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Gisella Gruber: (7/28/2015 18:55) Welcome to the ALAC monthly meeting on Tuesday 28 July 2015 at 1900 UTC
Gisella Gruber: (18:56) Agenda: https://community.icann.org/x/R600Aw
Maureen Hilyard: (19:53) Hi all
Holly Raiche: (19:53) Hi Gisella - someone is calling me, but it rings only once and noone is there!
Holly Raiche: (19:54) Morning all
Juan Manuel Rojas: (19:54) Thank you! Hi everyone
Holly Raiche: (19:55) This time it rang twice - and noone is there!
CLO: (19:55) hi all
siranush vardanyan: (19:56) hlgood evening, everyone
Maureen Hilyard: (19:56) Dream on Alan :)
Ali AlMeshal: (19:57) hello everyone
siranush vardanyan: (19:57) leavimg tomorrow, dears;)
siranush vardanyan: (19:57) leaving
siranush vardanyan: (19:58) :))
Fatima Cambronero: (19:59) hello everyone
Allan Skuce: (19:59) Greetings.
Oksana Prykhodko: (20:00) hello erveryone
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (20:00) Hello everyone
Judith Hellerstein: (20:00) Hi All
Garth Bruen: (20:00) Hello
Vanda: (20:01) hy everyone
Eve Edelson: (20:01) hello I'm here, just listening for now
Garth Bruen: (20:02) I know many of you have already commented on the issues I sent to the list, summarized here: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/Transparency+and+Accountability+in+the+ICANN+Structure
Garth Bruen: (20:02) As requested I am drafting language for Leon.
Garth Bruen: (20:03) Vilkomen Lutz
Holly Raiche: (20:03) @ Garth - great. It's an important issue
Garth Bruen: (20:03) "Wilkomen"
Glenn McKnight: (20:03) @Eve can you contact me after the call- Glenn re: ISOC Funding
Judith Hellerstein: (20:03) @gisela Beran said her call dropped so she needs another dial out
Eve Edelson: (20:04) @Glenn will do
Garth Bruen: (20:04) Thanks Holly. Sorry I missed you the other week.
Holly Raiche: (20:05) And sorry I missed all four of you - but the place was packed with rellies (that's Oz for relatives)
Glenn McKnight: (20:05) North America-Glenn
siranush vardanyan: (20:06) just wanted to thank staff for the support for getting docs for visa application process to be started now. visa for Dublin i mean
CLO: (20:07) excellent attendance :-) :-) :-)
John Laprise: (20:07) Thank Twitter for my presence... :)
Leon Sanchez: (20:07) Did you say my name Gisella?
Garth Bruen: (20:07) @Holly, we were in NYC. Empire State Building, Brooklyn Bridge, the whole gamut
Holly Raiche: (20:08) @ Garth - what a great trip!
Garth Bruen: (20:09) Yes, we don't have to do anything else with the kids all summer
CLO: (20:09) :-) :-) :-)
Gisella Gruber: (20:09) Glenn - you have been noted on attendance
Glenn McKnight: (20:09) @gisella correct
Heidi Ullrich: (20:09) Welcome to all the new ALS representatives who are joining their first ALAC call :)
Holly Raiche: (20:09) Dev wanted to add an item
CW: (20:10) Have we started? there is no sound
Heidi Ullrich: (20:10) @Holly, it has been added. Item 14
Holly Raiche: (20:10) Tks
Ariel Liang: (20:10) Policy Development workspace: https://community.icann.org/x/bwFO
Judith Hellerstein: (20:10) @staff can we have scrolling privileges for the agenda
Garth Bruen: (20:11) Too loud here to take off mute for too long. Contractors have ripped out the side of our house, ice damage from last winter.
Ariel Liang: (20:11) https://community.icann.org/x/35U0Aw
Judith Hellerstein: (20:13) Scrolling privileges on the agenda please
Gisella Gruber: (20:13) @ Judith - all good now?
Ariel Liang: (20:13) https://community.icann.org/x/c4hCAw
Judith Hellerstein: (20:14) yes. Thanks
Ariel Liang: (20:14) https://community.icann.org/x/1IJCAw
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (20:15) :-)
Ariel Liang: (20:16) discussion paper on improving policy advice development process: https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/53783879/For%20Discussion%20-%2028Jul2015.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1438104819924&api=v2
Holly Raiche: (20:16) Ariel - I think Alan wants the document in the window
Ariel Liang: (20:17) we will get it uploaded shortly
CLO: (20:19) reminder to staff that some of bus can not use links from Abobe rooms ... so for me please also Skype them at some point
Heidi Ullrich: (20:19) These are topics that might be covered in the ALAC development sesison in Dublin
Holly Raiche: (20:20) Wheere will this document beposted?
Ariel Liang: (20:21) The doc is posted on the agenda page here: https://community.icann.org/x/R600Aw
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (20:21) At-Large Improvements : https://community.icann.org/display/Improve/ALAC+At-Large+Policy+Advice+Development+%28PAD%29+Process+Workspace
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (20:22) +1 for the Webinars!
Glenn McKnight: (20:22) Curous what the attendance is like for webinars ?
Holly Raiche: (20:23) @ Glenn- good point, but I would hope it would be good
Glenn McKnight: (20:24) @Judith what did Mark Urban say about accessibiity of some webinar tootls I think he was critical of Webex and Adobe connect on mobile
Holly Raiche: (20:24) @ Alan/Gisella - maybe look at that paper in the ALT meeting?
Glenn McKnight: (20:24) We need to make sure that the audio quality is really good and the interaction on the webinar for mobile users is properly done or it's a waste of time
CLO: (20:25) you are not alone Dev :-)
Holly Raiche: (20:26) OLC - your voice is VERY soft
Heidi Ullrich: (20:27) Hi All, please note that the Capacity Building WG will be working with Dev, as Chair of the SubCommitttee on Outreach and Engagement, organizers of regional capicity building webinars , and GSE staff to coordinate on the next series of capacity building webinars. The ALAC policy making process may be a good topic.
Judith Hellerstein: (20:28) @glenn Mark Urban said webex was poor and adobe connect on PC/MAC is excellent and very accessible but Adobe Connect in IOS and android had problems because of flash
Glenn McKnight: (20:28) @ Jusdith my point is that we need to make sure the tool works in all formats
Gisella Gruber: (20:28) @ Eve - please check your private chat
Judith Hellerstein: (20:28) but audio is fine and we could use a work around for putting up the slides by uploading them to a server and then pasting the link in one of the pods or chat
Judith Hellerstein: (20:29) when adobe implements html5 it all should work well
Glenn McKnight: (20:29) Good poiint Judith
Vanda: (20:29) @glenn = +1
Leon Sanchez: (20:29) Welcome to our side of the world Heidi!
Eve Edelson: (20:29) @ Gisela I see your chat, is there a separate chat?
Eve Edelson: (20:30) @ Gisella I mean
CW: (20:30) Leaving the call. Can't follow from here. CW
Gisella Gruber: (20:30) @ Eve - bottom of your screen.
Gisella Gruber: (20:30) @ CW - what is your issue? You are on the audio bridge I believe
Judith Hellerstein: (20:30) Good We have a bunch of feedback and they were totally confused about everything so could you send out the info again to the list and I can send it on the naralo list
Holly Raiche: (20:31) Welcome Milo
Gisella Gruber: (20:31) @ Milo - I sent you a private message. If you would like to follow in French, we can dial-out to you
Vanda: (20:31) gracias Alberto por levantar esto punto por Haiti
Fatima Cambronero: (20:31) Welcome Milo!
Glenn McKnight: (20:31) @ Akberto we have done work with IEEE and Engineers without Borders in Haiti
Maureen Hilyard: (20:31) Nice one, Alberto
Judith Hellerstein: (20:32) @dev do you have any update on the work on the confluence wiki
Glenn McKnight: (20:33) @Dev any update Dev on the LACRALO Mailing list
Heidi Ullrich: (20:33) @APRALO, the dued diligence for the application from Sri Lanka will be sent to you next week. We will ask for your regional advice.
Garth Bruen: (20:33) Leon, I sent the proporsed language. Gracias
siranush vardanyan: (20:33) question for Dev: i know we will come to cropp stuff, as i am via phone and typing takes time, please consider this question to be answered when time comes. the question: what is the reason that the cropp request submitted from our region more than two weeks ago is still not approved or rejected? it would be not fair towards people who put a lot of efforts for submitting on time with all initial approvals to dissaprove our request because of timing limits of cropp. we hope for quicker response from the committee.
CLO: (20:33) yeYes WP1 is going on several off us are "missing it"
Alberto Soto: (20:33) @Glenn , Thanks, I hope to have more news about it!!!
Heidi Ullrich: (20:33) We have received the outreach strategy from NARALO.
CLO: (20:34) and APRALO
Heidi Ullrich: (20:34) Noted, Cheryl
siranush vardanyan: (20:34) @Heidi: noted for the new als info
Gisella Gruber: (20:34) Tijani has joined the audio bridge - not able to join the Adobe Connect
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (20:35) Outreach and Engagement SC Report : https://community.icann.org/x/gzWfAg
siranush vardanyan: (20:35) apralo's strategy was submitted quite a long time already
Ariel Liang: (20:35) To see the reports from WGs, RALOs, Liaisons: https://community.icann.org/x/XwCB
siranush vardanyan: (20:35) i do
Eve Edelson: (20:35) new to this, will try to keep up with readings!
Glenn McKnight: (20:35) Not all
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (20:36) bookmarked
Garth Bruen: (20:36) Alan, good question. Where? How? NOT CENTRALIZED OR SUMMARIZED!!!!
Holly Raiche: (20:36) I thought the new website space would solve that!
Judith Hellerstein: (20:36) @siranoush before CROPP funding cna be approved your strategy needs to be approved first. without this your cropp application can not go forward
Maureen Hilyard: (20:36) That would be really helpful, Alan - putting reports in one space
Glenn McKnight: (20:36) Routine routines that I read are bookmarked for monthly reports etc
Judith Hellerstein: (20:36) @leah welcome
Heidi Ullrich: (20:36) Is that an AI, Alan?
Allan Skuce: (20:37) Standardization.
Judith Hellerstein: (20:37) The tech task force actually does stuff. We review many different apps and work on many issues
siranush vardanyan: (20:37) Judith, knowing that we submitted strategy before the cropp request with approval from vps as well
Holly Raiche: (20:38) Please - make them easier to find!
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (20:38) As someone who has to prepare multiple WG reports, I would be interested in feedback
Garth Bruen: (20:38) OR easier to submit....
Judith Hellerstein: (20:38) but not sure that the strategy was approved yet. I think we are behind in the aspect
Heidi Ullrich: (20:38) We can post them on the ALAC portal : https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=2265510
Garth Bruen: (20:39) And submitted in a way that tags them for keywords etc.
Judith Hellerstein: (20:39) Also the outreach and engagement team is being reconstituted and they have to approve these plans
Heidi Ullrich: (20:39) or create a link in the Gateway box at the top of the ALAC portal
Judith Hellerstein: (20:39) @dev is that correct?
siranush vardanyan: (20:39) but it should not be reflected on the regions, Judith
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (20:39) there should be a "like" or "no like" button on the reports
Holly Raiche: (20:39) @ Heidi - yes please
Glenn McKnight: (20:39) This is why we proposed a revised template for the RALO reports with metrics
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (20:40) @judith - correct
Holly Raiche: (20:40) It will be looked at in the ALAC Review!
Glenn McKnight: (20:40) It's not uncommon to add voting, metatags etc into reports
Garth Bruen: (20:40) @OCL: Not like, but "useful" "clear" etc.
Vanda: (20:40) I believe reports could be more under clear templates to make it easy to understandable for outsides. I have submitted to some friends interested in entering ICANN and I needed to "translate"the main meaning to them and why it is important
Glenn McKnight: (20:40) Wow, the daily reports at BA was largely ignored
Garth Bruen: (20:41) I think Glenn, Dev and myself were the only ones who posted them
Judith Hellerstein: (20:41) @dev any update on whether we can traspose the output from the form to the confluence wiki
Holly Raiche: (20:41) One of he problems with BA report is they should include more than the fact that someone attended!
Fatima Cambronero: (20:41) @Glenn, the pictures are not ignored
Glenn McKnight: (20:41) Dev did a wonderful report
Holly Raiche: (20:42) Pics are fine - but they do not set out what happened!
CLO: (20:42) agree with you Dev
Fatima Cambronero: (20:42) agree Holly
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (20:43) The ICANN53 meeting reports page : https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+ICANN+53+Meeting+Reports+Workspace
Garth Bruen: (20:43) Question: WHO are we trying to please by writing reports? Some alleged annoymous critics? Or should they actually be USEABLE by AL?
Garth Bruen: (20:44) If they are intended to be usable by AL, the strucutre does not work
Judith Hellerstein: (20:44) +1 Dev
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (20:44) @Garth - We're trying to please At-Large
Holly Raiche: (20:44) @ Garth - I think it is more important to report on meetings that everyone else did NOT attend
Glenn McKnight: (20:45) @Dev I tried to stress the value of the Tech Task force ATLAS 2 recommendations
Vanda: (20:45) @ garth they need to be also useful for someone from outside that can understand what is relevant about it. .
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (20:45) Thanks Glenn
Glenn McKnight: (20:45) @ Hi John
Glenn McKnight: (20:45) @ Your welcome Dev
Judith Hellerstein: (20:45) no @garth I posted daily reports as well
Garth Bruen: (20:45) @Holly, then the reports should be loaded into the schedule format. Someone can look at the schedule and find the reporting.
siranush vardanyan: (20:45) i don' t think that daily reports from the meetings itself are not useful in the sense that many are only stucked with alac works and just kentioning " i was here or there" does not make sense for me
Garth Bruen: (20:45) Sorry Judith, yes
Holly Raiche: (20:46) Again - they should be easier to find
Judith Hellerstein: (20:46) @gisella @heidi @ariel beran got dropped . Can you redial her
Garth Bruen: (20:46) The schedule shows us what is going to happen - it should be followed by what we did or saw happen
Heidi Ullrich: (20:47) Beran is back
Gisella Gruber: (20:47) @ Hudith - we are redialling Beran
Gisella Gruber: (20:47) Beran is back on
Judith Hellerstein: (20:48) Thanks
John Laprise: (20:49) In loud environment so speaking is problematic: Meta-Question: The .Africa report noted but did not investigate ICANN potentially failing to follow its own policy (it invalidated the decision on the GAC grounds). Why should we expect ICANN to follow the policy developed through the hard work of the CCWG?
Holly Raiche: (20:51) @ John - the .africa issue was the subject of a BBC report today - not pretty (they quoted an ICANN statement)
John Laprise: (20:51) I heard.
CLO: (20:51) kinda busy yes
John Laprise: (20:52) please read
Garth Bruen: (20:52) Amen John
John Laprise: (20:53) public process audits?
John Laprise: (20:53) It's hard to critique what we don't know.
Leon Sanchez: (20:53) We are designing different mechanisms to address that John
Vanda: (20:54) reconsideration process some times are attacehd to california law and sometimes it conclicts with rules. we are using...
John Laprise: (20:54) My concern is that the .africa situation only came to a head through the concerted action of an involved actor. over much time
Garth Bruen: (20:57) @John, the engery required to get serious issues addressed is too much for most
Vanda: (20:57) @alan. lots of issues to be duscussed under this question and the meaning of accountability...
John Laprise: (20:57) @Garth Agreed resources req'd for redress
Vanda: (20:58) agree with Olivier...
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (20:59) We trust strangers. I'd rather trust my peers than people I do not know at all.
John Laprise: (20:59) Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Those Romans...
Vanda: (20:59) agree again olivier... lots of issues shaould be debated under ALAC
Holly Raiche: (21:00) @ John - so very true a question - maybe ask Brutus
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (21:01) Advisory Committees, by the fact tht they are more independent, should have aLL the say and the SOs should have less influence as they are conflicted.
Garth Bruen: (21:01) facinus quos inquinat aequat?
Holly Raiche: (21:04) @ ocl - And have you told MM that they should have less influence?
CLO: (21:07) I do hope the calls as weekly will be 60 mins though
Holly Raiche: (21:08) @ CLO - absolutely agree
Vanda: (21:08) @alan, i bleieve we need really to do a lot of work on this
judith hellerstein: (21:09) @leah @eve have you taken the webinars mentioned earlier in this session about introducing At large to new ALSes. I think they are called onbarding
Alan Greenberg: (21:09) @CLO 60 vs 45 or 60 vs 90
judith hellerstein: (21:09) sorry on boarding
Glenn McKnight: (21:10) @Heidi, Eduardo and I already discussed the ALAC spot from NARALO and I volunteered as the NARALO ALAC person
CLO: (21:10) 45 to 60 please. not 60 v 90
Vanda: (21:11) I@clo agrre
siranush vardanyan: (21:12) and we have maureen as alac mekber and myself and cheryl as ralo reps - this will be from apralo
Eve Edelson: (21:12) @ judith I have not, would like to, via here ? --> https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/New+ALS+Welcome+Webinars
Alan Greenberg: (21:12) CLO, that sounded like a threat, not a hint!
siranush vardanyan: (21:12) Cheryl , your name is already in;)
judith hellerstein: (21:13) @heidi @Gisella @ariel can you post the link to the onboarding webinars again. Thansk
judith hellerstein: (21:14) Eve has asked that question
Gisella Gruber: (21:15) Welcome to Vernatius Ezeama, Our Rights, AFRALO
Ariel Liang: (21:15) @Eve that's the correct link
Ariel Liang: (21:16) You can listen to the recordings and review the transcripts of the first 'informal' onboarding webinar (held on Jul 16) here: https://community.icann.org/x/FYRCAw
Glenn McKnight: (21:18) We need to make sure that existing ALS pick up their game and met the same scrutiny as the new ALS, ie. Website link, alternate reps.
Eve Edelson: (21:18) @ Ariel thank you
Oksana Prykhodko: (21:18) Any criteria for RALO, especially for RALO Bylaws?
Ariel Liang: (21:18) @Eve no problem
Fatima Cambronero: (21:19) agree with @Alberto
Vernatius EZEAMA: (21:20) Thanks Gisella Gruber
siranush vardanyan: (21:23) @Heidi: shoul we send additional e-mail to you with the names or it is enough we posted here?
judith hellerstein: (21:24) I think Satish volunteered
Ariel Liang: (21:24) announcement about the solicitation of ICANN WG to Review the IDN Implementation Guidelines: https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2015-07-20-en
Vanda: (21:24) @ with alberto too.
Holly Raiche: (21:24) A Ariel - could we have the agendaa on the screen? Thanks
siranush vardanyan: (21:24) yes, Satish already volunteered for this
judith hellerstein: (21:25) Why is Satish not a good candidate
CLO: (21:26) he may not have put in a "cv" for it (yet)
Heidi Ullrich: (21:27) LET Workshop: https://community.icann.org/display/LTP/Leadership+Training+Program+Home
Heidi Ullrich: (21:27) LTP Workspace!
Glenn McKnight: (21:28) No objection
judith hellerstein: (21:28) I will email him and see if he is still interested
siranush vardanyan: (21:28) Judith, he is interested and i will ask him to dubmit his state il
Vanda: (21:29) no objection of course
CLO: (21:29) Judith perhaps that should be left to Siranush or anothe r AP Leader
siranush vardanyan: (21:29) stayemen of interest
Leon Sanchez: (21:29) +1000 CLO
CLO: (21:29) we all know how active he is in the IDN WH
Vanda: (21:29) LAC RALO has a newone coming and depending on the country..may ahve similar issue
siranush vardanyan: (21:29) sorry for typos. i will ask Satish to submit his SI
judith hellerstein: (21:30) thanks Siranush
CLO: (21:30) Most appropriate that YOU do Siranush
siranush vardanyan: (21:31) yes, I also think so as we have already with Satish on this as well
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (21:31) :-p
Heidi Ullrich: (21:31) We have
Vanda: (21:32) I can pput my name to this region for item 11 as well if it has agreemnt on it from my region + the newcomer from nomcom may be...
Heidi Ullrich: (21:32) 81 days to ICANN 54 in Dubline
Heidi Ullrich: (21:32) Dublin
Heidi Ullrich: (21:34) EURALO GA - 2 90 min sessions on Wed with a Networking session in the evening.
Heidi Ullrich: (21:35) Please do let staff know which presentations you found most useful.
Leon Sanchez: (21:35) I could also put my name for the Leadership training if feasible
Heidi Ullrich: (21:35) This will provide us direction in how to schedule the meetings.
Vanda: (21:35) leon. ok you you have time is ok for me
Heidi Ullrich: (21:35) @Leon, your hand in or your hand up (graduate)?
Leon Sanchez: (21:36) Thanks Vanda!
Gisella Gruber: (21:37) Holly - please speak up
siranush vardanyan: (21:37) Maureen is named for oeadership training as apralo priority. but we also need to wait for the name of the nomcom appointee
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (21:38) I think a session or sessions is defintely needed for the ATLAS II Improvements
Holly Raiche: (21:39) @ Leon/Gisellaa maybe add time for the ALAC Review
Heidi Ullrich: (21:40) New Meeting Strategy: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+New+ICANN+Meetings+Strategy+Workspace
Heidi Ullrich: (21:43) We now have draft schedules from the GNSO and SSAC.
Heidi Ullrich: (21:45) Point taken, Alan and Beran. However, the B Meetings will now include public sessions outside of AC/SO meetings.
Holly Raiche: (21:46) The whole point of the B meeting was to get out of the inter-community meetings
Daniel Nanghaka: (21:46) Universities institutions are key players for outreach
Vanda: (21:47) agree. - inside LACRALO startegy we area focusing on universities as a new program to attract qualified people ..
Vanda: (21:48) sorry not LACRALO startegy - LAC strategy...
Heidi Ullrich: (21:48) Sorry, I meant "will NOT include public sessions outside of AC/SO meetings"!
Daniel Nanghaka: (21:48) There has not been a strong penetration to Universities
Garth Bruen: (21:48) WOOHOO
judith hellerstein: (21:48) What does that mean?
siranush vardanyan: (21:48) wohooo, congrats
John Laprise: (21:48) +1 Daniel
Alan Greenberg: (21:49) ICANN has the most inventive tstaff titles
judith hellerstein: (21:49) Do we lose her
Vanda: (21:49) congratulations!!!
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (21:49) Bravo!
judith hellerstein: (21:49) Congrats to all
Holly Raiche: (21:49) Congratulations to all
Allan Skuce: (21:49) Yeah staff!
judith hellerstein: (21:50) I am confused about this
siranush vardanyan: (21:50) Alan, Maureen raised her hand relqted CROPP issue, please give her the floor ;)
Gisella Gruber: (21:50) Thank you all
John Laprise: (21:51) sorry
Ariel Liang: (21:51) Thank you all :)
John Laprise: (21:51) I'm good
siranush vardanyan: (21:51) Alan, you missed Maureen's hand
Alan Greenberg: (21:52) Maureen, on which subject?
siranush vardanyan: (21:52) on cropp
judith hellerstein: (21:53) Yes and what about Guam and the marshall Islands which are part of NARALO but logically they should be part of APRALO
Garth Bruen: (21:54) But not Pago-Pago, Pilau according to the AP rep
Glenn McKnight: (21:54) If the West Indies ALS move to NARALO they lose the opportunity to benefit from the Fellowship program. Naralo gets no befneft from the Fellowship. As Judith states the US territories in the South Pacificic naturaally should be in APRALO
Leon Sanchez: (21:55) Can we put the link to the report or enable scroll please?
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (21:55) https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/geo-regions-final-report-22jun13-en.pdf
judith hellerstein: (21:55) Why should they lose their ability for fellowship. they are still from developing countries
Vanda: (21:55) @glenn, this is relevant for the countries to think about.
Leon Sanchez: (21:55) Thanks Dev!
Holly Raiche: (21:55) Folks - I have a hard stop at 0700
Ariel Liang: (21:55) Unsynced. You may scroll the report
judith hellerstein: (21:56) We have no ALSes in Guam, Marshall Islands so they can not ask to be in APRALO
siranush vardanyan: (21:56) can u send the report to us by e- mail? thanks in advance
judith hellerstein: (21:57) but I think they should be moved to APRALO who then could be outreach to them
siranush vardanyan: (21:57) thanks
Ariel Liang: (21:57) @Siranush - noted. will do
Holly Raiche: (21:57) Really have to go - Bye all
judith hellerstein: (21:57) bye Holly
Vanda: (21:57) by holly nice day!
Alan Greenberg: (21:57) @Glenn, I beleive that Fellowship eligibility is based on the country, not region.
Heidi Ullrich: (21:57) Bye, Holly
siranush vardanyan: (21:57) by Holly
judith hellerstein: (21:57) Thanks @alan
Leon Sanchez: (21:58) I too have a hard stop at the top of the hour
Leon Sanchez: (21:58) I will be leaving in 2 mins
Leon Sanchez: (21:58) I apologize for not being able to make it till the end
Garth Bruen: (21:58) Ok
Garth Bruen: (21:59) I will post the link again: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/Transparency+and+Accountability+in+the+ICANN+Structure
Leon Sanchez: (21:59) Thanks everyone, I have to leave
Garth Bruen: (21:59) IF staff could place it in the notes, I will also place it in the comments section for the meeting agenda
Leon Sanchez: (21:59) bye
Vanda: (21:59) nice night Loen..
judith hellerstein: (21:59) Bye allan
siranush vardanyan: (22:00) but our strategy was posted few weeks ago
Vernatius EZEAMA: (22:00) Bye allan
judith hellerstein: (22:00) @maureen the problem is that the new rules mandate that we have an adoped strategy and APRALO's strategy is still a draft and has not been voted on
judith hellerstein: (22:01) I believe as Dev has explained it to me that the strategy needs to be approved by the new outreach and engagement committee which has not met yet
Vanda: (22:01) should remain with legal group I beleive..
siranush vardanyan: (22:01) wyen the voting is planned? the committe should consider doing this on time and the reagions shoul not suffer by the committee not doing it
Garth Bruen: (22:02) @Alan but the BUDGET makes is CLEAR
Allan Skuce: (22:02) Thanks, Bye.
Garth Bruen: (22:02) The Budget shows complaince with GDD
Vanda: (22:02) thank you Allan, very ineresting meeting.
judith hellerstein: (22:02) bye all
Ariel Liang: (22:02) thanks all bye
Vanda: (22:02) bye to all
siranush vardanyan: (22:02) bye all
Fatima Cambronero: (22:02) thanks all! bye
Ali AlMeshal: (22:02) bye
Daniel Nanghaka: (22:02) bye all
Alberto Soto: (22:02) Thanks!! Bye all!!
Ron Sherwood: (22:02) Bye all
Vernatius EZEAMA: (22:02) Bye all
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (22:03) Hello Siranush, unfortunately, also working against us was the reconstitution of the Outreach and Engagement SC - when attempting to try to do it with the existing Outreach, it was pointed out that the O and E SC needed to be reconstituted
Oksana Prykhodko: (22:03) bye all
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (22:03) Bye all
Garth Bruen: (22:03) exhunt
Garth Bruen: (22:04) "exeunt"
Juan Manuel Rojas: (22:04) bye all
Maureen Hilyard: (22:04) Vale Garth
Gisella Gruber: (18:56) Agenda: https://community.icann.org/x/R600Aw
Maureen Hilyard: (19:53) Hi all
Holly Raiche: (19:53) Hi Gisella - someone is calling me, but it rings only once and noone is there!
Holly Raiche: (19:54) Morning all
Juan Manuel Rojas: (19:54) Thank you! Hi everyone
Holly Raiche: (19:55) This time it rang twice - and noone is there!
CLO: (19:55) hi all
siranush vardanyan: (19:56) hlgood evening, everyone
Maureen Hilyard: (19:56) Dream on Alan :)
Ali AlMeshal: (19:57) hello everyone
siranush vardanyan: (19:57) leavimg tomorrow, dears;)
siranush vardanyan: (19:57) leaving
siranush vardanyan: (19:58) :))
Fatima Cambronero: (19:59) hello everyone
Allan Skuce: (19:59) Greetings.
Oksana Prykhodko: (20:00) hello erveryone
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (20:00) Hello everyone
Judith Hellerstein: (20:00) Hi All
Garth Bruen: (20:00) Hello
Vanda: (20:01) hy everyone
Eve Edelson: (20:01) hello I'm here, just listening for now
Garth Bruen: (20:02) I know many of you have already commented on the issues I sent to the list, summarized here: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/Transparency+and+Accountability+in+the+ICANN+Structure
Garth Bruen: (20:02) As requested I am drafting language for Leon.
Garth Bruen: (20:03) Vilkomen Lutz
Holly Raiche: (20:03) @ Garth - great. It's an important issue
Garth Bruen: (20:03) "Wilkomen"
Glenn McKnight: (20:03) @Eve can you contact me after the call- Glenn re: ISOC Funding
Judith Hellerstein: (20:03) @gisela Beran said her call dropped so she needs another dial out
Eve Edelson: (20:04) @Glenn will do
Garth Bruen: (20:04) Thanks Holly. Sorry I missed you the other week.
Holly Raiche: (20:05) And sorry I missed all four of you - but the place was packed with rellies (that's Oz for relatives)
Glenn McKnight: (20:05) North America-Glenn
siranush vardanyan: (20:06) just wanted to thank staff for the support for getting docs for visa application process to be started now. visa for Dublin i mean
CLO: (20:07) excellent attendance :-) :-) :-)
John Laprise: (20:07) Thank Twitter for my presence... :)
Leon Sanchez: (20:07) Did you say my name Gisella?
Garth Bruen: (20:07) @Holly, we were in NYC. Empire State Building, Brooklyn Bridge, the whole gamut
Holly Raiche: (20:08) @ Garth - what a great trip!
Garth Bruen: (20:09) Yes, we don't have to do anything else with the kids all summer
CLO: (20:09) :-) :-) :-)
Gisella Gruber: (20:09) Glenn - you have been noted on attendance
Glenn McKnight: (20:09) @gisella correct
Heidi Ullrich: (20:09) Welcome to all the new ALS representatives who are joining their first ALAC call :)
Holly Raiche: (20:09) Dev wanted to add an item
CW: (20:10) Have we started? there is no sound
Heidi Ullrich: (20:10) @Holly, it has been added. Item 14
Holly Raiche: (20:10) Tks
Ariel Liang: (20:10) Policy Development workspace: https://community.icann.org/x/bwFO
Judith Hellerstein: (20:10) @staff can we have scrolling privileges for the agenda
Garth Bruen: (20:11) Too loud here to take off mute for too long. Contractors have ripped out the side of our house, ice damage from last winter.
Ariel Liang: (20:11) https://community.icann.org/x/35U0Aw
Judith Hellerstein: (20:13) Scrolling privileges on the agenda please
Gisella Gruber: (20:13) @ Judith - all good now?
Ariel Liang: (20:13) https://community.icann.org/x/c4hCAw
Judith Hellerstein: (20:14) yes. Thanks
Ariel Liang: (20:14) https://community.icann.org/x/1IJCAw
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (20:15) :-)
Ariel Liang: (20:16) discussion paper on improving policy advice development process: https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/53783879/For%20Discussion%20-%2028Jul2015.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1438104819924&api=v2
Holly Raiche: (20:16) Ariel - I think Alan wants the document in the window
Ariel Liang: (20:17) we will get it uploaded shortly
CLO: (20:19) reminder to staff that some of bus can not use links from Abobe rooms ... so for me please also Skype them at some point
Heidi Ullrich: (20:19) These are topics that might be covered in the ALAC development sesison in Dublin
Holly Raiche: (20:20) Wheere will this document beposted?
Ariel Liang: (20:21) The doc is posted on the agenda page here: https://community.icann.org/x/R600Aw
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (20:21) At-Large Improvements : https://community.icann.org/display/Improve/ALAC+At-Large+Policy+Advice+Development+%28PAD%29+Process+Workspace
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (20:22) +1 for the Webinars!
Glenn McKnight: (20:22) Curous what the attendance is like for webinars ?
Holly Raiche: (20:23) @ Glenn- good point, but I would hope it would be good
Glenn McKnight: (20:24) @Judith what did Mark Urban say about accessibiity of some webinar tootls I think he was critical of Webex and Adobe connect on mobile
Holly Raiche: (20:24) @ Alan/Gisella - maybe look at that paper in the ALT meeting?
Glenn McKnight: (20:24) We need to make sure that the audio quality is really good and the interaction on the webinar for mobile users is properly done or it's a waste of time
CLO: (20:25) you are not alone Dev :-)
Holly Raiche: (20:26) OLC - your voice is VERY soft
Heidi Ullrich: (20:27) Hi All, please note that the Capacity Building WG will be working with Dev, as Chair of the SubCommitttee on Outreach and Engagement, organizers of regional capicity building webinars , and GSE staff to coordinate on the next series of capacity building webinars. The ALAC policy making process may be a good topic.
Judith Hellerstein: (20:28) @glenn Mark Urban said webex was poor and adobe connect on PC/MAC is excellent and very accessible but Adobe Connect in IOS and android had problems because of flash
Glenn McKnight: (20:28) @ Jusdith my point is that we need to make sure the tool works in all formats
Gisella Gruber: (20:28) @ Eve - please check your private chat
Judith Hellerstein: (20:28) but audio is fine and we could use a work around for putting up the slides by uploading them to a server and then pasting the link in one of the pods or chat
Judith Hellerstein: (20:29) when adobe implements html5 it all should work well
Glenn McKnight: (20:29) Good poiint Judith
Vanda: (20:29) @glenn = +1
Leon Sanchez: (20:29) Welcome to our side of the world Heidi!
Eve Edelson: (20:29) @ Gisela I see your chat, is there a separate chat?
Eve Edelson: (20:30) @ Gisella I mean
CW: (20:30) Leaving the call. Can't follow from here. CW
Gisella Gruber: (20:30) @ Eve - bottom of your screen.
Gisella Gruber: (20:30) @ CW - what is your issue? You are on the audio bridge I believe
Judith Hellerstein: (20:30) Good We have a bunch of feedback and they were totally confused about everything so could you send out the info again to the list and I can send it on the naralo list
Holly Raiche: (20:31) Welcome Milo
Gisella Gruber: (20:31) @ Milo - I sent you a private message. If you would like to follow in French, we can dial-out to you
Vanda: (20:31) gracias Alberto por levantar esto punto por Haiti
Fatima Cambronero: (20:31) Welcome Milo!
Glenn McKnight: (20:31) @ Akberto we have done work with IEEE and Engineers without Borders in Haiti
Maureen Hilyard: (20:31) Nice one, Alberto
Judith Hellerstein: (20:32) @dev do you have any update on the work on the confluence wiki
Glenn McKnight: (20:33) @Dev any update Dev on the LACRALO Mailing list
Heidi Ullrich: (20:33) @APRALO, the dued diligence for the application from Sri Lanka will be sent to you next week. We will ask for your regional advice.
Garth Bruen: (20:33) Leon, I sent the proporsed language. Gracias
siranush vardanyan: (20:33) question for Dev: i know we will come to cropp stuff, as i am via phone and typing takes time, please consider this question to be answered when time comes. the question: what is the reason that the cropp request submitted from our region more than two weeks ago is still not approved or rejected? it would be not fair towards people who put a lot of efforts for submitting on time with all initial approvals to dissaprove our request because of timing limits of cropp. we hope for quicker response from the committee.
CLO: (20:33) yeYes WP1 is going on several off us are "missing it"
Alberto Soto: (20:33) @Glenn , Thanks, I hope to have more news about it!!!
Heidi Ullrich: (20:33) We have received the outreach strategy from NARALO.
CLO: (20:34) and APRALO
Heidi Ullrich: (20:34) Noted, Cheryl
siranush vardanyan: (20:34) @Heidi: noted for the new als info
Gisella Gruber: (20:34) Tijani has joined the audio bridge - not able to join the Adobe Connect
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (20:35) Outreach and Engagement SC Report : https://community.icann.org/x/gzWfAg
siranush vardanyan: (20:35) apralo's strategy was submitted quite a long time already
Ariel Liang: (20:35) To see the reports from WGs, RALOs, Liaisons: https://community.icann.org/x/XwCB
siranush vardanyan: (20:35) i do
Eve Edelson: (20:35) new to this, will try to keep up with readings!
Glenn McKnight: (20:35) Not all
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (20:36) bookmarked
Garth Bruen: (20:36) Alan, good question. Where? How? NOT CENTRALIZED OR SUMMARIZED!!!!
Holly Raiche: (20:36) I thought the new website space would solve that!
Judith Hellerstein: (20:36) @siranoush before CROPP funding cna be approved your strategy needs to be approved first. without this your cropp application can not go forward
Maureen Hilyard: (20:36) That would be really helpful, Alan - putting reports in one space
Glenn McKnight: (20:36) Routine routines that I read are bookmarked for monthly reports etc
Judith Hellerstein: (20:36) @leah welcome
Heidi Ullrich: (20:36) Is that an AI, Alan?
Allan Skuce: (20:37) Standardization.
Judith Hellerstein: (20:37) The tech task force actually does stuff. We review many different apps and work on many issues
siranush vardanyan: (20:37) Judith, knowing that we submitted strategy before the cropp request with approval from vps as well
Holly Raiche: (20:38) Please - make them easier to find!
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (20:38) As someone who has to prepare multiple WG reports, I would be interested in feedback
Garth Bruen: (20:38) OR easier to submit....
Judith Hellerstein: (20:38) but not sure that the strategy was approved yet. I think we are behind in the aspect
Heidi Ullrich: (20:38) We can post them on the ALAC portal : https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=2265510
Garth Bruen: (20:39) And submitted in a way that tags them for keywords etc.
Judith Hellerstein: (20:39) Also the outreach and engagement team is being reconstituted and they have to approve these plans
Heidi Ullrich: (20:39) or create a link in the Gateway box at the top of the ALAC portal
Judith Hellerstein: (20:39) @dev is that correct?
siranush vardanyan: (20:39) but it should not be reflected on the regions, Judith
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (20:39) there should be a "like" or "no like" button on the reports
Holly Raiche: (20:39) @ Heidi - yes please
Glenn McKnight: (20:39) This is why we proposed a revised template for the RALO reports with metrics
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (20:40) @judith - correct
Holly Raiche: (20:40) It will be looked at in the ALAC Review!
Glenn McKnight: (20:40) It's not uncommon to add voting, metatags etc into reports
Garth Bruen: (20:40) @OCL: Not like, but "useful" "clear" etc.
Vanda: (20:40) I believe reports could be more under clear templates to make it easy to understandable for outsides. I have submitted to some friends interested in entering ICANN and I needed to "translate"the main meaning to them and why it is important
Glenn McKnight: (20:40) Wow, the daily reports at BA was largely ignored
Garth Bruen: (20:41) I think Glenn, Dev and myself were the only ones who posted them
Judith Hellerstein: (20:41) @dev any update on whether we can traspose the output from the form to the confluence wiki
Holly Raiche: (20:41) One of he problems with BA report is they should include more than the fact that someone attended!
Fatima Cambronero: (20:41) @Glenn, the pictures are not ignored
Glenn McKnight: (20:41) Dev did a wonderful report
Holly Raiche: (20:42) Pics are fine - but they do not set out what happened!
CLO: (20:42) agree with you Dev
Fatima Cambronero: (20:42) agree Holly
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (20:43) The ICANN53 meeting reports page : https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+ICANN+53+Meeting+Reports+Workspace
Garth Bruen: (20:43) Question: WHO are we trying to please by writing reports? Some alleged annoymous critics? Or should they actually be USEABLE by AL?
Garth Bruen: (20:44) If they are intended to be usable by AL, the strucutre does not work
Judith Hellerstein: (20:44) +1 Dev
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (20:44) @Garth - We're trying to please At-Large
Holly Raiche: (20:44) @ Garth - I think it is more important to report on meetings that everyone else did NOT attend
Glenn McKnight: (20:45) @Dev I tried to stress the value of the Tech Task force ATLAS 2 recommendations
Vanda: (20:45) @ garth they need to be also useful for someone from outside that can understand what is relevant about it. .
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (20:45) Thanks Glenn
Glenn McKnight: (20:45) @ Hi John
Glenn McKnight: (20:45) @ Your welcome Dev
Judith Hellerstein: (20:45) no @garth I posted daily reports as well
Garth Bruen: (20:45) @Holly, then the reports should be loaded into the schedule format. Someone can look at the schedule and find the reporting.
siranush vardanyan: (20:45) i don' t think that daily reports from the meetings itself are not useful in the sense that many are only stucked with alac works and just kentioning " i was here or there" does not make sense for me
Garth Bruen: (20:45) Sorry Judith, yes
Holly Raiche: (20:46) Again - they should be easier to find
Judith Hellerstein: (20:46) @gisella @heidi @ariel beran got dropped . Can you redial her
Garth Bruen: (20:46) The schedule shows us what is going to happen - it should be followed by what we did or saw happen
Heidi Ullrich: (20:47) Beran is back
Gisella Gruber: (20:47) @ Hudith - we are redialling Beran
Gisella Gruber: (20:47) Beran is back on
Judith Hellerstein: (20:48) Thanks
John Laprise: (20:49) In loud environment so speaking is problematic: Meta-Question: The .Africa report noted but did not investigate ICANN potentially failing to follow its own policy (it invalidated the decision on the GAC grounds). Why should we expect ICANN to follow the policy developed through the hard work of the CCWG?
Holly Raiche: (20:51) @ John - the .africa issue was the subject of a BBC report today - not pretty (they quoted an ICANN statement)
John Laprise: (20:51) I heard.
CLO: (20:51) kinda busy yes
John Laprise: (20:52) please read
Garth Bruen: (20:52) Amen John
John Laprise: (20:53) public process audits?
John Laprise: (20:53) It's hard to critique what we don't know.
Leon Sanchez: (20:53) We are designing different mechanisms to address that John
Vanda: (20:54) reconsideration process some times are attacehd to california law and sometimes it conclicts with rules. we are using...
John Laprise: (20:54) My concern is that the .africa situation only came to a head through the concerted action of an involved actor. over much time
Garth Bruen: (20:57) @John, the engery required to get serious issues addressed is too much for most
Vanda: (20:57) @alan. lots of issues to be duscussed under this question and the meaning of accountability...
John Laprise: (20:57) @Garth Agreed resources req'd for redress
Vanda: (20:58) agree with Olivier...
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (20:59) We trust strangers. I'd rather trust my peers than people I do not know at all.
John Laprise: (20:59) Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Those Romans...
Vanda: (20:59) agree again olivier... lots of issues shaould be debated under ALAC
Holly Raiche: (21:00) @ John - so very true a question - maybe ask Brutus
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (21:01) Advisory Committees, by the fact tht they are more independent, should have aLL the say and the SOs should have less influence as they are conflicted.
Garth Bruen: (21:01) facinus quos inquinat aequat?
Holly Raiche: (21:04) @ ocl - And have you told MM that they should have less influence?
CLO: (21:07) I do hope the calls as weekly will be 60 mins though
Holly Raiche: (21:08) @ CLO - absolutely agree
Vanda: (21:08) @alan, i bleieve we need really to do a lot of work on this
judith hellerstein: (21:09) @leah @eve have you taken the webinars mentioned earlier in this session about introducing At large to new ALSes. I think they are called onbarding
Alan Greenberg: (21:09) @CLO 60 vs 45 or 60 vs 90
judith hellerstein: (21:09) sorry on boarding
Glenn McKnight: (21:10) @Heidi, Eduardo and I already discussed the ALAC spot from NARALO and I volunteered as the NARALO ALAC person
CLO: (21:10) 45 to 60 please. not 60 v 90
Vanda: (21:11) I@clo agrre
siranush vardanyan: (21:12) and we have maureen as alac mekber and myself and cheryl as ralo reps - this will be from apralo
Eve Edelson: (21:12) @ judith I have not, would like to, via here ? --> https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/New+ALS+Welcome+Webinars
Alan Greenberg: (21:12) CLO, that sounded like a threat, not a hint!
siranush vardanyan: (21:12) Cheryl , your name is already in;)
judith hellerstein: (21:13) @heidi @Gisella @ariel can you post the link to the onboarding webinars again. Thansk
judith hellerstein: (21:14) Eve has asked that question
Gisella Gruber: (21:15) Welcome to Vernatius Ezeama, Our Rights, AFRALO
Ariel Liang: (21:15) @Eve that's the correct link
Ariel Liang: (21:16) You can listen to the recordings and review the transcripts of the first 'informal' onboarding webinar (held on Jul 16) here: https://community.icann.org/x/FYRCAw
Glenn McKnight: (21:18) We need to make sure that existing ALS pick up their game and met the same scrutiny as the new ALS, ie. Website link, alternate reps.
Eve Edelson: (21:18) @ Ariel thank you
Oksana Prykhodko: (21:18) Any criteria for RALO, especially for RALO Bylaws?
Ariel Liang: (21:18) @Eve no problem
Fatima Cambronero: (21:19) agree with @Alberto
Vernatius EZEAMA: (21:20) Thanks Gisella Gruber
siranush vardanyan: (21:23) @Heidi: shoul we send additional e-mail to you with the names or it is enough we posted here?
judith hellerstein: (21:24) I think Satish volunteered
Ariel Liang: (21:24) announcement about the solicitation of ICANN WG to Review the IDN Implementation Guidelines: https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2015-07-20-en
Vanda: (21:24) @ with alberto too.
Holly Raiche: (21:24) A Ariel - could we have the agendaa on the screen? Thanks
siranush vardanyan: (21:24) yes, Satish already volunteered for this
judith hellerstein: (21:25) Why is Satish not a good candidate
CLO: (21:26) he may not have put in a "cv" for it (yet)
Heidi Ullrich: (21:27) LET Workshop: https://community.icann.org/display/LTP/Leadership+Training+Program+Home
Heidi Ullrich: (21:27) LTP Workspace!
Glenn McKnight: (21:28) No objection
judith hellerstein: (21:28) I will email him and see if he is still interested
siranush vardanyan: (21:28) Judith, he is interested and i will ask him to dubmit his state il
Vanda: (21:29) no objection of course
CLO: (21:29) Judith perhaps that should be left to Siranush or anothe r AP Leader
siranush vardanyan: (21:29) stayemen of interest
Leon Sanchez: (21:29) +1000 CLO
CLO: (21:29) we all know how active he is in the IDN WH
Vanda: (21:29) LAC RALO has a newone coming and depending on the country..may ahve similar issue
siranush vardanyan: (21:29) sorry for typos. i will ask Satish to submit his SI
judith hellerstein: (21:30) thanks Siranush
CLO: (21:30) Most appropriate that YOU do Siranush
siranush vardanyan: (21:31) yes, I also think so as we have already with Satish on this as well
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (21:31) :-p
Heidi Ullrich: (21:31) We have
Vanda: (21:32) I can pput my name to this region for item 11 as well if it has agreemnt on it from my region + the newcomer from nomcom may be...
Heidi Ullrich: (21:32) 81 days to ICANN 54 in Dubline
Heidi Ullrich: (21:32) Dublin
Heidi Ullrich: (21:34) EURALO GA - 2 90 min sessions on Wed with a Networking session in the evening.
Heidi Ullrich: (21:35) Please do let staff know which presentations you found most useful.
Leon Sanchez: (21:35) I could also put my name for the Leadership training if feasible
Heidi Ullrich: (21:35) This will provide us direction in how to schedule the meetings.
Vanda: (21:35) leon. ok you you have time is ok for me
Heidi Ullrich: (21:35) @Leon, your hand in or your hand up (graduate)?
Leon Sanchez: (21:36) Thanks Vanda!
Gisella Gruber: (21:37) Holly - please speak up
siranush vardanyan: (21:37) Maureen is named for oeadership training as apralo priority. but we also need to wait for the name of the nomcom appointee
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (21:38) I think a session or sessions is defintely needed for the ATLAS II Improvements
Holly Raiche: (21:39) @ Leon/Gisellaa maybe add time for the ALAC Review
Heidi Ullrich: (21:40) New Meeting Strategy: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+New+ICANN+Meetings+Strategy+Workspace
Heidi Ullrich: (21:43) We now have draft schedules from the GNSO and SSAC.
Heidi Ullrich: (21:45) Point taken, Alan and Beran. However, the B Meetings will now include public sessions outside of AC/SO meetings.
Holly Raiche: (21:46) The whole point of the B meeting was to get out of the inter-community meetings
Daniel Nanghaka: (21:46) Universities institutions are key players for outreach
Vanda: (21:47) agree. - inside LACRALO startegy we area focusing on universities as a new program to attract qualified people ..
Vanda: (21:48) sorry not LACRALO startegy - LAC strategy...
Heidi Ullrich: (21:48) Sorry, I meant "will NOT include public sessions outside of AC/SO meetings"!
Daniel Nanghaka: (21:48) There has not been a strong penetration to Universities
Garth Bruen: (21:48) WOOHOO
judith hellerstein: (21:48) What does that mean?
siranush vardanyan: (21:48) wohooo, congrats
John Laprise: (21:48) +1 Daniel
Alan Greenberg: (21:49) ICANN has the most inventive tstaff titles
judith hellerstein: (21:49) Do we lose her
Vanda: (21:49) congratulations!!!
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (21:49) Bravo!
judith hellerstein: (21:49) Congrats to all
Holly Raiche: (21:49) Congratulations to all
Allan Skuce: (21:49) Yeah staff!
judith hellerstein: (21:50) I am confused about this
siranush vardanyan: (21:50) Alan, Maureen raised her hand relqted CROPP issue, please give her the floor ;)
Gisella Gruber: (21:50) Thank you all
John Laprise: (21:51) sorry
Ariel Liang: (21:51) Thank you all :)
John Laprise: (21:51) I'm good
siranush vardanyan: (21:51) Alan, you missed Maureen's hand
Alan Greenberg: (21:52) Maureen, on which subject?
siranush vardanyan: (21:52) on cropp
judith hellerstein: (21:53) Yes and what about Guam and the marshall Islands which are part of NARALO but logically they should be part of APRALO
Garth Bruen: (21:54) But not Pago-Pago, Pilau according to the AP rep
Glenn McKnight: (21:54) If the West Indies ALS move to NARALO they lose the opportunity to benefit from the Fellowship program. Naralo gets no befneft from the Fellowship. As Judith states the US territories in the South Pacificic naturaally should be in APRALO
Leon Sanchez: (21:55) Can we put the link to the report or enable scroll please?
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (21:55) https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/geo-regions-final-report-22jun13-en.pdf
judith hellerstein: (21:55) Why should they lose their ability for fellowship. they are still from developing countries
Vanda: (21:55) @glenn, this is relevant for the countries to think about.
Leon Sanchez: (21:55) Thanks Dev!
Holly Raiche: (21:55) Folks - I have a hard stop at 0700
Ariel Liang: (21:55) Unsynced. You may scroll the report
judith hellerstein: (21:56) We have no ALSes in Guam, Marshall Islands so they can not ask to be in APRALO
siranush vardanyan: (21:56) can u send the report to us by e- mail? thanks in advance
judith hellerstein: (21:57) but I think they should be moved to APRALO who then could be outreach to them
siranush vardanyan: (21:57) thanks
Ariel Liang: (21:57) @Siranush - noted. will do
Holly Raiche: (21:57) Really have to go - Bye all
judith hellerstein: (21:57) bye Holly
Vanda: (21:57) by holly nice day!
Alan Greenberg: (21:57) @Glenn, I beleive that Fellowship eligibility is based on the country, not region.
Heidi Ullrich: (21:57) Bye, Holly
siranush vardanyan: (21:57) by Holly
judith hellerstein: (21:57) Thanks @alan
Leon Sanchez: (21:58) I too have a hard stop at the top of the hour
Leon Sanchez: (21:58) I will be leaving in 2 mins
Leon Sanchez: (21:58) I apologize for not being able to make it till the end
Garth Bruen: (21:58) Ok
Garth Bruen: (21:59) I will post the link again: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/Transparency+and+Accountability+in+the+ICANN+Structure
Leon Sanchez: (21:59) Thanks everyone, I have to leave
Garth Bruen: (21:59) IF staff could place it in the notes, I will also place it in the comments section for the meeting agenda
Leon Sanchez: (21:59) bye
Vanda: (21:59) nice night Loen..
judith hellerstein: (21:59) Bye allan
siranush vardanyan: (22:00) but our strategy was posted few weeks ago
Vernatius EZEAMA: (22:00) Bye allan
judith hellerstein: (22:00) @maureen the problem is that the new rules mandate that we have an adoped strategy and APRALO's strategy is still a draft and has not been voted on
judith hellerstein: (22:01) I believe as Dev has explained it to me that the strategy needs to be approved by the new outreach and engagement committee which has not met yet
Vanda: (22:01) should remain with legal group I beleive..
siranush vardanyan: (22:01) wyen the voting is planned? the committe should consider doing this on time and the reagions shoul not suffer by the committee not doing it
Garth Bruen: (22:02) @Alan but the BUDGET makes is CLEAR
Allan Skuce: (22:02) Thanks, Bye.
Garth Bruen: (22:02) The Budget shows complaince with GDD
Vanda: (22:02) thank you Allan, very ineresting meeting.
judith hellerstein: (22:02) bye all
Ariel Liang: (22:02) thanks all bye
Vanda: (22:02) bye to all
siranush vardanyan: (22:02) bye all
Fatima Cambronero: (22:02) thanks all! bye
Ali AlMeshal: (22:02) bye
Daniel Nanghaka: (22:02) bye all
Alberto Soto: (22:02) Thanks!! Bye all!!
Ron Sherwood: (22:02) Bye all
Vernatius EZEAMA: (22:02) Bye all
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (22:03) Hello Siranush, unfortunately, also working against us was the reconstitution of the Outreach and Engagement SC - when attempting to try to do it with the existing Outreach, it was pointed out that the O and E SC needed to be reconstituted
Oksana Prykhodko: (22:03) bye all
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (22:03) Bye all
Garth Bruen: (22:03) exhunt
Garth Bruen: (22:04) "exeunt"
Juan Manuel Rojas: (22:04) bye all
Maureen Hilyard: (22:04) Vale Garth
