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Sub-group Members: Avri Doria, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, Christian Dawson, Farzaneh Badii, Isaac Maposa, Julf Helsingus, Kavouss Arasteh, RInalia Adbul Rahim, Sebastien Bachollet, Sivasubramanian Muthusamy, Seun Ojedeji (11)
Staff: Brenda Brewer, Karen Mulberry, Lars Hoffmann
Apologies: Herb Waye, Alan Greenberg, Olga Cavalli, Steve DelBianco
** If your name is missing from attendance or apology, please send note to acct-staff@icann.org **
Transcript
Recording
The Adobe Connect recording is available here: https://participate.icann.org/p6vf4tnt3t9/
The audio recording is available here: http://audio.icann.org/accountability/ccwg-accountability-soac-subgroup-20oct16-en.mp3
Agenda
1. Welcome - Opening Remarks
2. Review (brief) of last call #9
3. Discussion Topics
a) Final Review and Discussion on Draft text of questions to be sent to SO/ACs
- Review of the designated community members - noted that this has been captured in the Google doc according and lists groups
according to the bylaws. The document is located at Our Google Doc is at:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xigRIH7gE8NXEf6I0asyM6rUbGmbzHFcy0RGUZA84RY/edit
b) Discusion of Points for Interim Reporting and Matters for Discussion by our WT in Hyderabad
4. AOB
5. Review of Any Action Items and Next Meeting.
Notes
Attendance will be taken from the list of participants in the Adobe Connect rm.
Cheryl noted an update to SOI as has an additinal role at ICANN
No apologies noted.
1. Review (brief) of last call #9
Started reviewing Staff paper and reviewing the questions to SO/AC for feedback
2. Discussion Topics
a) Final Review and Discussion on Draft text of questions to be sent to SO/ACs
- Review of the designated community members - noted that this has been captured in the Google doc according and lists groups according to the bylaws.
The document is located at Our Google Doc is at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xigRIH7gE8NXEf6I0asyM6rUbGmbzHFcy0RGUZA84RY/edit
Farzaneh - Review of the Google doc as there are some terms that need to be clarified. Replaced questions with questions prepared by Giovanni as the new
baseline and revised based on group discussion. Will then start work on Steve's questions. If groups agrees the final questions will be sent tomorrow to the mailing
list and will allow the group sometime to review before finalizing them for sending them to the SO/AC Leadership.
Kavouss - noted that the questions may be mixed up with the transparency group and how decision making is accountability. Giovanni questions are mixed up.
Sebastien - Noted that are inter-relations between the topics. It is also important to get the views of the SO/ACs on these questions. the groups can then determine the way to use the response.
Kavouss - Noted that election is not accountability
CLO - the questions should be an opportunity for the SO/ACs to inform the group of their accountability processes and procedures.
Noted from the chat - Rinalia Abdul Rahim: As I recall, the accountability framework that WS1 had looked at included 4 aspects: Transparency, Consultation/Participation, Appeal
and Redress. Questions for SO/AC that fall along this frame about their accountability to their stakeholders are appropriate to my mind.
CLO Noted that the responses are expeted to be due 1 November
Kavouss - proposed to remove transparency, in particular put question 3 in brackets.
Poll taken to agree to removing the word transparency from the document. - small group on the call did not support removing transparency, will send the poll out to the list for further consideration
b) Discussion of Points for Interim Reporting and Matters for Discussion by our WT in Hyderabad
CLO - ask to send interim report for the group to the CCWG Plenary for the Hyderabad F2F meeting.
Farzaneh read the text of the proposed progress report for group consideration. Chairs are continuing to prepare the progress report and will finalize it tomorrow. The current draft of the
progress report is located on the wiki page at https://community.icann.org/x/vQS4Aw
3. AOB - No new business noted
4. Review of Any Action Items
Next Meeting, 27 October @ 13:00 UTC
Proposed keeping the groups frequency and timing of calls going forward keeping the regular schedule of meetings.
Discussion of meeting in Hyderabad part of the plenary discussion.
ACTION ITEMS
1. Quick turn around for the group to submit comments on questions sent to the list so they can be sent to the SO/AC Leaderhsip fo responses.
Documents Presented
**drafts that are posted are static views of the master text that is being edited in the groups Google doc and may not reflect on going edits and changes
- Draft Community Questions for Comments
- Progress-report
- CCWGWS2projectonSOACAccountability-reportv1 19Oct2016.pdf
Chat Transcript
Brenda Brewer:Good day all and welcome to SO/AC Subgroup Meeting #10 on 20 October 2016 @ 05:00 UTC!
Kavouss Arasteh:Good dAY dEAR bRENDA
Brenda Brewer:Hello Kavouss!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) ALAC AP CCWG Member:Hi Brenda
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) ALAC AP CCWG Member:Hello Kavous
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) ALAC AP CCWG Member::-)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) ALAC AP CCWG Member:Hi Farzi
Farzaneh Badii:Hi Cheryl :)
Farzaneh Badii:Hi Kavouss
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) ALAC AP CCWG Member:Sent Brenda PDF of the interim Report drft to display (in cse you have not waded through emails yet)
Farzaneh Badii:yes saw that thanks a lot
Brenda Brewer:got it! Thanks Cheryl!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) ALAC AP CCWG Member:Great Brenda thx the display looked fine
Julf Helsingius:Good morning
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) ALAC AP CCWG Member:Hi Julf
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) ALAC AP CCWG Member:Afternoon here in AU for Tom and I
Tom Dale (ACIG GAC Secretariat):And a sunny afternoon at that.
Julf Helsingius:You guys are always ahead of us...
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) ALAC AP CCWG Member:Indeed! ;-)
Kavouss Arasteh:your voice is totally didtorted
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) ALAC AP CCWG Member:OK Kvous I will look into that but my audio check with staff earlier was just fine
Julf Helsingius:Yes, sound quality was not great
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) ALAC AP CCWG Member:NP will fix
Kavouss Arasteh:I COULD NOT GRASP WHAT YOU WERE TAKING ABOUT
Julf Helsingius:Much better
Kavouss Arasteh:Better now
Christian Dawson:evening, all
Kavouss Arasteh:I have difficulties to down googl doc.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) ALAC AP CCWG Member:Staff can you please note an apology from Steve unless he is able to join us later
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) ALAC AP CCWG Member:Yes Kavous we recogniose some people have issues using Google Docs where that is the case we make a best effort to add any comments we see into the doc
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) ALAC AP CCWG Member:indeed Sebastien and A&T are often linked
Farzaneh Badii:they don't have to go through their procedure of elections
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) ALAC AP CCWG Member:Sorry for the delay seun
avri:apologies for tardiness
Rinalia Abdul Rahim:As I recall, the accountability framework that WS1 had looked at included 4 aspects: Transparency, Consultation/Participation, Appeal and Redress. Questions for SO/AC that fall along this frame about their accountability to their stakeholders are appropriate to my mind.
Julf Helsingius:I agree with Rinalia
avri:do we use square brackets?
avri:keep transparency
avri:must keep transparency
avri:it is actually a white x on red background
avri:rough consensus
avri:near consensus
avri:not perfect consensus
avri:why the fear of transparency
avri:agains tsquate brackets
avri:this is not the ITU
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) ALAC AP CCWG Member:Noted Avri
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) ALAC AP CCWG Member:Kavous is that an old hand? or a new intervention
Farzaneh Badii:definitely Kavouss. we will provide a pdf.
Farzaneh Badii:we will provide pdf for all the documents
Karen Mulberry:To assist in getting the draft materials available to the group, Staff Support can post verisons on the subgroup wiki page to make it easier to access
avri:google docs are my favorite docs since they work on all pltforms not just windows and OSX
avri:they also allow collaborative work.
avri:but we shoudl drop pdf for those who refuse to use.
Julf Helsingius:trying to understand why google docs don't work for everyone
Farzaneh Badii:Steve copy pasted your comments Kavouss. I will send you a pdf of that document
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) ALAC AP CCWG Member:indeed!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) ALAC AP CCWG Member:Yes I could not agree more Sebastien
Kavouss Arasteh: i have serious difficulties to download Google DOC.
Farzaneh Badii:I understand Kavouss. I hope we can solve the problem. also Karen saiad the updates are on wiki page as well
Kavouss Arasteh:This is friendly working little suib group AND MNOT MILITRY SCHOOL$
Farzaneh Badii:"Karen Mulberry: To assist in getting the draft materials available to the group, Staff Support can post verisons on the subgroup wiki page to make it easier to access"
avri:friendly?
Kavouss Arasteh:AND THE ADDRESS OF WIKI PAGE
avri:where it alwasy is.
Farzaneh Badii:Karen can you do me a favour and post the Wiki Address
Farzaneh Badii:Thanks Brenda. Kavouss, the above link takes you to Wiki
Farzaneh Badii:yes :) tracks are just to make following the issues easier. (hopefully)
Farzaneh Badii:thanks Cheryl
Tom Dale (ACIG GAC Secretariat):Thank you all.
Julf Helsingius:Thanks!
Farzaneh Badii:Thanks everyone. Goodbye
Kavouss Arasteh 3:Farzaneh
Farzaneh Badii:yes Kavouss
Kavouss Arasteh 3:Pls send me a copy of all your document via e-mail
Kavouss Arasteh 3:Tks
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) ALAC AP CCWG Member:Bye everyone
Farzaneh Badii:I will do that . but not the latest doc, I will send that to the mailing list when ready
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) ALAC AP CCWG Member:She sid several time she will be Kavous
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) ALAC AP CCWG Member:sid=Said
Farzaneh Badii:Bye Kavouss Rooz Khosh
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) ALAC AP CCWG Member:Thnks everyone
