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Sub-group Members: Alan Greenberg, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, Farzaneh Badii, Greg Shatan, Herb Waye, Jorge Villa, Kavouss Arasteh, Sebastein Bachollet, Steve DelBianco (9)
Staff: Bernard Turcotte, Brenda Brewer, Nathalie Vergnolle
Apologies: Rinalia Abdul Rahim, Julf Helsinguis
** If your name is missing from attendance or apology, please send note to acct-staff@icann.org **
Transcript
Recording
Agenda
0. Call Admin and Roll Call / Apologies (2min-CLO) Apologies
1. Welcome - Opening Remarks - Our aim and purpose for today's call (3-5 min-CLO)
2. Review (brief) of last meeting records here and any Action Items (5-10 min- SDB, FB)
- Refer here to our Google Doc and any list interaction on changes to draft text.
3. Primary Agenda Item - Discussion (25-35 min FB, CLO)
- Finalize our review of Public Comment documentation, and consideration of any amendments to our recommendations and Final Report for CCWG
consideration in September Plenary - Please see this Document: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uAjMUtnaigi5-zSMGmmIbvFNcPxGQC0cMB_a7XskQfI/edit#gid=639129231
- Finalize our review of Public Comment documentation, and consideration of any amendments to our recommendations and Final Report for CCWG
4 . Next Steps. Standing Item - (5 min- CLO)
- CCWG still need to FINALLY determine if any changes to our report are significant or not.
- If significant changes are recommended, CCWG-Accountability WS2 may require a second public consultation. We however do *not* believe this will be the case.
- If changes are (as we predict) not significant, CCWG-Accountability WS2 can forward final recommendations to Chartering Organizations for approval, and then to the ICANN Board for consideration
and adoption. Noting the timeline and Key milestone dates:- This will require that we lodge or Final Report by Sept 20th for consideration by the
CCWG Plenary at our meeting on September 27th.
5. AOB / Meeting Schedule (5 min- CLO)
August Dates:
· Thursday 31st @ 0500 UTC
September Dates: (if required)
· Thursday 7th @ 1300 UTC
· Thursday 14th @1900 UTC
Raw Captioning Notes
Disclaimer: This rough edit transcript, which may contain missing, misspelled or paraphrased words, is only provided for your immediate review and is not certified
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Decisions:
- None
Action Items:
- SDB and FB to update document per comments for next meeting.
Requests:
- None
Documents Presented
Chat Transcript
Brenda Brewer: (8/24/2017 13:33) Good day all and welcome to WS2 SO/AC Accountability Subgroup Meeting #30 on 24 August 2017 @ 19:00 UTC!
Brenda Brewer: (13:34) If you are not speaking, please mute your phone by pressing *6 (star 6). To unmute, *6. This call is recorded.
Brenda Brewer: (13:34) Reminder to all, for captioning and transcription, please state your name before speaking and speak slowly. Thank you!
CART: (13:52) Hello
CART: (13:53) Hello Branda, would you make me host please?
CART: (13:54) Thank you!
Steve DelBianco: (13:56) Brenda -- could you please have the latest PDF or online access to the COmment response doc I circulated yesterday?
Brenda Brewer: (13:56) Hi Steve, yes, that doc is prepped.
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:56) hello all
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:58) hi everyone
Brenda Brewer: (13:58) Kavouss, dial out is progress for you, seems as if no answser.
Kavouss Arasteh: (13:58) Brenda Hi
Kavouss Arasteh: (13:59) I was dialed but when I pressed + did not connect and then cutoff
Brenda Brewer: (13:59) Calling again, Kavouss.
Herb Waye Ombuds: (14:00) Hello everyone
Kavouss Arasteh: (14:00) Hi Cherl,
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:00) welcome Herb
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:01) hi Kavous
Kavouss Arasteh: (14:01) Normall, except you three and OMBUDSMAN ,WE SHOULD BE ATLEAST 5
Steve DelBianco: (14:01) Herb -- please see row 38 in the comment response sheet, where we discuss Ombuds role.
Steve DelBianco: (14:01) current sheet is at https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_spreadsheets_d_1uAjMUtnaigi5-2DzSMGmmIbvFNcPxGQC0cMB-5Fa7XskQfI_edit-23gid-3D639129231&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=kbiQDH54980u4nTPfwdloDLY6-6F24x0ArAvhdeDvvc&m=zSfjbK097vLEtj-3_CrUmV2iCCHabNsn34o7AjckZGU&s=nMq5ocOACeCIBFT0wjFHwfXW4tGnw53_JoqgqP8Uy30&e=
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:02) cheryl its 5 including rapporteurs - so we are fine
Herb Waye Ombuds: (14:04) OK Steve thanks
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:08) if people are unable to read the share doc, we can get shared screen from staff... let me know
Alan Greenberg: (14:10) Based on the consensus during the f2f in Joburg and within the work Track....
Greg Shatan: (14:15) Secretariat?
Farzaneh Badii: (14:17) oh wow!
Farzaneh Badii: (14:17) accepting to be wrong is rare in this community! Applaud!
Greg Shatan: (14:18) Note: Alan is Canadian.
Steve DelBianco: (14:19) here is what I think Alan meant: and whether the actions of the decisional participants of the EC decisional participants are reported accurately and completely in accordance with the ICANN bylaws.
Herb Waye Ombuds: (14:20) I would only be involved if somebody complained that the rules weren't followed
Herb Waye Ombuds: (14:20) sorry no audio
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:20) the ombudsman and the rapporteur as well as Wt members from Ombuds grease here of course
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:21) noted Herb
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:21) which seems to be covered in our words
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:21) thanks Herb
Steve DelBianco: (14:22) review by the Ombuds would be appropriate in order to challenge whether an AC/SO properly reported its decision to the EC, and whether the actions of the decisional participants of the EC are reported accurately and completely in accordance with the ICANN bylaws.
Herb Waye Ombuds: (14:22) THere is no oversight role yet... that may come at end of ws2 work
Herb Waye Ombuds: (14:23) Complaining is the key word
Herb Waye Ombuds: (14:24) Sebastien may be better placed to comment on this, that recommendation may come from the sub-group
Herb Waye Ombuds: (14:24) Yes
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:24) trying get there. Herb
Herb Waye Ombuds: (14:27) Alan, from experience most are accommodating unless there are hard deadlines like with the Reconsideration Process
Herb Waye Ombuds: (14:29) I would hope they go back to discuss the issue, if communication breaks down then call in the ombuds
Herb Waye Ombuds: (14:30) and only recommend
Steve DelBianco: (14:30) Annex D in the new Bylaws describes how the EC works.
Steve DelBianco: (14:31) An Ombuds complaint is an option, not a requirement
Farzaneh Badii: (14:31) There is a major difference between Ombuds and IRP, less formal non binding ...
Herb Waye Ombuds: (14:34) Thanks Bernie, the new gTLD process was a great example of that type of gaming
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:34) the isn't about IRP
Herb Waye Ombuds: (14:35) The ombuds can only make recommendations that are put back to the community
Farzaneh Badii: (14:35) I'd first understand the design of ombuds and what obuds does and the nature of decision, then object to it
Farzaneh Badii: (14:36) I agree that ombuds should not be one person but an organization of some sort, but these concerns should be expressed at ombuds group
Steve DelBianco: (14:37) Article 5 of ICANN Bylaws: "The charter of the Ombudsman shall be to act as a neutral dispute resolution practitioner for those matters for which the provisions of the Independent Review Process set forth in Section 4.3 have not been invoked. "
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:37) exactly.. thanks for ensuring we all understand the Ombudsman office and role
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:41) time check 19 minutes left in call
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:41) and IF we as at agree on changes to our report
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:41) noted Bernie
Steve DelBianco: (14:41) This view was expressed by only one commenter, and was not supported by CCWG at its F2F meeting. Therefore we are holding to the consensus view, that the IRP should not apply to SO/AC activities.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:47) our Diversity WT report is being transmitted to the plenary
Farzaneh Badii: (14:47) I was in minority opinion about term limits steve. not the other
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:48) I tried to make that point last week Alan
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:49) not that I am against term limits at a
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:50) l, just that we don't need to make it a Practice. proposed by us
Steve DelBianco: (14:50) we are saying: Clarified that implementation of Good Practices are optional, on p. 8: "AC/SO/Groups are only expected to implement good practices to the extent that these practices are applicable and an improvement over present practices, in the view of AC/SO/Group participants."
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:50) yes Alan exactly
Steve DelBianco: (14:54) A minority of work team members want to add a good practice to consider term limits, for AC/SO/Groups that choose to hold elections.
Farzaneh Badii: (14:55) I agree with that
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:55) time check 5 minutes left in call
Steve DelBianco: (14:56) 3 of 9
Farzaneh Badii: (14:56) Kavouss didnt vote
Greg Shatan: (14:57) Typically we go by absence of opposition.
Greg Shatan: (14:58) Not by absence of support.
Sebastien (ALAC): (14:58) And some put red ticks
Farzaneh Badii: (14:58) lets do that Steve.
Farzaneh Badii: (14:58) lets go to ccwg
Greg Shatan: (14:58) Isn't also accurate to say that a minority opposed it?
Farzaneh Badii: (14:59) I think you are right Greg
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (15:00) or state 3 members attending the call of Aug 24 called for... ...
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (15:00) we are at top of the hour
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (15:01) extension by up to 5 min please
Farzaneh Badii: (15:02) here: If ICANN were to expand the list of languages that it supports, availability of this support should also be extended to publications of SO/AC/Groups.
Steve DelBianco: (15:02) if ICANN were to expand the list of languages that it supports, this support should also be made available to SO/AC/Groups.
Farzaneh Badii: (15:03) I added them to our report
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (15:04) August 30th SOAC call is 1900UTC
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (15:05) sorry 31 August 0500
Herb Waye Ombuds: (15:05) Great meeting and dialogue everyone
Farzaneh Badii: (15:05) thanks bye
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (15:05) bye ð
