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG) on Wednesday, 05 May 2021 at 20:30 UTC
13:27:16 From Bill Jouris to Everyone:
Passcodes: there's madness to our method
13:27:49 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
One way to put it @Bill ;-)
13:31:37 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone:
Hello all, welcome!
13:32:51 From Heidi Ullrich to Everyone:
Welcome, All.
13:33:16 From Claudia Ruiz to Everyone:
https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
13:34:31 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA to Everyone:
Hi all
13:35:01 From alberto soto to Everyone:
Hello everyone!
13:35:42 From Herb Waye to Everyone:
Greetings all… nope everyone is safe and healthy
13:35:51 From SeB AM Bachollet to Everyone:
No discussion about ALAC & EURALO policy sessions during ICANN71?
13:37:10 From SeB AM Bachollet to Everyone:
Members on behalf of ALAC?
13:37:51 From Lutz Donnerhacke to Everyone:
@SeB seem so
13:38:48 From Melissa Peters Allgood to Everyone:
https://community.icann.org/display/TPRPDP/5.+PDP+Members+and+mailing+list
13:38:52 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
it is a specified balance Yes @CW
13:38:59 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
the design is specific
13:39:08 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
after PDP 3.0 design options
13:40:11 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
indeed PDP 3.0 now has "appointed" members
13:40:14 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
and for the record the SubPro PDP *NEVER* took numbers on calls as indicators for thinking and outcomes NOR did we do so in the final call for Consensus
13:43:41 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
GNSO Council has worked over about 3+ years now on this approach @CW it only came into action late last calander year however
13:44:32 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO Chair to Everyone:
That sounds like the GAC.
13:46:43 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA to Everyone:
Thank you @Melisa
13:50:45 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone:
Had a hard time copy and pasting the passcode
13:52:28 From Internet Australia to Everyone:
Will there be support - such as webinars, etc to bring people up to speed with the issues who aren’t familiar with the topic - and issues?
13:53:28 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Great set up for this important work plan and commitments @Melissa Thank you!
13:54:56 From Roberto Gaetano to Everyone:
How do you establish an objective measure to decide who is “more impacted”? Is it just financial, how do you value immaterial values, etc.
13:54:58 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
I don't see that push back changing @JZ
13:55:17 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
it is hard for others to understand the ALAC specific role sometimes
13:55:47 From Internet Australia to Everyone:
Agree with JZ - what happens when ALAC fundamentally disagrees
13:56:01 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
We just have to support our Reps with the best material we can
13:56:18 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
then have that form the Consensus advice when (and if) given
13:56:18 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
Agree Cheryl
13:57:32 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
that said, I'm a FAN of a representational model for workgroup participation. This is really a different issue.
13:58:42 From Roberto Gaetano to Everyone:
The main reason why it might well be that ALAC fundamentally disagrees is because we might have a different scale of values, so the fundamental question is what is the scale of values used to decide “who is impacted”
13:59:13 From Internet Australia to Everyone:
+! Roberto
14:00:22 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
+1 Roberto
14:00:32 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
We definitely need to voice our POV
14:01:33 From Internet Australia to Everyone:
I still think a webinar on the relevant topic EARLY to the CPWG should help others to come to and support a CPWG POV
14:01:48 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
For sure!
14:03:37 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
for sure we need to present and fight for the ALAC position
14:04:32 From Internet Australia to Everyone:
@ Hadia Which is exactly what you and Alan have done. (and Happy Birthday Hadia
14:07:09 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
Oooh, that's creepy
14:07:11 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
I wonder how sustainable is this model with volunteers.
14:07:54 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
Frankly, our influence is a direct result of our perspective and our consensus. We should be doing this for ALL WGs
14:08:47 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
Agree JZ - it does require a lot of work to continue to be informed on the issue
14:09:44 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Yes some of us have had these roles in the past and still do run the creed ;-0
14:11:01 From Vanda Scartezini - Brazil to Everyone:
sorry was attending ccPDP RM
14:11:17 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Well perhaps if the Alternates and Reps rake the weekly CPWG meetings to catch up that could fill that opportunity
14:11:26 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
take not rake
14:12:14 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
@Holly thank you for the birthday wishes
14:12:27 From Roberto Gaetano to Everyone:
I think Alan has a point
14:12:42 From Gregory Shatan to Everyone:
Sorry to be late.....
14:13:00 From Roberto Gaetano to Everyone:
@Alan - I never thought about that, but it is absolutely correct
14:13:21 From alangreenberg to Everyone:
Careful using the RDS PDP as a model. It failed. BADLY!
14:13:49 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
well noted @Alan
14:14:22 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
This is good practice to get on top of issues EARLY
14:14:48 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
We technically have an additional complication in that ALAC probably needs to approve our positions.
14:14:56 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA to Everyone:
@Alan yes the RDS had a lot of challenges which led to failure to drive consensus
14:15:44 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA to Everyone:
I believe with the new PDP 3.0 a lot of refinement has been done to the Process
14:16:09 From christopher wilkinson to Everyone:
Brilliant discussion of the real issues, but does anyone have a point of view about Transfer Policy?
14:17:07 From alangreenberg to Everyone:
@CW, I have a point of view! It should work and be safe!
14:17:45 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
@Christopher the transfer policy should not be a controversial issue like the EPDP
14:18:19 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
@ Alan - there is a bit more- the balance between protecting the privacy of the parties while ensuring the request for transfer is genuine and implemented as requested.
14:19:11 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
hadia, complicate, or controversial, it is important that the WG gains clarity on issues, solvable or seemingly impossible, all issues, and deliberates on what needs to be done about the problem areas, and comes up with recommendations,
14:19:34 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
@CW, it should work, without having to chase down 4 different organizations to complete it.
14:20:07 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
Now we are on the discussions raised by the ATRT3 and proposals for a ‘holistic review
14:21:30 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA to Everyone:
@Holly, the mission of the review process is to determine if the changes are needed to improve the ease, security and efficacy of inter-registrar and inter-registrant transfers
14:21:53 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@Roberto... perhaps we need a loose separation in structure, and a clear optical distinction between the DNS business constituents of ICANN, and the DNS policy functions.
14:22:58 From Steinar Grøtterød to Everyone:
@Alan Greenberg: Agree - the inter-registrar transfers should work and be safe for all. Also add a good process for disputes.
14:23:22 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
@Sivasubramanian yes for sure, I mainly meant that it is unlikely to have very different opposite positions on the issue. However as Holly says a balance will also be needed
14:24:25 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@hadia... Yes, balance is the ultimate pursuit...
14:24:35 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
wow @Roberto -- many things to keep in mind as this new system moves forward
14:24:58 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
@ Daniel. Agree. However, when the IRTP-D group ended, the one issue we really never solved was what to do about privacy/proxy customers and preserving their privacy, but finding a way to ensure that the transfer is as requested
14:25:40 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Both the GAC and the ALAC respectfully requested 3 seats at the table but it did not come to pass FYI
14:26:33 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@Cheryl, how many seats are there in total, and how are seats distributed between ACs and SOs
14:26:35 From Roberto Gaetano to Everyone:
@Greg - NCSG represents registrants, not users - registrants are still part of the business, even if not commercial
14:26:36 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
?
14:26:43 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
INdeed @Greg that does still effect us in At-Large so thus we need top class and effective representation
14:26:49 From Vanda Scartezini - Brazil to Everyone:
very good point GREG
14:26:50 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
+1 Greg
14:27:45 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
and weighting is required BY the CHair of PDPs npw
14:27:54 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
typos sorry
14:28:17 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
The EPDP started without that requirement
14:28:22 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
but it exists now
14:28:35 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
some of that might be what @Alan is observing
14:29:11 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
there is more *accountability* of Chairs now /going forward
14:29:19 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Replace the Chair
14:29:48 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
that is a nuc solution but it is in the design
14:31:02 From Gregory Shatan to Everyone:
You mean people won't volunteer to beat their heads against the wall, and then come back and do it again?
14:31:19 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Well some do
14:31:43 From Bill Jouris to Everyone:
But a dedication to public service will only go so far.
14:32:41 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
THANK you
14:32:49 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone:
Thank you, Melissa
14:32:52 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
Thank you Melissa for this great discussion
14:32:54 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
Thanks
14:32:58 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
thanks, as always, for joining us!
14:33:16 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Time well spent for setting up this upcoming work
14:33:22 From Vanda Scartezini - Brazil to Everyone:
thanks Melissa!
14:33:29 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
we can hear you Marita
14:33:38 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
If there is still two hours for submissions, what is the link to the URL please?
14:33:56 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
what is the link to the topic submissions form...
14:33:58 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
Yes, the future of the MSM. Light...
14:34:12 From Chokri Ben Romdhane to Everyone:
Hi all sorry for the delay
14:34:35 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone:
Welcome Chokri
14:34:57 From Chokri Ben Romdhane to Everyone:
Thank you Evin, Seems that I miss a lot
14:35:50 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone:
We can share the recording with you afterwards, Chokri - and it will be posted to the agenda page
14:38:45 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
ICANN's role in the Internet Governance ecosystem is not merely to be that of the custodian of the DNS, but as a wider, lead stakeholder shaping Internet Policy and Governance.
14:38:50 From Chokri Ben Romdhane to Everyone:
Thanks Evin
14:39:36 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
... i.e, not merely specialize and focus on DNS matters but play an expanded role.
14:39:37 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone:
Most welcome :)
14:39:47 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Support from me
14:40:14 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
I think you've done a really nice job of combining with the GAC. Gonna be a good session
14:40:18 From Gregory Shatan to Everyone:
Support here!
14:40:21 From Gregory Shatan to Everyone:
Nice job.
14:40:22 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
support
14:40:26 From Sarah Kiden to Everyone:
Supporting too
14:40:38 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
+1 Marita - support for sure
14:41:17 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
Looks good
14:41:21 From Yrjo Lansipuro to Everyone:
+1 Marita
14:41:56 From Roberto Gaetano to Everyone:
Support
14:42:15 From Herb Waye to Everyone:
I must drop off now… take care everyone, stay safe, stay healthy and be kind.
14:42:25 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
Sorry - I have to leave the meeting now - having my first COVID 19 shot!
14:43:03 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone:
Thank you Herb, and good luck Holly! :)
14:43:05 From SeB AM Bachollet to Everyone:
And some of us already vote for the choice of the plenaries
14:45:30 From Vanda Scartezini - Brazil to Everyone:
due the NOMCOM agenda I am not able to nowadays to attending meetings of IGO group. sorry
14:46:55 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
Sorry. Have to leave the call now. Thanks for supporting the session topic proposal
14:51:24 From christopher wilkinson to Everyone:
Leaving the call, it’s getting late. Thank you, all, for a very interesting discussion.
14:51:38 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
you are breaking
14:51:51 From Vanda Scartezini - Brazil to Everyone:
ccPDP Rm - focus on the retirement process - we are discussing the opportunity to insert an step on the process to allow interested parties to have some kind of mediation before final decisions. Samantha from legal staff addressed some suggestions in this direction today and this will be a continued discussion by email.
14:52:06 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
yes
14:53:44 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
(one way to lure the contracted parties is to talk about the possibility that, with this distinction, it becomes possible for Registries / Registrars to charge a cent or two more for artificial persons....
14:53:49 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
)
14:54:00 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
tell them that, you will have consensus :)
14:54:29 From Chokri Ben Romdhane to Everyone:
@Alan I know that you have some objections about the SSAD implementation, did your objections perciste ?
14:56:04 From alangreenberg to Everyone:
@Chokri, they persist.
14:56:09 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
I am done thanks
14:56:36 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
sorry for that
14:56:36 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
I can hear you
14:58:52 From Bill Jouris to Everyone:
Absolutely, gotta be prepared NOW for a future requirement. Which is likely to come from the legal world, if ICANN cannot get it together to do it.
14:59:49 From alangreenberg to Everyone:
pLEASE DO NOT REMOVE.
14:59:58 From alangreenberg to Everyone:
Oops, sorry for caps
15:00:00 From Vanda Scartezini - Brazil to Everyone:
i have another work meeting stating at this top of hour! thank you all
15:00:50 From Gregory Shatan to Everyone:
Vapor Presentations?
15:01:05 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
But we'll have a draft BEFORE that
15:01:14 From Laurin Benedikt Weissinger to Everyone:
I would be happy to help draft the DAAR comment once that opens up. Hope that someone else would be interested.
15:01:24 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone:
Thank you Laurin, noted
15:01:32 From Laurin Benedikt Weissinger to Everyone:
Thanks!
15:01:40 From Laurin Benedikt Weissinger to Everyone:
Need to run on time, thanks all and bye!
15:01:42 From Gregory Shatan to Everyone:
Yes draft first and then discussion next week after everyone has read it thoroughly.
15:01:58 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
perhaps we're back to pithy?
15:02:13 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone:
@olivier tor face is all whitened out so you may want to move the light
15:03:12 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Nothing from me
15:03:39 From Raymond Mamattah (ICANN70 Fellow) to Everyone:
Nothing from me
15:04:15 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
Thank you all - bye for today
15:04:18 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
for now
15:04:23 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA to Everyone:
Thank you all
15:04:23 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Bye
15:04:24 From Gregory Shatan to Everyone:
@OCL, sorry you are bleached.
15:04:26 From alberto soto to Everyone:
Thanks, bye bye!!
15:04:28 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA to Everyone:
Bye
15:04:34 From Chokri Ben Romdhane to Everyone:
Thank you all
15:04:36 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone:
Thanks all! As always
15:04:41 From Roberto Gaetano to Everyone:
Bye all
15:05:11 From Heidi Ullrich to Everyone:
.Thanks, All.
15:05:17 From Sarah Kiden to Everyone:
Thank you