Zoom chat: 2020-04-16 Consolidated Policy Working Group Single Issue Call: "CPE Guidelines"

15:37:09 From Yeşim Nazlar : Welcome to the Consolidated Policy Working Group Single Issue Call: "CPE Guidelines" taking place on Thursday, 16 April 2020 at 13:00 UTC.
15:37:20 From Yeşim Nazlar : Agenda: https://community.icann.org/x/uoDfBw
15:51:27 From Evin Erdoğdu : Hello all, welcome.
15:55:13 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : if calls are consistently set up at times that clash with other long standing call commitments that I have I need to choose a priority for my phone line connection, sorry... but let's face it I am fairly advanced in my knowledge on the matter of CPE, so being mainly in listen mode should do no harm IMO
15:57:06 From sergio salinas porto LACRALO : hi all
16:00:17 From Michel TCHONANG : Hi everyone
16:00:18 From sergio salinas porto LACRALO : Please call me at +54 9 223 5 215819
16:00:35 From Yeşim Nazlar : Sergio- the operator is dialing out to you
16:00:47 From sergio salinas porto LACRALO : ok thnaks yesim!
16:01:14 From davekissoondoyal : Hello everyone
16:01:38 From Katambi Joan (ISOC UGANDA) : @Yesim can the volume be increased for the speakers
16:02:09 From MAZZONE - ebu : thanks yes….
16:02:18 From Roberto : Ciao Giacomo
16:02:58 From Jonathan Zuck : Hello everyone
16:03:19 From Aris Ignacio : Hello everyone!
16:03:25 From Chokri Ben Romdhane : Hi all
16:03:36 From Heidi Ullrich : Welcome, All.
16:03:37 From Jaewon Son : hi all!
16:06:53 From Marita Moll : I think he means Justine!
16:06:54 From Jonathan Zuck : Sorry! 5am
16:07:58 From Holly Raiche : @JZ - 5am - a reasonable time - no excuse!
16:08:49 From Jonathan Zuck : @Holly, 3am would be fine because I would just stay up. Getting up early is hard for me!
16:09:16 From Yeşim Nazlar : @All - the participants list will be updated after the call.
16:09:53 From Bill Jouris : What Jonathan said!
16:10:03 From Chokri Ben Romdhane : Bonjour Claire (Frensh interpreter) j'espere que vous vous portez bien ainsi que tous les membres de la famille
16:10:10 From Holly Raiche : @JZ - being a morning g person, 5 is fine, but much earlier…….
16:10:44 From Jonathan Zuck : I went through 26 slides!
16:12:00 From Chokri Ben Romdhane : HI @Michel
16:12:25 From Bill Jouris : @Holly, a *real* morning person is one who is up at the beginning of the morning. I.e. 1 AM. ;-)
16:13:06 From Holly Raiche : @ Bill - zoo way….
16:13:14 From Holly Raiche : Sorry - NO way
16:13:55 From Bill Jouris : @Holly. I understand. After all, it's early....
16:15:55 From Holly Raiche : @ Bill - not here…
16:20:24 From Marita Moll : Fairness includes including various point of view, perspectives
16:21:28 From Marita Moll : community specialists are essential
16:21:56 From Bill Jouris : @Holly - But Americans are (in)famously self-centered. ;-)
16:22:58 From Yrjo Lansipuro : Council of Europe report suggests a definition of “community”: Any group of individuals or any legal entities brought together in order to collectively act, express, promote, pursue or defend a field of common interests
16:23:02 From Marita Moll : Highlighting the linked subcriteria is a really good point. People are being penalized twice
16:24:25 From Bill Jouris : Deciding whether something is really "resolved" can be a challenge, however
16:27:48 From Holly Raiche : @ Yrjo - true is a much broader definition - but is it too broad ?
16:30:07 From Yrjo Lansipuro : @Holly - It’s broad but on the other hand, I think is has to be to include the great variety of what communities can be
16:30:33 From Marita Moll : @yrjo/holly -- we did kick this around in the last comment. Rather than a definition, there needs to be clear guidelines on how community is understood
16:31:44 From Marita Moll : or interpreted
16:33:59 From Holly Raiche : @ Marita - what words d you suggest for a guideline?
16:34:54 From Marita Moll : @Holly -- I think we are developing those guidelines
16:36:40 From Holly Raiche : Again - the problem with objective metrics may to too specific.
16:38:06 From Yrjo Lansipuro : IMO, the beauty of the CoE definition is that the group having common intesrests is “brought together” - not necessarily “organised”
16:38:19 From Holly Raiche : Maybe it would be useful to read WHY the ‘gay’ application was refused - because it wasn’t THE ONLY organisation for the ‘community’
16:38:29 From Marita Moll : I think the key to reaching some fairness here is to break the hold of people with one perspective on that committee
16:39:26 From Holly Raiche : @ Marita- agree - that goes to the composition of the evaluaters
16:39:29 From Chokri Ben Romdhane : Thank you Olivier Totaly agree with you
16:39:47 From Holly Raiche : Agree with OCL and Alan.
16:40:09 From Michel TCHONANG : +1 Olivier
16:41:48 From Marita Moll : I would stick with reasonable -- that leaves some flexiblity
16:42:01 From Holly Raiche : The word reasonable helps - but guidelines would also help - with examples - such as what OCL used - the Roma community
16:44:17 From Holly Raiche : So a process issue here - panels at the least to be consulted about ‘community’ applications
16:47:41 From Jonathan Zuck : A series of scenarios would help a LOT, I believe
16:47:59 From Jonathan Zuck : A bit like “legislative intent.”
16:48:20 From Holly Raiche : +1 JZ
16:51:02 From Lutz Donnerhacke : I've to leave, thank you for the input
16:57:18 From Alan Greenberg : Have to leave now.
16:58:22 From MAZZONE - ebu : i propose to give time to the newcomers (like me) to make proposals of wording into the existing text.
16:58:48 From Holly Raiche : I think we need another call
16:58:49 From León Felipe Sánchez Ambía : i have to leave. my apologies
16:58:57 From León Felipe Sánchez Ambía : thanks everyone
16:59:05 From davekissoondoyal : yes another call
16:59:32 From Alberto Soto : Yes, anther call please
16:59:51 From Michel TCHONANG : we can give ourselves 30 minutes if the interpreters agree
16:59:53 From Holly Raiche : Have to leave but will be on the next call.
17:00:34 From Alberto Soto : I let this call go. Thanks, bye bye!
17:01:23 From Chokri Ben Romdhane : Thank you Justine and all see you in the next call
17:01:55 From MAZZONE - ebu : perfect. i'll do. on this point 1/a delineation: i suggest to add a specific criteria that is "recognition by International organization spcialized in that specific field"
17:02:58 From Katambi Joan (ISOC UGANDA) : Thanks Justine, Jonathan and the entireTeam for putting up this document, so sorry I have to leave for another meeting.
17:02:59 From Roberto : I have to leave, sorry
17:05:40 From Marita Moll : Quite funny that such a major player in the internet world, a world which has enabled virtual communities, now wants to privilege membership based communities
17:06:12 From MAZZONE - ebu : mine is in the chat
17:06:47 From Marita Moll : no, these are great suggestions
17:06:48 From Jonathan Zuck : Agree with your changes, Justine!
17:07:08 From Yeşim Nazlar : @All - We’re extending this call for extra 30 mins
17:07:44 From Michel TCHONANG : Ok thank Yesim
17:08:04 From Yeşim Nazlar : sorry have no idea what’s wrong with my line, even though unmuted, you can not hear me
17:13:23 From MAZZONE - ebu : delineation of the Community : for civils rights communities, for political entities delineation is totally different from structured communities with global social recognition and no problem in delineation…. example of support to DOT.gay that could be considered a criminal act in certain countries...
17:16:23 From Michel TCHONANG : There will also be the constion of the transversality of the constitution of the countries within the framework of the definition of the community and the habits and customs
17:16:58 From MAZZONE - ebu : this is the point that killed DOT.gay.
17:17:05 From MAZZONE - ebu : look Athis map: https://www.humandignitytrust.org/lgbt-the-law/map-of-criminalisation/
17:19:04 From sergio salinas porto LACRALO : +1 Christopher
17:22:29 From MAZZONE - ebu : fine with the cosmetic change proposed. the real issue is the scoring mechanism.
17:22:40 From Marita Moll : +1 at trying to get rid of the bias
17:24:47 From Bill Jouris : I'm not entirely sure I understand why a community which is legal in some places shouldn't get a registration, just because it is illegal in some other places. It's not like anyone is being forced to become a "member"
17:25:22 From Bill Jouris : Or to register a domain name in a TLD which is illegal where they live
17:27:15 From Marita Moll : If there were community specialists on the scoring teams, would it not help restore some balance in scoring
17:27:28 From Michel TCHONANG : I think it would be very important to give meaning to the word community in our opinion, otherwise it will be very complicated
17:29:56 From MAZZONE - ebu : if some criteria Don't Apply, these points need to be sterilized from the account….
17:30:06 From Marita Moll : Good place to stop, but covered a lot of ground
17:30:27 From Michel TCHONANG : ok thank you all for this good meeting bye bye
17:30:29 From davekissoondoyal : ok thanks and bye to all
17:30:31 From sergio salinas porto LACRALO : byeeeeeee
17:30:41 From Jaewon Son : thank you!
17:30:45 From Justine Chew : That woud be great, thank you all for participating.
17:30:46 From Aris Ignacio : thank you so much! stay safe
17:30:50 From Marita Moll : Bye all. Thanks Justine
17:30:55 From Evin Erdoğdu : Thank you!