10:47:13 From Claudia Ruiz : Welcome to the ALS Mobilization Working Party Call
10:59:57 From Amrita Choudhury : Hi everyone
11:00:08 From David Mackey : Hi Amrita
11:00:09 From Sarah Kiden : Hi everyone
11:00:25 From David Mackey : … and Sarah … and everyone :-)
11:00:27 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Hi all
11:00:32 From Herb Waye : Greetings all
11:00:41 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Hey Herb
11:01:10 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Yes
11:02:30 From Jacqueline Morris : Hello everyone
11:07:40 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Can we not acopy Peter
11:07:57 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : sorry hit send
11:08:27 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : can we not just copy this inserted text and put it on the side IN a comment then?
11:08:37 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : so we have clean text to work with
11:08:46 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : and keep the annottions
11:08:49 From Jacqueline Morris : BUT that is exactly what the note says...
11:09:56 From Jacqueline Morris : Do we need to discuss this given that the wording is clear?
11:10:07 From Maureen Hilyard : +1 Jacqueline
11:11:04 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : My above comment re moving the comment text to actual comment goes for all inserted text BTW
11:11:18 From Jacqueline Morris : +1 Cheryl
11:11:51 From Judith Hellerstein : i agree with Sarah
11:12:08 From Sarah Kiden : Noted
11:12:31 From Justine Chew : Click on the cross
11:16:08 From Alperen Eken : Everyone, I sent a video to the WP email list regarding how to make comments. Please do not comment IN-TEXT so that it will be easier for everyone to follow.
11:16:26 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Thanks ALp
11:16:35 From Ali AlMeshal : Yes , it was clearly explained by Cheryl
11:16:59 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : other way is to close all these docs down to Comment only and allow only a single or few specified editors
11:17:13 From Jacqueline Morris : Good idea CHeryl
11:17:32 From Justine Chew : ICANN Bylaws
11:17:33 From Sarah Kiden : Agree with comment only. +1 Cheryl
11:17:44 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Nadiri I will upskill you later if you like Nadira
11:18:24 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : it is the ALAC that accredits an ALS on behalf of ICANN
11:18:43 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : ALAC is the ICANN Advisory COmmittee
11:20:08 From Nadira Al Araj : Thank you Alan, I would like to read more @Cheryl I will reach out to you later,
11:20:16 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : NP
11:20:26 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : you know how to find me/us
11:20:27 From Alperen Eken : Unfortunately, “Only Commenting” but “No in-text suggestion” is not possible on GDocs :(
11:23:40 From Herb Waye : I will be up to speed at least :-)
11:24:29 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Insufficient information available?
11:25:21 From Justine Chew : +1 CLO, guardrails
11:25:33 From Sarah Kiden : This scenario has happened maybe twice. The applicants on both occasions were new organisations
11:25:47 From Sarah Kiden : Insufficient information sounds good
11:25:54 From Maureen Hilyard : Provisional membership for a period of time would enable and ALS to learn more about what ICANN does. Many ALSes get accepted and then down the track realise that they are not a good fit.
11:26:28 From Maureen Hilyard : And then never participate
11:26:32 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : True @Maureen but that then is a whole new class of ALSes
11:26:46 From Justine Chew : I don't like the idea of provisional membership
11:26:56 From David Mackey : +1 Justine
11:27:23 From Maureen Hilyard : How does EURALO find that works in their region?
11:27:28 From Justine Chew : I'm not even sure what EURALO has is kosher.
11:27:28 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : not impossible @Maureens again great care and consideration if being designed]
11:28:38 From David Mackey : I’d prefer to make a clear decision under a stated time period, and allow a new application in the future if the application is rejected.
11:28:45 From Justine Chew : !!
11:29:08 From Sarah Kiden : Agree @David!
11:29:43 From Jacqueline Morris : +1 David
11:30:04 From Justine Chew : Why have provisional membership? Exactly Alan's quesiton
11:30:10 From Nadira Al Araj : good to have consistency in the process for all RALOs
11:30:33 From Justine Chew : And what privileges does "provisional membership" grant?
11:31:02 From Judith Hellerstein : yes. i never understood that
11:33:09 From Nadira Al Araj : previously, they used to get the travel support for the General assembly
11:33:13 From silvia.vivanco : Hello all
11:33:44 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Indeed @Alan
11:33:54 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : it is the terminology here
11:34:46 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : And as I understand it David ALL At-Large activities are like ALAC OPEN by default
11:34:52 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : and rarely closed
11:34:53 From Maureen Hilyard : @Nadira, only a recognised ALS and individual delegate is entitled to travel funding to GAs,
11:35:03 From Nadira Al Araj : +1 for observers
11:35:16 From Jacqueline Morris : I'm far more comfortable with "observer status" - as it obtains in LACRALO
11:35:22 From Maureen Hilyard : I like observer status
11:35:35 From Roberto : +1 observer
11:35:55 From Amrita Choudhury : Observer seems good
11:35:58 From Sarah Kiden : Observer status is good
11:36:52 From Jacqueline Morris : I believe that "provisional membership" might be problematic - Alberto Soto would be better poised to comment than I am, but the legal understanding in LA is very different from in the Caribbean.
11:37:30 From Roberto : +1 Jacqueline
11:38:41 From silvia.vivanco : I think the word observer is better as the “provisional” might imply that the person will want to become a member /maybe they prefer to stay as observers
11:39:34 From Herb Waye : just use “pending”
11:39:36 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : I do NOT see any reason for the class of "Membership" at all IF as it is today our activities in At-Large are open to observers anyway
11:39:49 From Justine Chew : But I don't actually like the idea of provisional membership at all. To me observer is different to provisional member.
11:40:00 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : +1 Justine
11:40:07 From David Mackey : +1 Justine
11:40:18 From silvia.vivanco : I agree Justine
11:40:33 From Herb Waye : Prospect?
11:40:38 From Ali AlMeshal : Agree with Justine
11:40:41 From Judith Hellerstein : yes. i agree with Alan here
11:40:45 From Amrita Choudhury : Agree with Justine
11:42:11 From David Mackey : State in the doc “Observer with speaking privileges”
11:42:47 From David Mackey : agreed :-)
11:44:17 From Maureen Hilyard : We should clearly define 'observer" status within our own RoPs. What happens with Individual members who are "observers"? Do they have speaking rights, etc?
11:44:55 From Bastiaan Goslings : (I think) In line with what Cheryl says: why argue why NOT to use the term ‘provisional membershipÁ, in stead come up with a reason why we should use this term. I have not heard one yet.
As far as I’m concerned, just say ‘applicant’. And then, after approval, it becomes a ‘member’, an ALS.
11:45:07 From Roberto : I don’t think that we need to specify “with speaking privileges”. The clean way to solve this is to create an “Observer” class and define who can be in that class (for instance, ALSes who are pending decision) and what are the rights.
11:45:13 From Heidi Ullrich : ICANN Bylaws: (E) Once the criteria and standards have been established as provided in this Section 12.2(d)(ix), the ALAC, with the advice and participation of the RALO where the applicant is based, shall be responsible for certifying organizations as meeting the criteria and standards for At-Large Structure accreditation.
11:45:46 From Roberto : We can use “Observer” also for solving other problems, for instance about ALSes spanning over multiple regions
11:45:58 From Jacqueline Morris : In LACRALO observers are clearly defined, along with their rights.
11:46:03 From David Mackey : @Maureen, we need to find wording that allows/encourages organizations and individuals to participate before they officially submit an application to join
11:46:42 From Jacqueline Morris : Agreed, Alan
11:46:44 From Bastiaan Goslings : @David: maybe emphasise that everyone can join lists, calls, and can participate etc
11:46:47 From Roberto : @Jacqueline - other regions might decide to differ
11:47:06 From silvia.vivanco : @ all ICANN By-Laws article 12 for reference
11:47:13 From silvia.vivanco : (E) Once the criteria and standards have been established as provided in this Section 12.2(d)(ix), the ALAC, with the advice and participation of the RALO where the applicant is based, shall be responsible for certifying organizations as meeting the criteria and standards for At-Large Structure accreditation.
11:47:19 From David Mackey : +1 Bastiaan. Let’s let Alan work on the wording and get back to the WP
11:47:32 From silvia.vivanco : https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/governance/bylaws-en/#article12
11:47:52 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Thanks @Silvia
11:48:34 From silvia.vivanco : You are very welcome Cheryl
11:48:36 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Correct !Alan
11:50:23 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Alan note Silvia has copied the Bylaw sec in chat above as well
11:50:41 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Understood now Peters but that is NOT what you wrote
11:51:30 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Nor does what this refer to conflict with the ICANN Bylaws, and it has been carefully vetted by ICANN Legal to ensure that is the case
11:51:41 From silvia.vivanco : https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/governance/bylaws-en/#article12
11:51:56 From silvia.vivanco : By-Laws link above
11:52:10 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : That refer to changes TO the Rules, we are not doing so
11:53:20 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Those sections do NOT give power as you posse to the RALOs but we can get ICAN Legal opinion in that Peters to reassure you
11:53:46 From Jacqueline Morris : This document doesn't remove the right of appeal to the Board
11:54:21 From Remmy Nweke : @Cheryl, I think it will be nice to have ICANN legal to avoid working across purposes.
11:54:25 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Any Bylaw changes proposed go through all the normal Rigor For Such changes including full ICANN Community wide review
11:54:32 From silvia.vivanco : Articles mentioned for your convenience
11:54:35 From silvia.vivanco : (F) Decisions to certify or decertify an At-Large Structure shall be made as decided by the ALAC in its rules of procedure, save always that any changes made to the rules of procedure in respect of an At-Large Structure applications shall be subject to review by the RALOs and by the Board.
(G) Decisions as to whether to accredit, not to accredit, or disaccredit an At-Large Structure shall be subject to review according to procedures established by the Board.
11:54:45 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Remmy there are No cross purposes actually,
11:55:53 From Jacqueline Morris : I'm confused as to the issue under discussion here..
11:56:02 From Remmy Nweke : Just for us to be on the same page than wasting time on subject line only to discover it does not tally with ICANN bottom rules.
11:56:30 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : but people often feel comfort from a "ruling" from "on high" so to speak
11:56:35 From David Mackey : We may be in agreement that we need to follow ICANN bylaws
11:56:57 From Maureen Hilyard : +1 David
11:57:04 From Sarah Kiden : +1 David
11:57:18 From Jacqueline Morris : But the ByeLaws are (I thought) considered by everyone all the time...
11:57:24 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : I doubt you are alone this was simply a reference as to HOW ALAC decision in the case for its vote on an ALS Accreditation when it does so
11:57:26 From Judith Hellerstein : i will have to leave shortly for the Naralo meeting
11:57:40 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : SOme of us have an excellent working knowledge indeed @Alan correct
11:57:45 From David Mackey : I’m leaving to NARALO meeting soon too
11:57:51 From Jacqueline Morris : +1 Alan
11:59:02 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : ICANN Legal also advises and checks in the process as well, s we should be able to rest assured (even if you don't agree with each other) that things frome the ALAC Rules etc., will be checked to ensure compliance and non conflict with ICANN ByLaws
11:59:20 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Bye @David
11:59:26 From silvia.vivanco : I am leaving to join NARALO now
11:59:30 From David Mackey : Bye All
11:59:35 From silvia.vivanco : thank you for this discussion
12:01:05 From Herb Waye : stay safe everyone
12:01:07 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Good progress
12:01:15 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Thanks @Alan
12:01:16 From Sarah Kiden : Thank you all!
12:01:22 From Amrita Choudhury : Thank you and bye for now
12:02:02 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong : thanks you and bye
12:02:13 From Ali AlMeshal : Thanks , bye all
12:04:38 From Sarah Kiden : Can we discuss this next week?
12:05:52 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Be better to actual move onto OUR actual work next week
12:05:53 From Jacqueline Morris : These relationships are documented. I was chair at the time of the determination of the MoU relationship between the RALOs and ICANN.
12:06:04 From Roberto : I must leave now - and we are not solving this point in the next minutes
12:06:11 From Roberto : Bye
12:06:42 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Bye Roberto more next week my friend
12:07:10 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : ONLY to look at ALS Mobilisation
12:07:23 From Jacqueline Morris : And there is documented legal support for that. I advise that it be looked up. This is NOT what this WG is about.
12:07:26 From Ali AlMeshal : bye all
12:07:30 From Sarah Kiden : Thank you!
12:07:34 From Jacqueline Morris : Bye everyone
12:07:40 From Nadira Al Araj : it would be great to provide us a clean document(s)
12:07:44 From Maureen Hilyard : thanks everyone
