Sub-group Members: Alan Greenberg, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, Christopher Wilkinson, Farzanah Badii, Isaac Maposa, Jorge Cancio, Jorge Villa, Julf Helsingius, Kavouss Arasteh, Olga Cavallik, Rosalia Morales, Sebastien Muthusamy, Seun Ojedeji, Sivasubramanian Muthusamy, Steve DelBianco, Tom Dale
Observers: Andreea Brambilla, Berry Cobb, Meghan Healy, Michael Abejuela, Nigel Hickson
Staff: Brenda Brewer, Karen Mulberry, Lars Hoffman, Nathalie Vergnolle, Tristana Webster
Apologies: Avri Doria, Rinalia Abdul Rahim, Herb Waye
** If your name is missing from attendance or apology, please send note to acct-staff@icann.org **
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Recording
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Agenda
0. Call Administration
1. Review of any AI's from call #10 on October 20th see: https://community.icann.org/x/vQS4Aw
2. Recap of Hyderabad Meeting
3. Next Steps in our Work Plan
- Methodology for review of replies to our Survey questions (from mid Dec)
- Use of IRP track - starting the discussion; we propose a briefing from IRP WT Chair at next call
- Preparation for next report to CCWG and timeline adjustments required propose a small drafting team be formed
- When and how to approach the matter of our mandate to discuss the Mutual Accountability Framework (as proposed for consideration in WS1) and any other Mutual Accountability Matters
- Basic foundations for our required 'Enhancing SOAC Accountability Workplan'
- Our part in 2017 Public Comment documentation
4. Next Meeting and future Meeting schedule
5. AOB and recap of any AI's
Notes
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Yvette Guigneaux:Welcome all to the SO/AC Subgroup Meeting #11 | Thursday, 17 November @ 19:00 UTC!
Farzaneh Badii:yes
Steve DelBianco [CSG-GNSO]:welcome to GNSO Council, Cheryl
Olga Cavalli:Hello from Buenos Aires
Sivasubramanian M:hello
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland):Perhap mutually "accountability" is not the right notion - and we meant that we should strive for mutual understanding
Farzaneh Badii:Yes Jorge, others have also suggested other terms other than accountability
Alan Greenberg:Perhaps more important, mutual respect!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Opps my caffine deprived brain missed asking for anyone only on audio I will rectify next, Apologise received to the list will be noted
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland):In Hyderabad we had various conversations of this kind, but on a bilateral level - perhaps we may need them on a plurilateral one - which leads us to a cross-comm setting... although perhaps we would need some process etc
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):good way of looking at it Alan, and we can of course recommend any form of altente to the Willie Currie MAR model that encouages Mutualism respect understanding and sharings of practices... Yet to be discussed
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Excellent Jorge your bilaterals can make great contribution to our work in this track then :-)
Farzaneh Badii:a nonbinding roundtable of So/ACs for exchanging views
Tom Dale (ACIG GAC Secretariat):SO and AC Chairs meet regularly as necessary to coordinate issues requiring action, but those meetings are not documented. Perhaps we could consider building on that for general best practice updates, information exchange etc.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):All possible as outcome / recoommendations for the wder grou then Community to consider Yes Farzi
Farzaneh Badii:we definitely have to send a reminder
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Alan, Sevastien Sean all serve on the ALAC Steve
Olga Cavalli:GAC Olga can help
Farzaneh Badii:Giovanni from ccnso
Olga Cavalli:Mechanisms in writing could be useful
Olga Cavalli:Agree with Alan that SO and AC are very different
Farzaneh Badii:the mechanisms might be different , but ccountability criteria can be general and normative.
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland):+1 Alan...
Olga Cavalli:small sub team sounds ok
Olga Cavalli:+1 to Cheryl
Olga Cavalli:I can hel
Olga Cavalli:help
Steve DelBianco [CSG-GNSO]:ByLaws ask us to do this: "(iii) Supporting Organization and Advisory Committee accountability, including but not limited to improved processes for accountability, transparency, and participation that are helpful to prevent capture;"
Steve DelBianco [CSG-GNSO]:I can help with GNSO
Olga Cavalli:I volunteer from GAC
Steve DelBianco [CSG-GNSO]:so we have 3 general areas: Accountability, Transparency, Participation
Olga Cavalli:welcome
Michael Abejuela (ARIN):not sure if I"m officially a member of this subgroup but happy to help with the ASO portion as needed
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Noted Michael and we don't discriminate
Olga Cavalli:not good audio :(
Julf Helsingius:Audio is really bad
Steve DelBianco [CSG-GNSO]:cannot understand
Farzaneh Badii:yes Giovanni even proof read our report :)
Farzaneh Badii:and representation
Christopher Wilkinson:No objection. Support. CW
Steve DelBianco [CSG-GNSO]:I recommend that we invite the new Ombudsman to join the IRP call.
Steve DelBianco [CSG-GNSO]:@Alan -- here is what the Bylaws say to us about IRP: "Assess whether the IRP would also be applicable to SO and AC activities."
Farzaneh Badii:then the IRP scope has to be expanded
Sebastien (ALAC):Steve no pb to invite the Ombuds but I think the rapporteur of the IOO DT (ICANN Ombuds Office) maybe can help also?
Steve DelBianco [CSG-GNSO]:Yes, Sebastien. Both, if possible
Olga Cavalli:big echo
Steve DelBianco [CSG-GNSO]:Cannot understand CW at all
Olga Cavalli:I cannot understand :(
Julf Helsingius:Distortion
Farzaneh Badii:US does not have jurisdiction over IRP .
Julf Helsingius:Sounds like mic is too loud
Kavouss Arasteh:Farzaneh
Farzaneh Badii:IRP was convened in the first place to provide an alternative to US courts. what jurisdiction sub group might want to decide is what th Lex Loci and Lex Arbitri is going to be
Farzaneh Badii:Hello Kavouss.
Christopher Wilkinson:Correct. Jurisdiction and Costs are a significant issue for IRP.
Kavouss Arasteh:I suggest that you refrain to confirm or otherWISE us HAS or HAS NOT jurisdiction over IRP.
Kavouss Arasteh:tHIS IS NOT A MATTER THAT ccwg are eligible to advise.
Farzaneh Badii:well I shall correct myself. it does not have exclusive jurisdiction. it doesnt have now it doesn't have in the future. it's a matter of arbitration which should be discussed. I am not advising anyone. my opinion
Farzaneh Badii:Steve please go ahead
Kavouss Arasteh:We must ask for a circular from
Kavouss Arasteh:Legal ADVISE FROM OUTSIDE ICANN
Christopher Wilkinson:BTW, what are the questions that would be asked in the context of collecting Data?
Kavouss Arasteh:Whether or not US Coutrs has jurisdiction on
Olga Cavalli:Some of us we will be in the IGF so please take that in consideration for the timelline and small drafting team
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland):+1 Olga
Steve DelBianco [CSG-GNSO]:True, Olga. Maybe we can get some of this work done while we are there in Mexico !
Kavouss Arasteh:Ihave not been connected yet
Farzaneh Badii:oh yes! I will be there too ...
Farzaneh Badii:(*IGF)
Sebastien (ALAC):I think all the items will end track 1
Kavouss Arasteh:I AM NOT CONN3E4CTED
Farzaneh Badii:yes ,,, :) I will
Steve DelBianco [CSG-GNSO]:Sebastien -- are you thinking that Ombudsman will switch to track 1 ?
Sebastien (ALAC):Because with the review of the IOO that now IOO DT is in charge we will also move to track one (if not later)
Brenda Brewer:Calling you Kavouss.
Christopher Wilkinson:NOt wishing to take the time of the call, but i must confess that I do not understand the difference between Track 1 and Track 2.
Kavouss Arasteh:I AM NOT CONNECTED
Farzaneh Badii:I will not object :)
Olga Cavalli:Ok with Farzi!
Steve DelBianco [CSG-GNSO]:@CW -- just look at the adobe. It's just a distinction of timeline
Sebastien (ALAC):@CW track one is more time than track 2
Kavouss Arasteh:THE TIME LINE IS TOTALLY MISLED MEM
Farzaneh Badii:yes Kavouss, it looks a bit unclear.
Steve DelBianco [CSG-GNSO]:Willie Currie described MAR like this: "So one could imagine a Mutual Accountability Roundtable that meets once a year at the ICANN meeting that constitutes the annual general meeting. The form would be a roundtable of the Board, CEO and all supporting organisations and advisory committees, represented by their chairpersons. The roundtable would designate a chairperson for the roundtable from year to year at the end of each AGM who would be responsible for the next Mutual Accountability Roundtable. There could be a round of each structure giving an account of what worked and didn’t work in the year under review, following by a discussion on how to improve matters of performance. The purpose would be to create a space for mutual accountability as well as a learning space for improvement."
Farzaneh Badii:yeah that should be the google calendar fault
Farzaneh Badii:I got confused once myself.
Christopher Wilkinson:Okay … if I have well understood, then the Accountabiity should be on the same track as Jurisdiction and Transparency. CW
Christopher Wilkinson:Agree shift acc. to Track 1.
Farzaneh Badii:we have many comments on MAR . we can re-write what we have
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):thanks CW noted
Farzaneh Badii:I agree with Steve
Kavouss Arasteh:Cherylc
Steve DelBianco [CSG-GNSO]:that fresh writeup is what Farzi's drafting team would do in next several days
Kavouss Arasteh:May you put your proposal in written text with reasons
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):OK then let's set up a new write up then, aas a first reading and then I still want to get inut froom the WHOLE of our WT not just a small
Brenda Brewer:Next SO/AC Meeting: Wednesday, 23 Nov @ 05:00 UTC
Farzaneh Badii:thanks everyone. bye
Julf Helsingius:Thank you!
Michael Abejuela (ARIN):Thank you everyone
Olga Cavalli:thanks Cheryl!!
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland):thanks and bye!
Nigel Hickson:bye; thanks
Andreea Brambilla:Thank
Sivasubramanian M:bye
Andreea Brambilla:*Thanks!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Bye all THANKS for the extra time today
