Andrea Glandon: (1/9/2019 13:35) Welcome to the At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG) Call held on Wednesday, 09 January 2019 at 21:00 UTC.
Andrea Glandon: (13:35) Wiki Agenda Page: https://community.icann.org/x/y4oWBg
Evin Erdoğdu: (14:53) Hello all, welcome
Lilian Ivette De Luque: (14:53) Hello all happy new year
Alfredo Calderon: (14:57) Hola de nuevo @Lilian, @Joanna and Staff. Hello to all! Happy New Year for those that celebrate it! As some may know here in Puerto Rico our Christmas ends after the Festivities oe San Sebantian Street.https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.miagendapr.com_event_fiestas-2Dde-2Dla-2Dcalle-2Dsan-2Dsebastian-2D2019_&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=k7uKdjSb7_ZjItyVqrCYHo_rKms9SFxlmbYEJqG-y9I&m=zbkHNAh-igslCOnvkGR3mHAzlp01zMevrDY_-dFe8iY&s=VCSlFoqvCyjZPfspKyX7qVYkCgZyoOh8W0ubxTXR6qM&e=
Glenn McKnight: (14:58) Hi
Lilian Ivette De Luque: (14:59) great alfredo
Alberto Soto: (15:00) Hello again!
Alfredo Calderon: (15:01) @Alberto, saludos de nuevo. Hoy ha sido un día largo para varios.
Lilian Ivette De Luque: (15:01) bastante movido
Lilian Ivette De Luque: (15:01) hola alberto!
Alberto Soto: (15:02) Asi es, y no asisti al webinar porque estaba viajando
Alberto Soto: (15:02) Hola Lilian!!
Nadira Alaraj: (15:04) o allhell
Lilian Ivette De Luque: (15:04) hello nadira!
Nadira Alaraj: (15:04) sorry for the auto typing
Evin Erdoğdu: (15:04) Action Items 19 December: https://community.icann.org/x/fwj_BQ
John Laprise: (15:05) Sorry for my tardiness
Nadira Alaraj: (15:05) hi Lillian
Abdulkarim Oloyede: (15:05) hi
Vanda Scartezini: (15:05) hi everyone
Alberto Soto: (15:05) Hello! Please, can you call me at 54 11 5368 1318 ?
Andrea Glandon: (15:05) No slide deck
Andrea Glandon: (15:05) Hadia is not on the bridge right now, we are trying to reconnect
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (15:06) thanks @Andrea -- I noticed thus Alan's speaking first
Andrea Glandon: (15:06) Thank you!
Andrea Glandon: (15:06) We have Hadia back on audio
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (15:07) Thanks @Andrea
Andrea Glandon: (15:07) You're welcome!
John Laprise: (15:10) Agreed Alan
Jonathan Zuck: (15:10) it's not about us having clever people. THEY can always comment. It's about interests of end users.
Vanda Scartezini: (15:13) impossible to udnerstand
Sebastien: (15:13) Not understandable
Alfredo Calderon: (15:13) Difficult to understand...
Vanda Scartezini: (15:14) sorry hadia you need to be called
A- Eduardo Díaz: (15:14) the sound is too choppy
Vanda Scartezini: (15:14) no
John Laprise: (15:15) better for me
Alfredo Calderon: (15:16) Sounds good.
Abdulkarim Oloyede: (15:16) gone poor again
A- Eduardo Díaz: (15:16) No good
Vanda Scartezini: (15:16) not better ...
Alfredo Calderon: (15:16) Sounded better for a moment.
Andrea Glandon: (15:17) finding the line
Christopher Wilkinson: (15:18) Qestion: I have seen several complaints about the extraterrestrial application of GDPR. Most recently from American Motion Picture Association. How should ICANLN handle that?
Vanda Scartezini: (15:18) thnaks for the update Alan, does not sound it is going so good as we expected... hope the F2F will be better
Andrea Glandon: (15:19) Hadia back on the audio bridge
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (15:19) thanks
Alfredo Calderon: (15:19) Much better
Vanda Scartezini: (15:19) much better
A- Eduardo Díaz: (15:19) LOt better
Alberto Soto: (15:20) I believe that extraterritoriality is not an ICANN issue, it should be analyzed by governments
Glenn McKnight: (15:24) We have a ISOC SIG on Interplanary SIG
Greg Shatan: (15:25) It’s not really a government issue. As a practical matter, it’s an issue for private parties.
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (15:25) There have been concerns about extra-territoriality of GDPR but this really is outside the realm of ICANN
Vanda Scartezini: (15:25) I agree with greg , is among parties
Alberto Soto: (15:26) It is a subject that each government must see, since it affects a citizen or company in their country.
Christopher Wilkinson: (15:27) Chat Silence?
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (15:29) The devil is in the details themselves, and if rules wre adhered to strictly then it might be able to decide what is related and what is not related to ICANN on a domain per domain basis. But the stance that the WG has taken is to put it all in the same bucket.
Greg Shatan: (15:29) Alberto, on a higher level (e.g., sovereignty) it is also a concern of governments, and some governments may push back on this aspect of GDPR....
Alberto Soto: (15:30) Ok Greg
Greg Shatan: (15:33) FYI, the thrust of the MPAA comment on extraterritoriality is that ICANN should not apply GDPR beyond the boundaries set forth in GDPR itself.
Greg Shatan: (15:34) I don’t read their comment to suggest defying GDPR or the EU.
John Laprise: (15:35) At my nonprofit, the MPAA position would be and is a non-starter. It's not a defensible position to protect some PII better
John Laprise: (15:36) The MPAA position would drive registrants to the EU.
Greg Shatan: (15:36) As I understand the MPAA position, it is simply that the GDPR should be applied as the GDPR says, but no further.
Greg Shatan: (15:37) In other words, it’s not acceptable to act as if the whole world is the EU.
Andrea Glandon: (15:37) https://community.icann.org/display/alacpolicydev/At-Large+Workspace%3A+Initial+Report+of+the+Expedited+Policy+Development+Process+%28EPDP%29+on+the+Temporary+Specification+for+gTLD+Registration+Data+Team
Andrea Glandon: (15:38) https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=102139172
Justine Chew: (15:38) @Evin, FYI I updated the summary for the SubPro Supp Initial Report a little bit on the agenda page.
Greg Shatan: (15:38) Not sure why that would be a non-starter anywhere, except for the purpose of expediency (or if one wants to adopt a company policy that acts like GDPR outside the scope of GDPR).
Evin Erdoğdu: (15:38) Thank you @Justine, noted
John Laprise: (15:38) Right but at the practical level, it protects PII of EU residents "better." Orgs that want stronger privacy protection would find an EU resident surrogate.
Greg Shatan: (15:40) True, but that’s because its core intent is to protect “individuals in the Union.”
Alberto Soto: (15:42) I'm sorry, I must go to another meeting, bye!
Maureen Hilyard: (15:42) im assuming that the ALAC will contribute some comment to the strategic plan.. and would appreciate some input from this group - thank you Marita
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (15:43) I would think so @Maureen
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (15:43) and YES I think we should do something in the Specific Review Standards
Avri Doria: (15:46) As a member of the OEC I personally think having ALAC look at what is changing would be a good. Things like your review are among the motivators for tweaks.
Avri Doria: (15:47) even those these are the specific and not organizational
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (15:49) Indeed @Avri
Nadira Alaraj: (15:49) good point Avri
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (15:49) as Did I as an Individual\
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (15:50) An earlier update in 2018, though: https://community.icann.org/display/alacpolicydev/At-Large+Workspace%3A+Next+Steps+on+Reviews --- which looked at the length of Reviews
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (15:51) Just the highlights Greg :-)
Greg Shatan: (15:52) I would have no beef with choosing restaurants in Kobe.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (15:52) I DID
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (15:52) both of them
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (15:53) Agree Alan so happy to have input and look forward to Gregs Hiighlights review
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (15:53) Yes ATRT is VERY limited
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (15:53) an ALAC comment will be the best if possible
Greg Shatan: (15:54) I will focus on the top 150 issues.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (15:54) Some experience indeed!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (15:54) Argh @Greg!!!!
Evin Erdoğdu: (15:54) Amendment to the IANA Naming Functions Contract, Annex A: https://community.icann.org/display/alacpolicydev/At-Large+Workspace%3A+Amendment+to+the+IANA+Naming+Functions+Contract%2C+Annex+A
Justine Chew: (15:55) @OCL, @JZ, I'd like to give 10 of 15 minutes of item 5.1 in the agenda to the Wt5 presentation which I think needs more time, now more than I do for Neustar's proposal.
Jonathan Zuck: (15:56) ok
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (15:57) 5.1 has 15 minutes already. Are you saying it would have 30 minutes?
Justine Chew: (15:58) @OCL, no, I want to give away 10 minutes to Marita
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (15:58) ok
Jonathan Zuck: (15:58) right, a unique perspective
Greg Shatan: (15:59) Unless there’s a gotcha hidden in the doc, I think we would support it, either by making a statement or by just staying quiet.
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond: (15:59) ok -- other way around. Understood. Thx.
Justine Chew: (16:03) Sorry I don't quite know what happened with the cross icons in the earlier 2 slides
Maureen Hilyard: (16:06) Agree Avri
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (16:10) Thank you all so much a very clear, concise and yet comprehensive approach to what we ll recognise as a complex issue
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (16:11) 22nd Jan is the date
Greg Shatan: (16:12) Please state the estimate in hours.
Greg Shatan: (16:12) :-)
Tijani BEN JEMAA: (16:14) Justine is right
Greg Shatan: (16:15) Unfortunately, we can’t comment on the slides....
Alan Greenberg: (16:15) Impressive piece of work on a really complicated area.
Justine Chew: (16:16) @Greg, use the slides as guide and comment on the googledoc
Greg Shatan: (16:18) It would be far easier to put the relevant slide content into the Google Doc.
Greg Shatan: (16:18) Far easier for those commenting on the comment, that is.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (16:20) audio??
Andrea Glandon: (16:20) They are calling you back Cheryl
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (16:20) Oh never mind I will just use AC for the end
Andrea Glandon: (16:20) okay
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (16:21) I'm kinda over having the earpiece in anyway (since my 0200 ;-)
Andrea Glandon: (16:21) :)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (16:22) Most helpful if you can Evin Thank you
Greg Shatan: (16:22) Evin, hopefully you have a PPT version so you can cut and paste.
Greg Shatan: (16:25) WT5 is still a GNSO process....
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (16:26) It most certainly is Greg a part of the SubPro PDP
Justine Chew: (16:26) Yes, agree with Marita on the comment of using slides as the guide
Maureen Hilyard: (16:26) Thank you Justine, Marita and Yrjo for the work you have done on this presentation!
Greg Shatan: (16:26) although every effort has been made to accommodate all elements of the community (who are welcome to participate in ANY GNSO Working Group).
Vanda Scartezini: (16:27) thanks to all very good meeting... need to close form my side.
hadia Elminiawi: (16:28) thank you Justine, Marta and yrjo
Greg Shatan: (16:28) There is no “official” worldwide list of cities....
Greg Shatan: (16:29) Jurisdictions have many different definitions of “city”
Greg Shatan: (16:31) The answer is “it depends”....
Christopher Wilkinson: (16:31) Cities? I do not see any basis for distinguishing between a 'city' and any other goegraphical term.
Justine Chew: (16:31) World domination!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (16:31) ;-)
Greg Shatan: (16:32) I think one can distinguish between a city and a body of water....
Andrea Glandon: (16:32) Justine, you have control of the presentation
Maureen Hilyard: (16:32) Yes Olivier both were to be discussed in the FBSC but we ran out of time at the last meeting
Greg Shatan: (16:33) I will have to jump off soon as I expect another call.
Alan Greenberg: (16:34) Need to leave now...\
Greg Shatan: (16:34) Maybe we should stop calling it the Neustar Proposal.
Greg Shatan: (16:34) Then we can discuss it.
Yrjö Länsipuro: (16:35) Yes, Greg. I think the fundamental difference is between (1) administrative units of any size, with a definite area and populatio, under one authority, and (2) geographic features like mountains, valleys etc
Greg Shatan: (16:37) Yrjo, the problem with “city” arises when one tries to distinguish cities from other such administrative units.
A- Eduardo Díaz: (16:37) Need to move on.
Greg Shatan: (16:38) I would focus on the substance of the proposal, not looking for ulterior motives.
Yrjö Länsipuro: (16:41) Greg, perhaps we need to find and invent a term that covers them all
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (16:41) Agree ALAN THIS IS A MOST USEFUL EXERCISE imo
Jonathan Zuck: (16:42) its what we should always be doing
Marita Moll: (16:44) You can get burned @christopher
Justine Chew: (16:45) Noted @Sebasties
Justine Chew: (16:45) Noted @Sebastien sorry typo
Alan Greenberg: (16:45) Not just a long time ago. Recently as well.
Alan Greenberg: (16:46) The specifics of the proposal are subject to discussion. But this is an opportunity that is TOO GOOD TO IGNORE.
Alan Greenberg: (16:46) And those caps were intentional.
Justine Chew: (16:47) @Alan, absolutely -- Jeff opened the door for us and At-Large should stick our foot in it.
Justine Chew: (16:48) @Tijani, I'm sorry I didn't get your question
Marita Moll: (16:48) I also thought that Alexander's proposal made sense
Tijani BEN JEMAA: (16:50) ok, was this a request from the WG co-chairs to get the feedback of the SO/AC about the Neustar proposal?
Justine Chew: (16:51) @Tijani, it was a request from Jeff Neuman in his capacity as co-lead of Sub-Group A
Justine Chew: (16:51) to all SGs
Justine Chew: (16:52) who have representatives on Sub-Group A
Tijani BEN JEMAA: (16:53) Ok, thx a lot Justine
Abdulkarim Oloyede: (16:53) Yes it is not qite clear. there seams to be an over lap
Christopher Wilkinson: (16:53) Good night. Thankyou everyone. CW
Greg Shatan: (16:53) There will be some more objections, in place of contentions.
Alan Greenberg: (16:53) The policy page will guide Justine and others in their participation in the PDP.
Alfredo Calderon: (16:53) Bye to all!
Justine Chew: (16:53) Thank you, all, for your inputs.
Greg Shatan: (16:53) OCL, you are always flying.
Andrea Glandon: (16:54) yes
Andrea Glandon: (16:54) 13:00 UTC
Abdulkarim Oloyede: (16:54) ys 1300
Marita Moll: (16:54) Yes, okay with me
Tijani BEN JEMAA: (16:55) Ok for me
Greg Shatan: (16:55) It’s awkward but I can make it work.,
Justine Chew: (16:55) I think so
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (16:55) Earlier will clash with SubPro
Justine Chew: (16:56) And I have RPM at 17:UTC for 1 hour
Greg Shatan: (16:56) When the heck is SubPro?
hadia Elminiawi: (16:56) thank you All
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (16:56) Thanks everyone there really is a LOT of great work being done in these calls IMO very encouraging I must say!!! Bye for now...
Abdulkarim Oloyede: (16:56) thanks
hadia Elminiawi: (16:56) bye
Abdulkarim Oloyede: (16:56) bye for today
Greg Shatan: (16:56) Have a mean time in Greenwich!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (16:56) Try running it as +11 UTC in the antipodeas
Marita Moll: (16:56) Yes, see you all next week
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (@CLO3): (16:56) BYe
Gordon Chillcott: (16:57) Thanks and bye for now.
Kaili Kan: (16:57) Thank you all. Bye!
Avri Doria: (16:57) bye, thanks
Maureen Hilyard: (16:57) Thanks everyone - great discussino for sure
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