Attendees:
Sub-group Members: Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong, Alan Greenberg, Andreea Brambilla, Avri Doria, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, Christopher Wilkinson, Erich Schweighofer, Herb Waye, Jorge Villa, Julf Helsingius, Mark Carvell, Michael Abejuela, Olga Cavalli, Sebastien Bachollet, Steve DelBianco, Thomas Rickert (16)
Staff: Brenda Brewer, Lars Hoffmann, Nathalie Vergnolle
Apologies: Farzaneh Badii, Kavouss Arasteh
** If your name is missing from attendance or apology, please send note to acct-staff@icann.org **
Transcript
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Recording
mp3 Replay
0. Call Administration (2-5 min CLO)
*apologies received from: Farzaneh Badii
1. Review of any AI's from call #15 on December 15th
2. Updates:
* Input from the Survey sent to SO and AC's
* Any Sub Team Activities since our last call
3. Discussion, current DRAFT documentations readings and review
a) Data Capture documentation of input materials from SOAC's
b) Overall Reporting See https://docs.google.com/document/d/14XrP2QiGv04qNtn_EuOR3nEc6uAN2ySlpQM5f69PNI8/edit?usp=sharing[docs.google.com][docs.google.com]
- track 1. Review and discuss time line and process for Drafting ST1 to conduct Data Capture and Develop Recommendations to improve SO and AC processes for accountability, transparency, and participation that are helpful to prevent capture.
- track 2. Evaluate the proposed “Mutual Accountability Roundtable” to assess its viability and, if viable, undertake the necessary actions to implement it. The preliminary conclusion in the doc on page 4
- track 3. Assess whether the Independent Review Process (IRP) should be applied to SO & AC activities.------ The preliminary conclusion in the doc on page 5 -----> Discussion regarding this outcome and CCWG Plenary.
4. Next Meeting and future Meeting schedule
- 19 January @ 05:00 UTC ??
- 26 January @ 13:00 UTC
5. AOB and review of any AI's
Notes (including relevant parts of chat):
Documents Presented
Chat Transcript
Brenda Brewer: (1/12/2017 06:34) Good day all and welcome to SO/AC Accountability Subgroup Meeting #16 on 12 January 2017 @ 13:00 UTC!
Olga Cavalli - GAC Argentina: (06:53) Hi, my schedule changed and I can join the call, so apologies sent are no longer valid :)
Olga Cavalli - GAC Argentina: (06:53) Happy new year!
Brenda Brewer: (06:53) Great! Welcome Olga!
Olga Cavalli - GAC Argentina: (06:54) Hi dear Brenda Happy New year!
Olga Cavalli - GAC Argentina: (06:54) My mic does not work but I can hear without problem
CW: (06:58) Best wishes for the New Year. CW
Steve DelBianco: (07:10) All 7 of the responses received are here: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__drive.google.com_drive_folders_0B2CLsyXLvhweOVZLSWctMVhTaUU&d=DgIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=kbiQDH54980u4nTPfwdloDLY6-6F24x0ArAvhdeDvvc&m=2IPYz89KNFjY7WaQeK3JyOtXZ-E4uJ99oNjxw68pRfI&s=xOz0hB_h7wmq-thFqazX1nVS1KW06H7pGVv8_Eb5yPE&e=
Steve DelBianco: (07:10) We did not receive a response from ALAC or from RSSAC, as far as I can tell
Brenda Brewer: (07:13) See SOAC documents here: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_lBWOAw&d=DgIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=kbiQDH54980u4nTPfwdloDLY6-6F24x0ArAvhdeDvvc&m=2IPYz89KNFjY7WaQeK3JyOtXZ-E4uJ99oNjxw68pRfI&s=0nUAmdYZZFPvWNUX6pngfj0AvenJ_A9YsExEWZmdErw&e=
Brenda Brewer: (07:14) My pleasure
Alan Greenberg: (07:14) It is coming
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (07:15) great to have this sorted repository for this part of our work thx Brenda
CW: (07:15) I would like to get a heads up e-mail when a new response is received. I just saw that a few minutes ago. Thankyou Brenda. CW
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (07:15) Christopher we will
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (07:16) probably by a message to the full list
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (07:18) I am carefully and deliberately remaining silent on this *at this stage *
Alan Greenberg: (07:18) Wise!
Steve DelBianco: (07:19) RIght, Sebastien. These consulting organizations take turns reviewing the several AC/SOs
Olga Cavalli - GAC Argentina: (07:21) Hi Brenda the document sent by Farzaneh is the first one in thelist of the wiki, isnt it?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (07:23) we will make a follow-up with RSAC, viable CCWG Co-Chairs of course so
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (07:23) it against Thomas and I
Steve DelBianco: (07:24) Farzi's draft Google Doc (displayed) is also at https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1OyUsSISvrcvotPpTCSqpAr4iqz7edoyUKPQD0ef-2DYj0_edit&d=DgIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=kbiQDH54980u4nTPfwdloDLY6-6F24x0ArAvhdeDvvc&m=2IPYz89KNFjY7WaQeK3JyOtXZ-E4uJ99oNjxw68pRfI&s=Zg_82qLsWAG05XD4r5qstxYn9Wr8wVkgWEZT-R03pFk&e=
Olga Cavalli - GAC Argentina: (07:25) Cherly, as I have expressed I volunteer to be part of the drafting team.
Steve DelBianco: (07:26) Our task in Track 1 is to "review and develop recommendations" on SOAC Accountability, per this Bylaw: Section 27.1. WORK STREAM 2, (b) The CCWG-Accountability recommended in its Supplemental Final Proposal on Work Stream 1 Recommendations to the Board, dated 23 February 2016 (“CCWG-Accountability Final Report”) that the below matters be reviewed and developed following the adoption date of these Bylaws (“Work Stream 2 Matters”), in each case, to the extent set forth in the CCWG-Accountability Final Report:(iii) Supporting Organization and Advisory Committee accountability, including but not limited to improved processes for accountability, transparency, and participation that are helpful to prevent capture;
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (07:26) huge thanks to all
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (07:27) who have contributed to this work so far and especially Farzaneh
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (07:28) indeed Stev
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (07:30) this is pure Datacapture at this stage, much appreciated of course and a true starting point. but *much* work in the next step of analysis to come now
Olga Cavalli - GAC Argentina: (07:30) Olga volunteerred
Olga Cavalli - GAC Argentina: (07:30) I have no mic
Olga Cavalli - GAC Argentina: (07:32) There were othrer volunteers, maybe they are not in the call now
Michael Abejuela (ASO): (07:32) I am happy to assist in this work
CW: (07:32) I volunterred for something last year, but I have a holiday blank as to what exactly I was supposed to do.
Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong: (07:33) the end paragraph of point 3 it is the same that point 4
Thomas Rickert: (07:33) We can switch to "harassement mode" to get more responses :-)
CW: (07:33) Okay. Steve.
Thomas Rickert: (07:34) I am happy to reach out to the GNSO Chair for help and talk to individual groups
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (07:34) pretty sure it was this zest Christopher
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (07:34) thx Thomas
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (07:35) great Steve thx
Olga Cavalli - GAC Argentina: (07:36) No more closed meetings in GAC :)
Olga Cavalli - GAC Argentina: (07:37) :)
Steve DelBianco: (07:38) This is the question we asked: - Do your AC/SO have mechanisms by which your members can challenge or appeal decisions and elections? Please include link where they can be consulted.
Michael Abejuela (ASO): (07:40) We should be careful on taking the stance of "recommending" vs. stating an observation and stating a principle of accountability for which we strive. Agree with Alan that it should not be a mandate particularly in implementation of a particular principle.
CW: (07:40) since I shall leave the call early, please note lthat under Track 2 (MART) and Track 3 (IRP), my point of view is reflected in the draft repoort, so I would not support substantive amendment. CW
Steve DelBianco: (07:41) THank you , CW. When you can, please look at the Track 1 document and offer your suggestions there
CW: (07:42) OK Steve. I need to read all the new documents to get back on stream here.
avri doria: (07:46) do we expect to receive on for the GNSO itself?
avri doria: (07:46) ok, thanks
avri doria: (07:46) NCUC not NCSG
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (07:46) sorry my audio dropped out
avri doria: (07:47) i will look into gettig one from the NCSG
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (07:48) good plan as fall back if we can
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (07:49) thx Avri
avri doria: (07:49) no a charter was approved at their founding
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (07:49) best to check
avri doria: (07:49) will take a look for it.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (07:49) exactly Alan
avri doria: (07:51) fyi, though i will get the questions answered, the NCSG chater is at: <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_improvements_ncsg-2Dcharter-2D05may11-2Den.pdf&d=DgIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=kbiQDH54980u4nTPfwdloDLY6-6F24x0ArAvhdeDvvc&m=2IPYz89KNFjY7WaQeK3JyOtXZ-E4uJ99oNjxw68pRfI&s=WlIRW0FhQylCuN9kp62o7h5Z6Q5DP_S8YNlWWv0hdbQ&e= >
Thomas Rickert: (07:51) I will be chasing NPOC
avri doria: (07:53) is ALAC providing one?
Alan Greenberg: (07:55) Sorry was in process of connecting to my next meeting. One what? A reply to the questions? If so, yes
CW: (07:55) B'ye, C.
Steve DelBianco: (07:59) Per today's call, I added to the Track 1 document: Track 1 charter, and the questions we sent to the AC/SOs.
Alan Greenberg: (08:00) KInky!
Herb Waye Ombuds: (08:01) so long folks... all the best
Michael Abejuela (ASO): (08:01) Thank you everyone, bye!
